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The Heiwa Challenge

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Newtons Bit said:
No, he's offering to sell a house that's not worth anything for 100,000. Because it's worth a million bucks to him.
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Oh I see, so if anybody wins this challenge he will sell a worthless house for 100,000.

Yep, I am sure in crazytown his property is worth millions.
 
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Newtons Bit said:
No, he's offering to sell a house that's not worth anything for 100,000. Because it's worth a million bucks to him.
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So...instead of paying one million dollars to the winner of this challenge...he expects someone to pay HIM $100,000. (After carrying out the experiment at their own expense)

I'm not seeing anything which would motivate anyone to actually attempt this.
 
nicepants said:
So...instead of paying one million dollars to the winner of this challenge...he expects someone to pay HIM $100,000. (After carrying out the experiment at their own expense)

I'm not seeing anything which would motivate anyone to actually attempt this.
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Me either.

Heiwa knows that only anti science can explain the 9/11 jibberish NIST excretes.

His Million is safe
 
nicepants said:
So...instead of paying one million dollars to the winner of this challenge...he expects someone to pay HIM $100,000. (After carrying out the experiment at their own expense)
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And as this will not happen he has proven that NIST is wrong. Somehow there´s a beautiful logic stupidity, albeit twisted and deranged in shapes hitherto unknown to man, behind his reasoning.
 
roundhead said:
Heiwa knows that only anti science can explain the 9/11 jibberish NIST excretes.
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Also, not to derail, but I'd like some clarification on this comment. Do you feel NIST "excretes jibberish" because the entire organization from top to bottom is part of the evil conspiracy? Or do you think they are merely cowards coerced into silence in the same way you've previously characterized the FDNY?
 
3bodyproblem said:
Heiwa continues to ignore things like this: http://www3.gendisasters.com/alabama/2925/birmingham%2C-al-building-collapse%2C-apr-1900

More than 100 years ago. 1 beam drops and takes out the whole building. A single strutural element. This more than meets your stupid challenge Heiwa, pay up. Make the cheque payable to "Cash" please.
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NYC has a rule in it's building code that requires contractors to evacuate the top two floors of a building that has a crane carrying steel operating above it. It's becuase of situations like this.

I'd like to know what the impetus for this was...
 
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3bodyproblem said:
Heiwa continues to ignore things like this: http://www3.gendisasters.com/alabama/2925/birmingham%2C-al-building-collapse%2C-apr-1900

More than 100 years ago. 1 beam drops and takes out the whole building. A single strutural element. This more than meets your stupid challenge Heiwa, pay up. Make the cheque payable to "Cash" please.
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Pls, make model of strutural (?) beams and drop one of them, call it C, on other 10 (call them A). If C one-way collapses the A assembly, you have won a prize. OK, one beam is not really a structure (!) so assemble 10 C beams into a structure and drop it on a 100 C beams (part A) assembly and see what happens.

It seems my house was under attack 1640 when the Swedish army under Torstensson fired 1000+ rounds into the town (not very friendly). The canon ball went though the roof and cut a beam (still missing) in the roof supporting structure. Due to redundancy house + roof are still standing 2009!

Ok, roof is one structure and cannon ball another structure. ThE Heiwa Challenge is that a part C of a structure drops on a part A of identical structure, where C = 1/10 A and C was previously carried by A, and that C then manages to one-way crush down A assisted by gravity only. One-way crush means C is just negligibly damaged in the process (which contender must prove) while A is crushed.

Myriad has problems with impact velocity of C (gravity is acting too slowly) so drop height of C can from now on be up to 3.7 m (guess why?). Just put A on ground beside house and walk up two stories in same house and drop C on A. Hope your house has two stories!

Mackey has problems with scale. None of his structures one-way collapses as per the Heiwa Challenge. Mackey is apparently a NASA engineer and maybe he should ask NASA for assistance?

Get working at your structures, boys! And girls, of course!
 
Heiwa said:
Pls, make model of strutural (?) beams and drop one of them, call it C, on other 10 (call them A). If C one-way collapses the A assembly, you have won a prize. OK, one beam is not really a structure (!) so assemble 10 C beams into a structure and drop it on a 100 C beams (part A) assembly and see what happens.
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You're delusional. In that accident, 1 member took out the entire structure of more than 20 beams. An example of a cascade failure.

Pay up.
 
Bump. Looks like Heiwa is running away from his own challenge. I wonder what the problem is. :rolleyes:
 
3bodyproblem said:
You're delusional. In that accident, 1 member took out the entire structure of more than 20 beams. An example of a cascade failure.

Pay up.
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Pls supply your model dropping one beam on 20 identical beams connected to one another at your choice and that one-way collapse follows and I will have a look.

PS - Challenge as per post #1 is still there. You can modify conditions within reason if you feel it is neccesary to demonstrate a one-way crush down of structure A by part C!
 
dtugg said:
Bump. Heiwa is still running away from his own challenge. I wonder why.
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Because it's not even a legitimate challenge.

"Build something, at your own expense, that does what I require it to do and I'll give you money that I can't prove exists if I'm satisfied with the results. Also I won't put the money in escrow or agree to be legally bound to the requirements of my "challenge" which may change as I see fit"

Those goal posts are probably getting pretty heavy...
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The Heiwa Challenge - rev. 1

The Heiwa Challenge is still on as per post #1. Below some clarifications:


It is assumed at JREF 9/11 Conspiracy Theories Forum that a structure will be crushed, if you drop a piece (1/10th) of the same structure on it and that it is quite normal - no conspiracy. So here is the challenge: Prove it!

Conditions:

1. The structure is supposed to have a certain cross area A and height h and is fixed on the ground. The structure is an assembly of various elements of any type. It can be any size!
2. The structure should be more or less identical from h = 0 to h = h, e.g. uniform density, layout of internal elements, etc. Horizontal elements in structure should be identical. Vertical, load carrying elements should be similar and be uniformly stressed due to gravity, i.e. bottom vertical elements may be reinforced or made a little stronger, if required. Connections between elements should be similar throughout.
3. It is recognized that the structure may be a little higher stressed at h=0 than h=h due to uniform density, elements, etc.
4. Before drop test the structure shall be stable, i.e. carry itself and withstand a small lateral impact at top without falling apart. Connections between elements cannot rely solely on friction.
5. Before test 1/10th of the structure is disconnected at the top at h = 0.9 h without damaging the structure more than required for disconnection.
6. The lower structure, 0.9 h high is then called part A. The top part, 0.1 h high, is called part C.
7. Mass of part C should be <1/9th of mass of part A.
8. Now drop part C on part A and crush part A (if you can! That's the test).
9. Drop height of part C above part A is max 3.7 m. Less drop height is permitted.
10. Structure is only considered crushed, when >70% of the elements in part A are disconnected from each other after test, i.e. drop by part C on A from 3.7 m.

Have a try! I look forward to your structures!

Heiwa

PS - If you want to change the conditions I will consider that.
 
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