The Loose Change Forum values expert opinions so much....

[chippy]

....that they apparently ban anyone who actually claims to be an expert.

Here's the deal. A guy recently came to the Loose Change Forum claiming to be a pilot, and considering that he knew tons about airplanes and posted pictures taken by himself while flying, I found no reason not to believe him. One of the administrators immediately started questioning him and later posted a disclaimer on one of the pilot's main threads that this guy MAY NOT ACTUALLY BE A PILOT, even though he had clearly demonstrated thorough knowledge of airplanes and piloting.

Now, I had earlier brought up the fact that I am a senior at the University of Minnesota majoring in Mechanical Engineering, and I offered my input wherever it was needed. When I brought it up, nobody questioned my credentials. So, seeing this thread where a guy claimed to be a pilot and was immediately questioned about his credentials, I brought up the fact that when I said I knew a lot about mechanical engineering, nobody questioned me about it.

The result? I've been banned from the Loose Change Forum. I have also found that all of the pilot's threads have been deleted, and the pilot may also have been banned.

So what does that leave the Loose Change Forum with? 15 year olds who debunk thorough analyses with a single sentence that sort of calls a small portion of the analysis into question? Yes Pdoherty, I'm talking to you.

 

[gumboot]

....that they apparently ban anyone who actually claims to be an expert.

Welcome to the forums Chippy. Although you may find the discussion sometimes rather vigorous here, as long as you follow the membership guidelines you will not be banned.

-Gumboot

 

[Foolmewunz]

Welcome, Chippy.
We get many of our best anti-CT folks through the purges at LC. (We also got John DoeX and his various socks, and PDoherty about nine different times, but ah, well...., they at least inspire more and more people to look harder and dig deeper.)

It seems from the holiday threads that they've decided to take off the neutrality mask and go back to banning anyone who doesn't agree with Dylan.

 

[W6102LA]

Did they give you a chance to prove who you were ?

ETA: I know the thread you are referring to about the pilot, the last i heard was they referred the matter of identity to Avery and the next day the thread was gone altogether

 

[uk_dave]

Welcome chippy

I've seen some of your posts over at woowooland and admire your tenacity and perseverence in dealing with the kids.

 

[maccy]

Welcome Chippy,

From a thread worrying about the low numbers on the LC Forum:

Ahem.

I am concerned, and we're doing our best to get the numbers back.

People with agendas were compromising the old forum, and it needed a serious re-structuring. Forums were all over the place, people were being banned for completely innocent posts, it was out of control. Period.

The mods got pissed at me and that's their right, just like it's their right to leave, or stay. We also decided with the new forum to give "skeptics" a chance, and, well, they're just doing the same thing over and over again and expecting different results. Russell personally went into JREF to reason with them, and even he got frustrated.

We're doing our best here.

http://z10.invisionfree.com/Loose_Change_Forum/index.php?showtopic=1136&view=findpost&p=9536592

Interesting...

 

[Falcon Apoda]

....So, seeing this thread where a guy claimed to be a pilot and was immediately questioned about his credentials, I brought up the fact that when I said I knew a lot about mechanical engineering, nobody questioned me about it.

The result? I've been banned from the Loose Change Forum. I have also found that all of the pilot's threads have been deleted, and the pilot may also have been banned.

I know the thread of which you speak. My input therein led to my banishment as well (under the handle, "gelignite"). On subsequent thread which inquired as to the whereabouts of the deleted pilot's thread, I pointed out to IVXX that he had previously said they would "have to" suspend the guy's account because they were concerned about the spread of "misinformation" (at the time, he was insisting that the pilot's account was not under suspension, which, of course, was in contradiction to his earlier declaration).

Anyway, and with regard to "misinformation", I once again mentioned Korey Rowe's comments to the effect that LC was intentionally laced with factual errors.

Instant banning from the forum. And the entire thread was deleted.


Yup. It's the old LC forum we've come to know and love. I've noticed that a handful of "skeptics" have been given the boot in recent days... for no apparent reason whatsoever. And I'm beginning to think that the purpose for the creation of their "Skeptics" forum was to ferret them out for eventual removal.

 

[Oliver]

The result? I've been banned from the Loose Change Forum. I have also found that all of the pilot's threads have been deleted, and the pilot may also have been banned.

So what does that leave the Loose Change Forum with? 15 year olds who debunk thorough analyses with a single sentence that sort of calls a small portion of the analysis into question? Yes Pdoherty, I'm talking to you.

Welcome on board, Chippy. Who were you over there if i
may ask? Dylan is a loser - this is what i think about all the
bannings of people who have other opinions.

They are doing the same things that they hate so much -
cutting freedoms. These guys should work for the Patriot Act 3,
killing everybody who disagrees...

Maybe the pilot will show up in here after his banning. I keep
my eyes open for him...

 

[Obviousman]

The pilot wasn't Bill, was it?

 

[W6102LA]

The pilot wasn't Bill, was it?

It was something like AMGPilot IIRC, someone else might remember the exact username, it appears to be completly removed from LC forum

 

[LordoftheLeftHand]

I got banned for just posting some data about the melting point of metals. As real experts you didn't have a chance over there.

LLH

 

[jon]

From the same thread:

At another forum a "sceptic" is slurring you [Dylan] with the lie that you made Loose Change for the money and quotes the price of the dvd as proof that you are making personal profits. I know that you do not gain personally but would appreciate confirmation that you turned down large sums of money for LC and if you are able to reply I would like to post your reply to this person to see his response. Thanks

Blackcat

This might be interesting to push Presumably by not formally making Louder Than Words a not-for-profit organisation (I can't remember the 'proper' name for the things in the US) they avoid a lot of regulation of how they use their funds...I've still got memories of working for a UK non-profit and keeping the receipts when buying the office milk, to be sure that the books balanced...

If Dylan really isn't making money from LC, then surely he should sell his stuff through a non-for-profit entity, just to avoid any suspicion. After all, there's been a lot of crap sold, and I'd wonder where all that money's gone. I'm just asking questions...

 

[Foolmewunz]

From the same thread:



This might be interesting to push Presumably by not formally making Louder Than Words a not-for-profit organisation (I can't remember the 'proper' name for the things in the US) they avoid a lot of regulation of how they use their funds...I've still got memories of working for a UK non-profit and keeping the receipts when buying the office milk, to be sure that the books balanced...

If Dylan really isn't making money from LC, then surely he should sell his stuff through a non-for-profit entity, just to avoid any suspicion. After all, there's been a lot of crap sold, and I'd wonder where all that money's gone. I'm just asking questions...

You'll be pre-banned from LC for even raising that question here at JREF. If, as is suspected they spend as much time lurking here as we* do there, they've probably already taken down your name, rank, and serial number, Private!

*"We".... I no longer lurk, since they required joinng. I am usually on a company owned laptop, and I would never let that crowd of miscreants have any real info on me. In one of their next purges, one of the little monsters could decide to "go viral" (a new variation on "go postal").

 

[defaultdotxbe]

From the same thread:



This might be interesting to push Presumably by not formally making Louder Than Words a not-for-profit organisation (I can't remember the 'proper' name for the things in the US) they avoid a lot of regulation of how they use their funds...I've still got memories of working for a UK non-profit and keeping the receipts when buying the office milk, to be sure that the books balanced...

If Dylan really isn't making money from LC, then surely he should sell his stuff through a non-for-profit entity, just to avoid any suspicion. After all, there's been a lot of crap sold, and I'd wonder where all that money's gone. I'm just asking questions...

im sure him and the gang paid for that 90 inch TV out of their own pockets, lol

 

[tsig]

Welcome on board, Chippy. Who were you over there if i
may ask? Dylan is a loser - this is what i think about all the
bannings of people who have other opinions.

They are doing the same things that they hate so much -
cutting freedoms. These guys should work for the Patriot Act 3,
killing everybody who disagrees...

Maybe the pilot will show up in here after his banning. I keep
my eyes open for him...

Billzilla! he posted here for a while, but like most pilots I have known he had better things to do than post on a board, like FLY!

 

[StoneWT]

You'll be pre-banned from LC for even raising that question here at JREF. If, as is suspected they spend as much time lurking here as we* do there, they've probably already taken down your name, rank, and serial number, Private!

Yep, those kids are paranoid. They do spend a large amount of time in here. They realize they know very little beyond memorizing and quoting conspiracy videos. As it is largely an ego-building exercise for them, anyone with actual knowledge or research skills could destroy their fantasy "Hey, I'm a crusading expert" world.

Hell, I am effectively 'banned' from some conspiracy gatherings due to not towing the line on Loose Change and criticizing pseudo researchers. As the kids have endorsed LC and pseudo researchers like Jim "We never went to the moon" Fetzer, any valid attack on the video/researcher(s) is translated into an attack on the movement in general or them in particular. They've so wedded themselves to particular conspiracies and 'researchers' that any criticism, even a valid one, is perceived as a personal attack against them.

As for Dylan making money, compare their jobs before LC with their expenses after the video. Unless they lived like hermits saving every penny from their barely above minimum wage jobs, they are now living off of money from the video and donations related to the video. Figure in rent/mortgage, electricity, water, sewage, Internet, food, insurance, gas, various conspiracy-related trips, and the other costs of modern life. How much would all of that cost?

The goal has always been self-promotion. Instead of paying for the medical costs of survivors or college costs of surviving children, they give DVDs of LC to survivors. Huh?

 

[Anti-sophist]

By my count, then, over the last 2 days, they've banned 9 people who were critical of their movement.

The fascists are clearly back in charge at the Loose Change forum.

What is especially dishonest is that they have a "skeptic's forum" and are systematically banning all the skeptics. This way it looks like.. well.. they have no skeptics.

 

[jon]

Hell, I get lots of viruses e-mailed to me anyway - I think someone too a dislike to an organisation I worked for... I think my protection's up to scratch - though I'm not sure if it could handle truthers' viruses falling on it faster than the speed of gravity

Anyway, maccy, thanks for the link to that thread - it's great, a thread about falling numbers of forums users succeeds in driving away 1 more user (when he's threatened with a ban for asking why user numbers are falling).

 

[T.A.M.]

Welcome to the forums Chippy. Although you may find the discussion sometimes rather vigorous here, as long as you follow the membership guidelines you will not be banned.

Hey, isnt that my line...lol

Yes Chippy, welcome to the forum. The banning issue at LC Forum is an old problem that we had hoped had gone away when they added Russ Pickering to their Admin/Mod Fold. WE have deduced that Russ is either (a) away, or (b) has turned a new, nasty leaf, and has endorsed this new round of Fascist Censorship.

Not bad coming from a group of "truthers" who are supposedly fighting to stop america from becoming a police state...lol

TAM

 

[Horatius]

This might be interesting to push Presumably by not formally making Louder Than Words a not-for-profit organisation (I can't remember the 'proper' name for the things in the US) they avoid a lot of regulation of how they use their funds...I've still got memories of working for a UK non-profit and keeping the receipts when buying the office milk, to be sure that the books balanced...

But even then, he'd still be able to pay himself a salary, and thus still be making a living at it. Not-for-profit is for the whole organization, not the individuals in it. I know here in Canada, there's the occasional scandal about how much the heads of various charities get paid. In some cases, it compares favourably to the pay of a CEO at a reasonable sized-firm.

The difference would be, his records would have to be a matter of public record, if I'm not mistaken. Then everybody would see where it all goes.