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The Heiwa Challenge

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R.Mackey said:
I fail to see how this is progress for him.
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Easy to explain.

1- Heiwa is also obviously a fraud at engineering
2- Heiwa can't get work, he is an out of work bum.
3- he sees Gage making a living off of troofers
4- he's decided to make a living a la Gage by fleecing troofers also

The end
 
Myriad said:
I've taken the liberty of creating a diagram illustrating your new analysis of the collapse dynamics following collapse initiation:

[qimg]http://www.internationalskeptics.com/forums/imagehosting/130124a2824faa4dc9.jpg[/qimg]


I do not find it convincing.

Respectfully,
Myriad
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Did you ever wonder why we did not see any of the floor pans come flying out of the building along with the steel girders ? Or any rebar mesh from the floor reinforcing. There was 110 ACRES of each of these two items in each building.
Especially the floor pans that the floor concrete was poured into. I believe there were 48 per floor- times 110 equals more than 5,000 of these pans. Believe it or not...there don't seem to be any in the wreckage on the ground either..and virtually no rebar...Any ideas ?
 
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bill smith said:
Did you ever wonder why we did not see any of the floor pans come flying out of the building along with the steel girders ? Or any rebar mesh from the floor reinforcing. There was 110 ACRES of each of these two items in each building.
Especially the floor pans that the floor concrete was poured into. I believe there were 48 per floor- times 110 equals more than 5,000 of these pans. Believe it or not...there don't seem to be any in the wreckage on the ground either..and virtually no rebar...Any ideas ?
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oops

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A W Smith said:
oops

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That looks impressive but completely loses it's impact when ypu realise that the bottom half of the screen is the footprint of the 500,000 ton building. A section of the perimeter wall of WTC1 is leaning against the wreck of WTC6. Do you see any floor pans in the bottom half of the picture ?
 
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bill smith said:
That looks good but completely loses it's impact when ypu realise that the bottom half of the screen is the footprint of the 500,000 ton building. A section of the perimeter wall of WTC1 is leaning against the wreck of WTC6. Do you see any floor pans in the bottom half of the picture ?
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Here's a close up of a stack of floor pans saved to a hangar at Kennedy airport


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bill smith said:
That looks impressive but completely loses it's impact when ypu realise that the bottom half of the screen is the footprint of the 500,000 ton building. A section of the perimeter wall of WTC1 is leaning against the wreck of WTC6. Do you see any floor pans in the bottom half of the picture ?
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The funny part about your posts; you have no point. You never have a point and post stupid statements and moronic videos. Keep up the off topic posts of stupid ideas.

As seen on 911 twice Heiwa's failed ideas went down with WTC1 and WTC2. You support failed ideas on 911 and have no rational conclusions on 911.
 
The floor pans are 22ga steel. That's 0.0295" thick. How much of it do you think should steel be in "pan" form?
 
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Almost razorblade thickness. Hmmm.....it had no stuctural or support function Then ?
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I'll clarify, how much of it do you think should still be in "pan" form post collapse? How would explosive demolition differ in the this amount versus a typical collapse?
 
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Almost razorblade thickness. Hmmm.....it had no stuctural or support function Then ?
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Little more than form work to support the concrete floor as it cured. It played little significance in the strength of the floor. In fact one of the reasons it is corrugated was to provide stiffness so it would not collapse under the weight of wet concrete. The bridging trusses on which the pans rested prevented the pans from folding up and falling between the floor trusses.
 
bill smith said:
Myriad..see it in slow moton... The top block falls and impacts the top of part A. The concrete floors meet and explode and the columns in both parts are the first next thing to reach their respctive next floors. Of course they completely chew them up as teeth chew food. Not only that...the upper and lower teeth are meshing. Some pieces of floors are still janging off columns and getting caught up. Friction is increasing, the mass above is decreasing as it's former floors turn to loose rubble, much of which will all away to the sides.
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Yes, it's a good idea to take a condescending tone with someone who knows vastly more than you do.

The mass above is not decreasing, you--ah, what's the use? Your pixiliated guru is quite mad. The collapsing floors ADD mass and gain momentum. Can anything pound this simple concept into your head? Can't you understand that you are spouting nonsense?
 
Newtons Bit said:
I'll clarify, how much of it do you think should still be in "pan" form post collapse? How would explosive demolition differ in the this amount versus a typical collapse?
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Clarify this then. When they poured the concrete and added the rebar it was still wet right ? So how did the floorpans which were up to 1/48th of an acre in size each support that weight of concrete and steel if the steel was only as thick as you imply (0.029''). I hope you were not being misleading ?
 
bill smith said:
Clarify this then. When they poured the concrete and added the rebar it was still wet right ? So how did the floorpans which were up to 1/48th of an acre in size each support that weight of concrete and steel if the steel was only as thick as you imply (0.029''). I hope you were not being misleading ?
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Are you saying that a 22ga deck CANT span the distances required in the WTC?
 
bill smith said:
Almost razorblade thickness. Hmmm.....it had no stuctural or support function Then ?
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A razor blade is .009'' thick, the floor pans are 0.0299'' thick. 3.322 times thicker. You are off on most things 911. You are on the team of dumb ideas on 911 and you have earned your position.

Heiwa is off twice with his challenge beat on 911 by the collapse of the WTC towers.
 
A W Smith said:
Little more than form work to support the concrete floor as it cured. It played little significance in the strength of the floor. In fact one of the reasons it is corrugated was to provide stiffness so it would not collapse under the weight of wet concrete. The bridging trusses on which the pans rested prevented the pans from folding up and falling between the floor trusses.
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Good explanation. But it still will not explain where they are all gone. Or the 110 acres of rebar either.
 
bill smith said:
Good explanation. But it still will not explain where they are all gone. Or the 110 acres of rebar either.
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since the pans were underneath the floor. And the structural steel for the most part fell on top of it with the exception of the floor trusses. Why would you expect to see it laying on top of the pile in the image I posted above?
 
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