The Green New Deal

theprestige said:
Reduce pollution. Increase energy efficiency. Maintain a significant industrial base. The first two make things better regardless of what happens with the global climate. The third ensures that we have the capacity to adapt to changes in the environment.
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Just saw this...the GND includes something about that:
https://capitalandmain.com/green-new-deal-targets-link-between-trade-policy-and-climate-change-0208
While not fully fleshed out, the Green New Deal resolution appears to recognize the link between trade and climate change. The measure, which is sponsored by Rep. Alexandria Ocasio-Cortez (D-NY) and Sen. Ed Markey (MA), calls for “enacting and enforcing trade rules, procurement standards, and border adjustments with strong labor and environmental protections to stop the transfer of jobs and pollution overseas; and to grow domestic manufacturing in the United States.”
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:thumbsup:
 
smartcooky said:
Except, of course, you want your car battery fully charged for the commute the next morning.
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you have a car with a 300+ mile range and a 20 mile commute, only going for long drives twice a month. Putting aside 250 miles of energy storage when you don't need it, and keeping the last 50 miles for your comfort zone, isn't beyond reasonable. It is a possible scenario.
 
portlandatheist said:
you have a car with a 300+ mile range and a 20 mile commute, only going for long drives twice a month. Putting aside 250 miles of energy storage when you don't need it, and keeping the last 50 miles for your comfort zone, isn't beyond reasonable. It is a possible scenario.
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Oh, I'm fine with that, but I'd want some kind of circuitry in my car that stops it feeding the grid when the battery reaches some predetermined charge level - in this case, 50 miles
 
smartcooky said:
Oh, I'm fine with that, but I'd want some kind of circuitry in my car that stops it feeding the grid when the battery reaches some predetermined charge level - in this case, 50 miles
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If nothing else, it seems like you could use a timing device of some sort.
 
Basically, this:
 

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smartcooky said:
https://www.nature.com/articles/280665a0

https://newatlas.com/uranium-seawater/23826/

To paraphrase Samuel Johnson

"Sir, I have found you some articles, but I am not obliged to find you an understanding"
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theres newer extraction methods than that

PNNL and Idaho-based LCW took it a step further by taking ordinary acrylic yarn and converting it into a uranium adsorbent. The exact details of the process haven't been released, but PNNL says that the yellowcake sample shows that not only does the technique work, but that the acrylic can be cleaned and reused.

In addition, the technique can even use waste fibers for a greater cost savings and that analysis shows that seawater extraction could be competitive with land mining at present prices.
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https://newatlas.com/nuclear-uranium-seawater-fibers/55033/


theres no shortage of uranium
 
Zambo said:
Agreed we need storage, but why not. A 1000MW of storage might cost USD0.5 billion, a 1000MW power generator would cost over twice that. By getting a good mix between wind, solar and storage coal power can (indeed will) be replaced using existing technologies that are already operational around the world.

For households i think a Tesla Powerwall would cost from USD 5,000 to 15,000 per house and then get cheaper for condominiums. I doubt a car battery can power 10 houses, but if it could then at USD 15,000 for 10 houses no need to share with a car.
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Storage... we're talking about batteries, no? How do you safely dispose of those once they've outlived their usefulness?
 
kellyb said:
Basically, this:
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Hyperbole noted. This green deal is a flaming pile of **** and it nothing will ever happen regarding it and you know that

Let the Autocensor do its job. It gets cranky otherwise
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Zambo said:
I just thought about ethanol
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Belz... said:
I just thought about Scarlett Johansson, and I assure you, it's far more pleasant.
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RecoveringYuppy said:
She'll need lots of ethanol for that to happen.
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kellyb said:
Basically, this:
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This is increasingly my concern with American politics. You have one side proposing solutions to a problem that I may not personally like, or may be tragically flaw is some way. Let's name them the Democrats, just as an example.

You have another side denying the problem exists and doing nothing about. Let's call them the Republicans.

If you accept that the problem is real, you really don't have any options. The options are faulty solution, or denialism.
 
SuburbanTurkey said:
This is increasingly my concern with American politics. You have one side proposing solutions to a problem that I may not personally like, or may be tragically flaw is some way. Let's name them the Democrats, just as an example.

You have another side denying the problem exists and doing nothing about. Let's call them the Republicans.

If you accept that the problem is real, you really don't have any options. The options are faulty solution, or denialism.
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The status quo is much better than faulty Solutions. And you were being kind by calling this green deal a faulty solution. This is not a solution in any way shape or manner that will ever be implemented in any way shape or form
 
Belz... said:
I've already addressed this. The statu quo will cause a catastrophic increase in temperatures. How is that better?
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The Green New Deal won't stop the temperature increase, but will cripple our ability to adapt to it.
 
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