The Jan 6 Investigation (2)

[The Great Zaganza]

Trump freaking out when his last, best chance to stay President was snatched away from him, when his underlings refuse to obey his orders?
That's not a stretch.

 

[Upchurch]

I cannot think of anything more disgustng then using Ketchup on a really good steak.

I mean, a sitting President wanting to personally join an armed coup and expressly being okay if his VP becomes a casualty might top that…

 

[Crazy Chainsaw]

I mean, a sitting President wanting to personally join an armed coup and expressly being okay if his VP becomes a casualty might top that…

The original plan, was to have a Riot in Washington between Proud Boys, Oath Keepers, VS BLM, Antifa, but BLM listened to reason and didn't show, that ClusterFed Trump's plans, and that's clear from the fact that his people didn't tip off the FBI days ahead of the 6th!
There were no Heroes in that White House only Prople Trying to save their own Butts.

 

[varwoche]

Why let those crooks off when as it turns out there are probably lots of 'staffers' who were witness to the debacle?

I didn't say they should be let off. John Dean was indicted, he flipped, and he went to jail.

 

[Regnad Kcin]

Peter Alexander Chief White House Correspondent for NBC tweeted

@PeterAlexander
A source close to the Secret Service tells me both Bobby Engel, the lead agent, and the presidential limousine/SUV driver are prepared to testify under oath that neither man was assaulted and that Mr. Trump never lunged for the steering wheel.

If they can credibly counter any one of her statements, everything will be in doubt.

 

[The Great Zaganza]

If they can credibly counter any one of her statements, everything will be in doubt.

It's incredibly unlikely that any SS agents will testify - which what the Trumpers are counting on.

 

[Crossbow]

Pity SNL is on summer break. A cold open and Weekend Update would have a Field Day with this stuff.

Thanks much!

I was thinking about the same thing myself.

For example, does anyone else recall the skits involving 'Toonces. The cat who can drive a car (just not very well)'?

Just think of the comedy involving Toonces driving around a freaked-out Trump around in the Presidential limousine during the January 6 insurrection.

 

[Skeptic Ginger]

Brett Baer on Faux News last night
[snipped for space]
Even Faux News is having trouble handwaving all this away!

Baer has been more truthful for quite a while. The usual suspects are still blathering on. Hannity, Pirro, and Bartiloma were on a panel just yesterday downplaying the cred of Hutchinson. I only watched a minute or so of it.

 

[Athyrio]

It's incredibly unlikely that any SS agents will testify - which what the Trumpers are counting on.

Reportedly, Anthony Ornato has already testified before the committee. I would really like to hear what he has had to say.

 

[Donal]

If they can credibly counter any one of her statements, everything will be in doubt.

They've already given video depositions. I would like to think that a team of lawyers wouldn't bring up that anecdote if the people directly involved were all going to deny it under oath.

 

[Athyrio]

They've already given video depositions. I would like to think that a team of lawyers wouldn't bring up that anecdote if the people directly involved were all going to deny it under oath.

But, did the commission know about Hutchinson's comments re: the antics she was told about happened in the vehicle beforehand in order to ask the SS questions about it?

I don't care about Trump's backseat driving behaviour or that he assaulted a wall with his lunch plate. He's not going to be prosecuted for that. I want to hear from anybody else that was involved in or within earshot to the conversation re: weapons being toted to the Capitol and being ok'd by Trump. Hutchinson seems to have a good memory. Maybe she can suggest some names of others who were also present at that and perhaps they can be subpoenaed or be willing to testify as to such.

 

[crescent]

I don't think Trump would have lunged for anything. I doubt he is even aware of how a car works, having been driven around for most of his life. Is there an pic of him behind thee wheel of anything other than a golf cart?

Trump freaking out when his last, best chance to stay President was snatched away from him, when his underlings refuse to obey his orders?
That's not a stretch.

It's not clear if the vehicle was moving yet. Was just grabbing the wheel to try to prevent them from getting going?

I could see that, the sort of arrogant boss thing: Grab the wheel. "We'll move when I say we'll move!"

Although that might be unusual. I have the impression is that when the President is in a vehicle, it moves. In most videos I have seen, the door opens almost as soon as the car stops and the President hops out. When the President gets in, the vehicle is moving almost as soon as the door is shut.

 

[shemp]

Thanks much!

I was thinking about the same thing myself.

For example, does anyone else recall the skits involving 'Toonces. The cat who can drive a car (just not very well)'?

Just think of the comedy involving Toonces driving around a freaked-out Trump around in the Presidential limousine during the January 6 insurrection.

But only if it ends the way that all Toonces skits did, with Toonces driving off a cliff.

 

[sarge]

Thread continued from here http://www.internationalskeptics.com/forums/showthread.php?t=353105

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[Crossbow]

But only if it ends the way that all Toonces skits did, with Toonces driving off a cliff.

Well, ...

One can hope for such an ending.

 

[Bob001]

If they can credibly counter any one of her statements, everything will be in doubt.

Not necessarily. She has testified about what she personally experienced and observed, and also about what others told her. If somebody told her something that turned out to be untrue, her account of the conversation could still be correct. And I think if the SS testify, they're going to be doing some fine parsing: "He may have gestured toward the front of the vehicle to indicate which way he wanted to go, but I don't recall him touching the wheel." "Yes, he did put his hand on my chest, but I thought he was just straightening my tie." Etc.

 

[Andy_Ross]

Can the SS be trusted though?

They knew people were armed and just let them march to the Capitol, they didn't inform the Capitol Police, FBI, Homeland Security or the DC Police.
They didn’t take Trump away to a secure location, they knew there was no threat to him.

Pence refused to get in their car, he knew part of the SS was in on it and didn't trust them.
It looks like the SS picked a side that day and Pence was on the wrong one.

Biden replaced some assigned to him with the guys from his old SS detail that he knew he could trust.

 

[slyjoe]

Reportedly, Anthony Ornato has already testified before the committee. I would really like to hear what he has had to say.

From what I understand, he was not working as a SS agent, nor employed by them. Trump liked him; he was officially some Asst Deputy something.

 

[Athyrio]

From what I understand, he was not working as a SS agent, nor employed by them. Trump liked him; he was officially some Asst Deputy something.

I have a different understanding from reading his bio. He is currently the Assistant Director of the United States Secret Service Office of Training. The bio goes on to say that he had recently been “detailed” to the White House as an Assistant to the President and Deputy Chief of Staff for Operations.

Doesn’t sound to me like his SS employment had ever terminated but regardless, I want to hear what he or any SS agent has said already or what they are about to say. I have serious doubts that any SS agent is going to spill the beans on a President’s inappropriate behaviour if they desire for their position to last longer than a presidential term.

 

[The Great Zaganza]

Since Clinton, SS agents do have to testify about a President’s inappropriate behaviour, if called upon.