The Jan. 6 Investigation

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McCarthy's phone records, as expected, are among those requested to be preserved by the telecommunication companies.

Time for him to stock up on Depends.
 
Bob001 said:
As I recall, there were quite a number of well-planned assassination attempts that failed by sheer chance. At the July 20 plot a briefcase with a bomb was set down next to Hitler; somebody moved it just before it went off.
https://www.history.com/this-day-in-history/assassination-plot-against-hitler-fails
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Stacyhs said:
There were many plans/attempts. The July 20th explosion was, IIRC, von Stauffenberg's 3rd attempt.
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Yeah, they made the Tom Cruise movie Valkyrie about the bomb attempt. Can't recommend the movie though.
 
I should really pull out my book on this and brush up, but IIRC there were between 20-30 credible attempts on Hitler's life...

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This is what a moron looks like:




Jan. 6 insurrectionist 'tough guy' Doug Jensen is back in jail after he was caught breaking the terms of his bail.

The QAnon supporter who chased Officer Eugene Goodman near the Senate chamber during the US Capitol insurrection was sent back to jail Thursday, in part because he violated the rules of his release by going online to access conspiracy theories about the 2020 election.

The unusual turn of events means Doug Jensen of Iowa is headed back to jail a mere seven weeks after he was released. He was arrested shortly after the January 6 insurrection and was kept in jail until July, when a federal judge released him to his home under strict conditions.

Those conditions included a prohibition on using the internet -- to keep Jensen away from the QAnon conspiracy, which he previously admitted to investigators was the reason he breached the Capitol. But when court officials made their first unannounced visit to check on Jensen at his home last month, they found him in his garage, using a cell phone to stream a right-wing news outlet.
According to court filings, Jensen admitted to the court officials that he also used the phone to stream a conspiracy-filled symposium held by MyPillow CEO Mike Lindell, a diehard supporter of former President Donald Trump who has repeatedly pushed debunked claims and haywire theories about foreign countries switching millions of votes to steal the election from Trump.

District Judge Timothy Kelly said at a court hearing Thursday that he had released Jensen in July because Jensen claimed he had "turned a corner" and disavowed the conspiracy theories.

"But it's now clear that he has not experienced the transformation that his lawyer previously described, and that he continues to seek out the conspiracy theories that led to his dangerous conduct on January 6," continued Kelly, who was appointed by Trump in 2017 to the DC District Court. "I don't see any reason to believe that he has had the wake-up call that he needs."
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https://www.cnn.com/2021/09/02/politics/doug-jensen-mike-lindell-insurrection-jail/index.html
 
Stacyhs said:
There is no federal law that the Committee or the telecommunication companies would be breaking. That's McCarthy lying. Let me see if I can conjure up some shock......



Nope.
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I would generally like my telecom company to wait until a subpoena to turn over records....not do it because congress asked nicely.
 
BobTheCoward said:
I would generally like my telecom company to wait until a subpoena to turn over records....not do it because congress asked nicely.
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I tend to agree. I don't know why this committee is asking first. Just issue a subpoena from the start and save everyone involved a bit of embarrassment.
 
zorro99 said:
AP sources: Intel shows extremists to attend Capitol rally

WASHINGTON (AP) — Far right extremist groups like the Proud Boys and Oath Keepers are planning to attend a rally later this month at the U.S. Capitol that is designed to demand “justice” for the hundreds of people who have been charged in connection with January’s insurrection, according to three people familiar with intelligence gathered by federal officials.

As a result, U.S. Capitol Police have been discussing in recent weeks whether the large perimeter fence that was erected outside the Capitol after January’s riot will need to be put back up, the people said.

The officials have been discussing security plans that involve reconstructing the fence as well as another plan that does not involve a fence, the people said. They were not authorized to speak publicly and spoke to The Associated Press on condition of anonymity.

The planned Sept. 18 rally at the Capitol comes as a jittery Washington has seen a series of troubling one-off incidents — including, most recently, a man who parked a pickup truck near the Library of Congress and said he had a bomb and detonator. Among the most concerning events: A series of unexploded pipe bombs placed around the U.S. Capitol ahead of the Jan. 6 insurrection remain unexplained and no suspect has been charged.

https://apnews.com/article/capitol-siege-887b2b3a4bcc3c667858765b1281c959
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I suspect this time the protestors will be outnumbered by the police officers.
 
Bob001 said:
As I recall, there were quite a number of well-planned assassination attempts that failed by sheer chance. At the July 20 plot a briefcase with a bomb was set down next to Hitler; somebody moved it just before it went off.
https://www.history.com/this-day-in-history/assassination-plot-against-hitler-fails
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Alos the meettng place wha changed from the usual concrete bunker at Wolf's Lair to a wooden building at the last minute. if it had been a concrete bunker, the explosing would have killed everybody in room from the trapped shock waves alone. The flimsy wooden walls allowed much of the force to go outwards.
 
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Armitage72 said:
I always liked the "Management Equation".

Knowledge is Power.
Power = Work/Time
Therefore, Knowledge = Work/Time
Time is Money
Therefore, Knowledge = Work/Money
Rearranging to solve for Money, Money = Work/Knowledge
This means that as Knowledge decreases, Money increases, independent of the amount of Work, with Money approaching infinity as Knowledge approaches zero.
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This equation is often used to imply that management makes lots of money because they don't know much.

But in point of fact, Money = Work/Knowledge makes a lot of sense in a non-humorous way when properly understood. This equation doesn't tell you how much money you make, but how much money is required to do something. The less you know, the more money it will take you to accomplish some task.
 
Ziggurat said:
This equation is often used to imply that management makes lots of money because they don't know much.

But in point of fact, Money = Work/Knowledge makes a lot of sense in a non-humorous way when properly understood. This equation doesn't tell you how much money you make, but how much money is required to do something. The less you know, the more money it will take you to accomplish some task.
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I know you are not entirely serious but that looks like a classic example of the reification fallacy to me.
 
Perish forbid that anyone should cite Scott Adams, but

He did say that if your company makes a product that people want to buy, it might as well be run by gerbils.
 
Here's a more reputable quote from a vastly better source, specifically Dr. Johnson:

"If trade were difficult, no tradesman could carry it on."

Some might say that that was pretty blunt, coming from a man who lived years at a time with a rich tradesman, Henry Thrale, and fed at his table ("nastily," according to Mrs. Thrale), growing portly and leaving little recorded table-talk because "his attention was on his plate," as Boswell said -- or complained?

But still, can we refute Johnson? He was an acute, and honest, observer. How many brilliant bidnissmen do you know? How many have you heard of? How would you measure their genius? By the money they claim is theirs?

See my location? This was once the town of Henry Ford, and we've all heard immense whoppers about what a mighty genius he was.
 
dudalb said:
Pierce is claming he has COvid.
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I don't think Pierce is claiming anything, which is part of the problem at the moment. I couldn't find a more recent story on it but on cnbc it says:

Lawyer John Pierce — who is representing 17 criminal defendants in Capitol riot cases — has gone missing from court appearances amid conflicting excuses that include a claim he is hospitalized with Covid and is on a ventilator, a court filing says.
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...telling the Assistant U.S. Attorney that he had just gotten word that Mr. Pierce had been in an accident and was on his way to the hospital...
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‘appears to have been suffering from dehydration and exhaustion’
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“and represented to the court that Mr. Pierce’s absence was due to a conflict,” the filing said.
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Basically, no knows where he is but the guy that's now "representing" Pierce's clients a) doesn't have a law license and b) is under indictment for multiple felonies in Pennsylvania. It's a bit of a **** show.
 
plague311 said:
I don't think Pierce is claiming anything, which is part of the problem at the moment. I couldn't find a more recent story on it but on cnbc it says:



Basically, no knows where he is but the guy that's now "representing" Pierce's clients a) doesn't have a law license and b) is under indictment for multiple felonies in Pennsylvania. It's a bit of a **** show.
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At this point, Pierce better have some serious medical problem or have some other good reason why he has fallen off the planet without providing the court an explanation, or he's going to have some pissed off judges after him.
 
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