The Heiwa Challenge

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Yet another stupid response from Heiwa He loves having his name in bold, doesn't he? Here you go Heiwa.. perhaps you understand it now... because its so easy to come up with a whole bunch of structures that meet your challenge.

Anyway here is an example of how total collapse can be generated by less than 1/20th of the total weight of a structure:
1. Get 20 Pizza boxes and stack on top of each other.
2. Tape together the sides with a few vertical lines of scotch tape.
3. cut each side vertically into 4, starting at each corner. Add vertical tape to stick the columns together
4. cut out all horizontal cardboard (the floors), and then replace them sticking them back in position with tiny amounts of glue, that is only just able to support the self weight of 1 piece of cardboard.
5. drop the top horizontal piece.

So what happens.
1. the top piece falls and hits the next piece.
2. and because the glue is only strong enough to support one piece of cardboard the next piece falls...
3 and so on, until all the horizontals have fallen
4. at some point during the collapse the outside of the box falls down. The columns will become unstable because they have lost the lateral restraint of the floor thro the glue. The columns will not be able to support their own weight as a single skin of cardboard 20 pizza-boxes tall. The columns will tend to fall outwards because the air is being pushed out of the boxes by the collapse.

Interestingly, the floors will collapse at essentially free-fall speed as they pancake, because the glue offers no real resistance and is massively overloaded, even after the first impact (200% of design load plus impact force to bring it to about 300% of design). The columns will be slower to fall, and will tend to fall radially out from the middle.

Now I am sure Heiwa will say that I am cheating, but not according to "Heiwa's Challenge" . And, of course, this type of failure works even better in steel, although Heiwa did suggest Pizza boxes. The "heiwa challenge" was to cause collapse by using a tiny proportion of the total mass, which this does quite nicely.

Don't ya just love pizza!! If by some miracle Heiwa concedes, then pls donate my winnings to a charity that supports the victims of the Iraq war; both the servicemen and the civilians
 
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His aticle has already been examined by some of those engineers you speak of and judged worthy of publication in their journal. That in itself is a kind of peer review. The only questions are whether they will go ahead with publication and when.

It's a discussion piece, and it'll likely be obliterated by other discussions.
 
Anyway here is an example of how total collapse can be generated by less than 1/20th of the total weight of a structure:
1. Get 20 Pizza boxes and stack on top of each other.
2. Tape together the sides with a few vertical lines of scotch tape.
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Effective and elegant. Also ironic that you managed it with pizza boxes :)
 
It's a discussion piece, and it'll likely be obliterated by other discussions.
I doubt that. I can't imagine that there will be a more interesting article than this in a single issue. Now that the Obama administration has restored a little chutzpah in people in general I anticipate active discussions. But I will believe that it will be published only when I see it. Do you happen to know what an average print run of this magazine is ?
 
I doubt that. I can't imagine that there will be a more interesting article than this in a single issue. Now that the Obama administration has restored a little chutzpah in people in general I anticipate active discussions. But I will believe that it will be published only when I see it. Do you happen to know what an average print run of this magazine is ?

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I doubt that. I can't imagine that there will be a more interesting article than this in a single issue. Now that the Obama administration has restored a little chutzpah in people in general I anticipate active discussions. But I will believe that it will be published only when I see it. Do you happen to know what an average print run of this magazine is ?

That must be why at the "9/11 Truth Rally" in Washington D.C. on inauguration day, 20 people showed up out of a million people who were glad to see the end of Bush.

That's the largest "Truth" turnout I've seen in two years. They used to be larger.
 
What do you think will happen then ? Realistically ?

There will probably be a reply from Bazant, or another engineer, that totally rips into Heiwa.

Look, I know you don't understand engineering, at all, and you're predisposed to believe Heiwa because you share his beliefs, but what Heiwa does is not backed up by engineering mechanics. What he does is fake. He'll get ripped apart in the journal.

They're going to make an example out of him.
 
There will probably be a reply from Bazant, or another engineer, that totally rips into Heiwa.

Look, I know you don't understand engineering, at all, and you're predisposed to believe Heiwa because you share his beliefs, but what Heiwa does is not backed up by engineering mechanics. What he does is fake. He'll get ripped apart in the journal.

They're going to make an example out of him.

I may not be an engineer but I am not stupid either. I don't believe what Heiwa says because it goes against the OCT but because it makes sense to me. I will be happy to hear what these other engineers, especially Bazant have to say. I don't for a minute believe that they will be able to make a silk purse out of a sow's ear but I am open to persuasion.
 
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I may not be an engineer but I am not stupid either. I don't believe what Heiwa says because it goes against the OCT but because it makes sense to me. I will be happy to hear what these other engineers, especially Bazant have to say. I don't for a minute believe that they will be able to make a silk purse out of a sow's ear but I am open to persuasion.

So you think pizza boxes are a good model for the WTC?

So you think that the upper block of the WTC could be dropped two miles (instead of 12 feet) without destroying the lower block?
 
So you think pizza boxes are a good model for the WTC?

So you think that the upper block of the WTC could be dropped two miles (instead of 12 feet) without destroying the lower block?

Those are just analogies. But the heart of Heiwa's argument makes perfect sense to me. I sincerely doubt that anybody will be able to prove him wrong. And if they cannot ?.......
 
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Pizza boxes, makes this poster hungry
 
Those are just analogies. But the heart of Heiwa's argument makes perfect sense to me. I sincerely doubt that anybody will be able to prove him wrong. And if they cannot ?.......

So you think his analogies are rather bogus?

Then what's the heart of his argument? His axiom? The self-described evidence-less statement that was proven incorrect over 7 years before he made it?
 
So you think his analogies are rather bogus?

Then what's the heart of his argument? His axiom? The self-described evidence-less statement that was proven incorrect over 7 years before he made it?

Some analogies work better than others but bogus ?...not at all.. Heiwa's axiom is impregnable as far as I can see. I can hardly believe that you believe that the topmost and lightest 10% of a steel-framed building can crush the other 90% right down to the ground by gravity alone.
 
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Some analogies work better than others but bogus ?...not at all.. Heiwa's axiom is impregnable as far as I can see. I can hardly believe that you believe that the topmost and lightest 10% of a steel-framed building can crush the other 90% right down to the ground by gravity alone.

Bill, what was the mass of that 'top 10%'? What what was the load capacity of the floor underneath that 10%?
 
Some analogies work better than others but bogus ?...not at all.. Heiwa's axiom is impregnable as far as I can see. I can hardly believe that you believe that the topmost and lightest 10% of a steel-framed building can crush the other 90% right down to the ground by gravity alone.

Bill, the top 10% only had to crush the floor below it. Then the 11% crushed the floor below that then the 12% crushed the next and so on.
 
There will probably be a reply from Bazant, or another engineer, that totally rips into Heiwa.

Look, I know you don't understand engineering, at all, and you're predisposed to believe Heiwa because you share his beliefs, but what Heiwa does is not backed up by engineering mechanics. What he does is fake. He'll get ripped apart in the journal.

They're going to make an example out of him.

We will see! I just re-read my simple and clear paper to JEM and it is only about the BLGB paper/theory applied to WTC 1 and why the BLGB theory is false! It seems BLGB overlooked some important factors that you would learn by simple pizza box experiments! I really look forward to the JEM publication of my paper and Bazant's and LGB's comments, if any. If BLGB can provide real answers, they should be able to design a structure that fulfills The Heiwa Challenge! I doubt, though, that BLGB will manage that.

Thanks for your encouragement! Without all JREF comments I would never have written my paper for JEM and there would not be any The Heiwa Challenge!
 
Bill, the top 10% only had to crush the floor below it. Then the 11% crushed the floor below that then the 12% crushed the next and so on.

But beware, maybe the 90% below destroys or stops the top 10% before!
 
Some analogies work better than others but bogus ?...not at all.. Heiwa's axiom is impregnable as far as I can see. I can hardly believe that you believe that the topmost and lightest 10% of a steel-framed building can crush the other 90% right down to the ground by gravity alone.

What do you mean it's impregnable? "Heiwa's Axiom" is disproved by the WTC1&2 collapse.

WTC1&2 also meet "Heiwa's Challenge" as outlined in post #1 of this thread.
 
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