The Heiwa Challenge

[Jackanory]

This is kind of sad, actually. Bill doesn't have any actual truth movement victories to crow about, so he keeps doing this - making up scenarios where the truth movement wins a victory, then doing some speculative crowing just in case his fantasy comes true. By the time reality has intervened, he'll have already conveniently forgotten his dream scenario, and will have dreamed up two or three more. Reality doesn't enter into the picture at any stage.

Dave

It is sad Dave. Yet Bill has his fingers in so many conspiracies that he will simply move onto the next one - and get them burnt there too

 

[Grizzly Bear]

When one CT doesn't work... hell, try 'em all! ANd if that don't work, cycle through again and again until one does.

 

[bill smith]

When one CT doesn't work... hell, try 'em all! ANd if that don't work, cycle through again and again until one does.

Actually that's not true. I am a one-conspiracy person- 9/11. It's my one and only conspiracy.

 

[Jackanory]

Actually that's not true. I am a one-conspiracy person- 9/11. It's my one and only conspiracy.

Then you need a new hobby because you suck at this one.

 

[Jackanory]

Its all gone quiet in the Heiwa camp. Perhaps the French Battalion of the NWO have raided his peddalo in Monaco.

 

[Minadin]

The NIST server is back on line.

The chapter which provides all of the information on the concrete floor reinforcement is the one describing the floor truss system fire testing NCSTAR 1-6B. There is a description of the welded wire fabric used, the diameter of the rods used and mesh size, and photos starting on page 21, and mill test reports giving the actual tested strength of the rod in the Appendix A.

http://wtc.nist.gov/NCSTAR1/PDF/NCSTAR 1-6B.pdf

Well, that certainly shows that the NIST used wwf in the reconstruction they did for fire testing. I am willing to assume that they used that instead of rebar because that was actually in the Towers, because they were so careful about re-creating the other details. (also because I had assumed they used wwf in the Towers initially)

Thanks for the link.

 

[Justin39640]

Then you need a new hobby because you suck at this one.

lol +1

 

[Newtons Bit]

The NIST server is back on line.

The chapter which provides all of the information on the concrete floor reinforcement is the one describing the floor truss system fire testing NCSTAR 1-6B. There is a description of the welded wire fabric used, the diameter of the rods used and mesh size, and photos starting on page 21, and mill test reports giving the actual tested strength of the rod in the Appendix A.

http://wtc.nist.gov/NCSTAR1/PDF/NCSTAR 1-6B.pdf

They apparently used #4 bars @ 24" o.c. and WWF. I've never heard of using both in concrete on a non-composite deck.

 

[bill smith]

u7vf

This is kind of sad, actually. Bill doesn't have any actual truth movement victories to crow about, so he keeps doing this - making up scenarios where the truth movement wins a victory, then doing some speculative crowing just in case his fantasy comes true. By the time reality has intervened, he'll have already conveniently forgotten his dream scenario, and will have dreamed up two or three more. Reality doesn't enter into the picture at any stage.

Dave

If you call revealing the Truth a victory Dave then we have won several victories conclusively. CIT has proven beyond any easonable doubt that flight 77 could not have hit the Pentagon according to the government's scenario. Steven Jones et Al have proven empirically that nanothermite was presnt in large quantities at the WTC. This last has been written up, successfully peer reviewed and published. David Chandler has forced NIST to categorically admit freefall for part of the WTC7 collspse. NIST themselves have said that this is impossible for a steel framed building i a gravity-alone collapse..
So it is not very convincing to say that we have nothing. Heiwa is now engaging Bazant and we will have to see what comes of it. From your point of view Bazant had better get it right or you are all done.

 

[332nd]

If you call revealing the Truth a victory Dave then we have won several victories conclusively.

Really?

CIT has proven beyond any easonable doubt that flight 77 could not have hit the Pentagon according to the government's scenario.

No they haven't. This has been explained several times on this forum.

Steven Jones et Al have proven empirically that nanothermite was presnt in large quantities at the WTC. This last has been written up, successfully peer reviewed and published.

No, this has been explained several times on this forum also.

David Chandler has forced NIST to categorically admit freefall for part of the WTC7 collspse.

Even if this were true it would require ignoring the collapse of the penthouse.

NIST themselves have said that this is impossible for a steel framed building i a gravity-alone collapse..

What?

So it is not very convincing to say that we have nothing. Heiwa is now engaging Bazant and we will have to see what comes of it. From your point of view Bazant had better get it right or you are all done.

Ok... Let's say all of what you said is true.

What is the reason for the truth movement getting nothing done in bringing the true criminals to justice?

 

[tuc0]

If you call revealing the Truth a victory Dave then we have won several victories conclusively.

Wrong.

CIT has proven beyond any easonable doubt that flight 77 could not have hit the Pentagon according to the government's scenario.

Wrong.

Steven Jones et Al have proven empirically that nanothermite was presnt in large quantities at the WTC.

Wrong.

This last has been written up, successfully peer reviewed and published.

Wrong.

David Chandler has forced NIST to categorically admit freefall for part of the WTC7 collspse. NIST themselves have said that this is impossible for a steel framed building i a gravity-alone collapse..

I know nothing about this one, but based on your record so far I'm skeptical.

So it is not very convincing to say that we have nothing.

Wrong.

Heiwa is now engaging Bazant and we will have to see what comes of it. From your point of view Bazant had better get it right or you are all done.

Wrong.

Better luck next time.

 

[dafydd]

The perimeter columns of the WTC near the location of failure were close to modern HSS 14x14x5/16
A = 15.7in^2
I = 739 in^4
S = 92.3 in ^3

Pn = 557k (from AISC LRFD 3rd, table 4-6 with an unbraced length, KL = 12’-4”)
Mn = 92.3in^3*46ksi = 4645 kip*in (Mn = maximum bending capacity)

That is Greek to me. Heiwa,could you explain it to me?

 

[Dave Rogers]

If you call revealing the Truth a victory Dave then we have won several victories conclusively. CIT has proven beyond any easonable doubt that flight 77 could not have hit the Pentagon according to the government's scenario. Steven Jones et Al have proven empirically that nanothermite was presnt in large quantities at the WTC. This last has been written up, successfully peer reviewed and published. David Chandler has forced NIST to categorically admit freefall for part of the WTC7 collspse. NIST themselves have said that this is impossible for a steel framed building i a gravity-alone collapse..

As I said, reality doesn't enter into the picture at any stage. You couldn't have proved my point better.

Dave

 

[bill smith]

As I said, reality doesn't enter into the picture at any stage. You couldn't have proved my point better.

Dave

Why, thank you kind Sir. You can be sure I will strive to maintain the same standard of excellence in the future.

 

[Heiwa]

That is Greek to me. Heiwa,could you explain it to me?

It would appear that NB is talking about a box column with side 35.6 cm and wall thickness 8 mm with cross area A is 101.3 cm², moment of inertia I is 30760 cm4 and the section modulus S 1513 cm3. Every 3.7 m a floor truss is hanging on it.

Maybe A should be say 112 cm², I abt. 24000 cm4 and S abt. 1330 cm3 but it really doesn’t matter. Say it is normal steel with yield stress 2.3 ton/cm², so it can carry almost 260 ton!

How much load does a floor truss transmit to it? 2 ton ? 3 ton ? (Depends on the length of and load on the truss) http://heiwaco.tripod.com/loaddistribution.htm .

Say that 15 floor trusses are connected to this column and that the total load is say 50 ton! Compressive stress is then only 0.45 ton/cm² or only 20% of yield. Tallies with my calculations at http://heiwaco.tripod.com/nist0.htm#2 .

There are 60+ of these box columns in a wall held/rivetted/bolted together by strong spandrels every 3.7 m. The box columns are also just bolted together at regular intervals on top of each other ... it seems. Strange connection? I would have welded them together!

Anyway, in the The Heiwa Challenge structure you are permitted to bolt together the elements as you like!

 

[FineWine]

u7vf

If you call revealing the Truth a victory Dave then we have won several victories conclusively. CIT has proven beyond any easonable doubt that flight 77 could not have hit the Pentagon according to the government's scenario. Steven Jones et Al have proven empirically that nanothermite was presnt in large quantities at the WTC. This last has been written up, successfully peer reviewed and published. David Chandler has forced NIST to categorically admit freefall for part of the WTC7 collspse. NIST themselves have said that this is impossible for a steel framed building i a gravity-alone collapse..
So it is not very convincing to say that we have nothing. Heiwa is now engaging Bazant and we will have to see what comes of it. From your point of view Bazant had better get it right or you are all done.

This is the point I and other sane people keep making. You present a list of outright lies and claim your dishonest, insane movement has proved something. It is 100% accurate to say that you have nothing. The drooling imbeciles at CIT have sold a handful of worthless DVDs to sub-morons. Beyond that, they have accomplished zilch. Nobody saw a flyover; there was none. End of story. Jones is a complete fraud who will never submit his red paint chips for independent verification. Chandler has forced no--zero--"admissions "from NIST. NIST has never published a word that lends any credence to the impossibly stupid myths you pathetic people cling to.

Bazant could change careers and run off with the circus, and the "truth" movement would still be absolutely devoid of truth.

 

[FineWine]

Why, thank you kind Sir. You can be sure I will strive to maintain the same standard of excellence in the future.

Now, about those Israelis who had advance knowledge of terrorist attacks that never actually happened...

 

[sylvan8798]

CIT has proven beyond any reasonable doubt that flight 77 could not have hit the Pentagon according to the government's scenario.

Perhaps your standard of reasoning is too low.

 

[Regnad Kcin]

Actually that's not true. I am a one-conspiracy person- 9/11. It's my one and only conspiracy.

Considering, one more time, that any "inside job" conspiracy with regard to the events of 9/11 is 100% impossible, I ask again:

What is your agenda?

 

[Tony Szamboti]

They apparently used #4 bars @ 24" o.c. and WWF. I've never heard of using both in concrete on a non-composite deck.

Yes, they also used some heavier rebar in the floors along with the WWF. It seems that it was used to support and keep the WWF positioned vertically prior to and during pouring. It appears it was also used as an end tie.