"THE GROUND TRUTH" by John Farmer

[Sword_Of_Truth]

Someone who is a muslim, who holds extreme views, who shouts "Allahu Akbar" while discharging a firearm into a crowd of Americans, is a radical islamist terrorist.

I'm sorry that this tickles your inner islamist apologist, but it's the truth.

 

[Thunder]

Someone who is a muslim, who holds extreme views, who shouts "Allahu Akbar" while discharging a firearm into a crowd of Americans, is a radical islamist terrorist.

I'm sorry that this tickles your inner islamist apologist, but it's the truth.

that's fine. then I guess you therefore have no problem with me calling Baruch Goldstein a Jewish extremist terrorist?

 

[Sword_Of_Truth]

that's fine. then I guess you therefore have no problem with me calling Baruch Goldstein a Jewish extremist terrorist?

I don't know who Baruch Goldstein is. But you call everything that the Israeli government does or says terrorism, so I just tune you out.

 

[Thunder]

But you call everything that the Israeli government does or says terrorism, so I just tune you out.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Strawman_argument

http://www.asa3.org/ASA/education/think/strawman.htm

http://www.wisegeek.com/what-is-a-straw-man-argument.htm

I posted several links just so there would be little confusion.



Baruch Goldstein was the right-wing fundamentalist Jew who ran into the Tomb of the Patriarchs in Hebron and massacred like 50 Muslim worshippers. Clearly a Jewish-extremist terrorist.

 

[gumboot]

To be classified as a terrorist, there needs to be some political or ideological issue behind the attack, and the attacker has to intend that their attack will have some sort of impact on that issue.

Until such time as an investigation can determine the motivation of the Ft Hood shooter (assuming they ever do) it seems a little premature to label him a terrorist.

 

[Sword_Of_Truth]

Right... that cry of "Allahu Akbar" as he was mass murdering US servicemen could have been a reference to anything.

 

[Sword_Of_Truth]

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Strawman_argument

http://www.asa3.org/ASA/education/think/strawman.htm

http://www.wisegeek.com/what-is-a-straw-man-argument.htm

I posted several links just so there would be little confusion.



Baruch Goldstein was the right-wing fundamentalist Jew who ran into the Tomb of the Patriarchs in Hebron and massacred like 50 Muslim worshippers. Clearly a Jewish-extremist terrorist.

You prove my point, Parky. You've proven incapable of discussing radical islam without attempting to derail the discussion and turn it into bashing Israel.

So I'm tuning you out.

 

[triforcharity]

Fort Hood Texas, november 5th 2009. 13 killed in mass shooting attack by islamic terrorist.

Sorry if I am uninformed, as work sometimes keeps me away from things, but has this been confirmed??

I know there was some specualtion on that issue, but as of yet to my knowledge, it hasn't been confirmed.

PS, I see it from both sides. Both parky and SOT are right. He did terrorize our nation, but I believe he acted on his own accord, and not in connection with AQ or OBL. I could be wrong though. Wouldn't be the first time.

 

[Cl1mh4224rd]

point is, can the attack on Fort Hood be blamed on any known groups? no. no more then the murder of Yitzhak Rabin can be blamed on Likud....or the assassination of JFK can be blamed on the Cubans.

Timothy McVeigh and Terry Nichols weren't part of any group (in the context of the bombing), yet they are generally considered to be domestic terrorists.

 

[Thunder]

well, then i believe the proper term for these men is "lone wolf terrorist". to me, being a terrorist suggests involvement with a movement.

 

[BigAl]

well, then i believe the proper term for these men is "lone wolf terrorist". to me, being a terrorist suggests involvement with a movement.

The phase "leaderless resistance" is used by anti-government Militia folks and the people that try to keep track of the militia movement.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Leaderless_resistance​

I see no reason why the phrase "leaderless terrorism" isn't valid.

 

[gumboot]

Right... that cry of "Allahu Akbar" as he was mass murdering US servicemen could have been a reference to anything.

It's presumably a reference to the Muslim god. He might have committed the shootings because he's a Muslim and hates Americans. Unless he intended for his shootings to have some impact outside the immediate killings, it's still not terrorism - just religiously motivated mass murder.

Here's the formula for how terrorism works:

X did Y so that A would B.

Where X is the terrorist, Y is the terrorist act, A is a third-party entity, and B is some action desired by X.

Unless you can fill in all the blanks, it can't be terrorism. In this case:

"The Fort Hood shooter" did "a shooting rampage" so that A would B."

We need A and B before we can decide if he's a terrorist or not.

 

[332nd]

Right... that cry of "Allahu Akbar" as he was mass murdering US servicemen could have been a reference to anything.

Wow... I had no idea my teammate Munif was committing an act of terrorism before every football game! Or that Husam was when he played spades. Or Aafreen when she had an orgasam....