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The Great Coverup.

Well this Thread Aged well seeing Trump was Just convicted of seventeen Tax Felonies, the State of New York is Investigating him for Criminal actions, over his hiring fixers and Election Fraud with Michael Cohen, and his other Criminal Connections.
The state of Georga and the DOJ likely to Indict him, and everything else that proves the GQP would Bend over backwards and do back flips just to kiss his Ring.
Wonder why a GQP up too it's eyebrows in Russian Fossil Fuel Money, would ever protect Russian useful Idiots, like Trump, and his allies, as I live in the Most Corupt Red State in the Nation?
Kentucky, courpted by Big Coal money invested in Oil and Gas in Russia durring the 1990s ?
Oh that's right I am just Crazy it's part of my Name even.
 
Crazy Chainsaw said:
Well this Thread Aged well seeing Trump was Just convicted of seventeen Tax Felonies, the State of New York is Investigating him for Criminal actions, over his hiring fixers and Election Fraud with Michael Cohen, and his other Criminal Connections.
The state of Georga and the DOJ likely to Indict him, and everything else that proves the GQP would Bend over backwards and do back flips just to kiss his Ring.
Wonder why a GQP up too it's eyebrows in Russian Fossil Fuel Money, would ever protect Russian useful Idiots, like Trump, and his allies, as I live in the Most Corupt Red State in the Nation?
Kentucky, courpted by Big Coal money invested in Oil and Gas in Russia durring the 1990s ?
Oh that's right I am just Crazy it's part of my Name even.
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Ah the devil is in the details
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A Manhattan jury has found two Trump Organization companies guilty on multiple charges of criminal tax fraud and falsifying business records connected to a 15-year scheme to defraud tax authorities by failing to report and pay taxes on compensation for top executives.

The Trump Corp. and Trump Payroll Corp. were found guilty on all charges they faced.

Donald Trump and his family were not charged in this case, but the former president was mentioned repeatedly during the trial by prosecutors about his connection to the benefits doled out to certain executives, including company-funded apartments, car leases and personal expenses.
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https://www.cnn.com/2022/12/06/politics/trump-organization-fraud-trial-verdict/index.html

So no Trump however much you dislike him was not found guilty of anything, namely because he wasn't charged. Now I wonder why that was?
 
theprestige said:
The only corruption I'm seeing right now is in the system that led you to claim Trump had been convicted of crimes he wasn't even charged with.
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Doesn't he sign the Checks for the Trump Organization is there another reason it has the Name Trump on it? This only leads support to the Thread of Course he Knew what was going on!
 
Former accountant and auditor here. The fact that Trump personally signed some of the checks in question does not establish that he knew what was going on. It's perfectly plausible that given his high levels of ignorance and laziness, plus the fact that he's not nearly as smart as he thinks he is, that he didn't. Further, there are many cases where lower-ranking officials in an organization have been able to subvert that organization's internal controls.
 
SpitfireIX said:
Former accountant and auditor here. The fact that Trump personally signed some of the checks in question does not establish that he knew what was going on. It's perfectly plausible that given his high levels of ignorance and laziness, plus the fact that he's not nearly as smart as he thinks he is, that he didn't. Further, there are many cases where lower-ranking officials in an organization have been able to subvert that organization's internal controls.
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even according to Trump himself, he was under more-or-less constant IRS Audit.
That alone is enough to require a higher level of scrutiny when it comes to signing checks.
 
The Great Zaganza said:
even according to Trump himself, he was under more-or-less constant IRS Audit.
That alone is enough to require a higher level of scrutiny when it comes to signing checks.
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Yep according too Trump a fly on the wall didn't get smeared with Ketchup unless he was involved, though Trump definitely doesn’t have many Marbles, I doubt he could even play a game of onezzes.
 
The Great Zaganza said:
even according to Trump himself, he was under more-or-less constant IRS Audit.
That alone is enough to require a higher level of scrutiny when it comes to signing checks.
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You're ascribing a "reasonable person" standard to Trump. You might want to rethink that. My opinion is that if they had sufficient evidence that he was involved, he would have been charged.

ETA: And he may well be charged with something (or, more likely, multiple things) at some point, but not necessarily in this case.
 
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SpitfireIX said:
You're ascribing a "reasonable person" standard to Trump. You might want to rethink that. My opinion is that if they had sufficient evidence that he was involved, he would have been charged.

ETA: And he may well be charged with something (or, more likely, multiple things) at some point, but not necessarily in this case.
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I think they had enough evidence, but they also had a CEO who would swear it was all HIM, no Trump involvement at all.

That adds up to a verdict overturned on appeal.
 
Crazy Chainsaw said:
Doesn't he sign the Checks for the Trump Organization is there another reason it has the Name Trump on it? This only leads support to the Thread of Course he Knew what was going on!
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The point being that Trump was not found guilty as you asserted, and currently IS NOT under indictment for what you asserted he was convicted of, you are spreading misinformation, just as misinformation was spread about covid-19, JFK, 9/11, etc. Did you do this purposely? I highly doubt it. Either way, what this shows is how our own biases can influence our opinions to the extent of making unreasonable and false statements. Becoming defensive about it and trying to rationalize your comment is also along the lines of every conspiracy theory out there. We must all be careful not to fall into the cesspool such behaviors create, as some never extract themselves. When I have found myself doing this (or as it has been pointed out to me, also), I now try to admit my mistake(s) and learn from it(them). It isn't easy, but I believe it is absolutely the correct thing to do.
 
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The Great Zaganza said:
True.
But he could have been - the evidence was there, the prosecutor just didn't think that it would be worth going that way.
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Exactly and he could be charged in the Future remember this was the Civil part of the case, not a criminal case, but a civil case. They don't Indict in Civil cases but the Jury can find all parties Guilty just the same because they are part of the organization that committed the crime.
The Criminal case is Now ongoing it may infact Indict Trump.
 
The Great Zaganza said:
True.
But he could have been - the evidence was there, the prosecutor just didn't think that it would be worth going that way.
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Crazy Chainsaw said:
Exactly and he could be charged in the Future remember this was the Civil part of the case, not a criminal case, but a civil case. They don't Indict in Civil cases but the Jury can find all parties Guilty just the same because they are part of the organization that committed the crime.
The Criminal case is Now ongoing it may infact Indict Trump.
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Odd that you are still missing the point. Woulda', coulda', shoulda, and everything else written so far in this regard, is just conjecture. Now, I could understand if you were just doing a normal critique of the Man's transgressions and/or possible upcoming legal charges, but recall this latest discussion has been predicated on Crazy Chainsaw's false claim that "Well this Thread Aged well seeing Trump was Just convicted of seventeen Tax Felonies..." And so far, the comments by both Crazy Chainsaw and The Great Zaganza, have only been supporting some justification of the comment without any retraction. Perhaps that was not your intent, but it comes across (at least to me) as deceptive and dishonest. If you had at least acknowledged the error, and then continued to discuss the reasons you believe he SHOULD be charged, that would be different. The reason I bring this up is that is how CTists operate. They ignore their mistakes and continue to waffle on about irrelevant peripherals.
 
MBDK said:
Odd that you are still missing the point. Woulda', coulda', shoulda, and everything else written so far in this regard, is just conjecture. Now, I could understand if you were just doing a normal critique of the Man's transgressions and/or possible upcoming legal charges, but recall this latest discussion has been predicated on Crazy Chainsaw's false claim that "Well this Thread Aged well seeing Trump was Just convicted of seventeen Tax Felonies..." And so far, the comments by both Crazy Chainsaw and The Great Zaganza, have only been supporting some justification of the comment without any retraction. Perhaps that was not your intent, but it comes across (at least to me) as deceptive and dishonest. If you had at least acknowledged the error, and then continued to discuss the reasons you believe he SHOULD be charged, that would be different. The reason I bring this up is that is how CTists operate. They ignore their mistakes and continue to waffle on about irrelevant peripherals.
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Read the fine Print I did acknowledge the Error it's a Civil Case where individuals can not be indicted, the criminal cases are on going.
It's pretty clear Trump has always viewed himself above the Law, and Republicans have went along with that for years. He has always used Legal Tricks, fixers and extremists to protect himself and his cohorts and would continue too do so if he were not now caught.
 
Crazy Chainsaw said:
Read the fine Print I did acknowledge the Error it's a Civil Case where individuals can not be indicted, the criminal cases are on going.
It's pretty clear Trump has always viewed himself above the Law, and Republicans have went along with that for years. He has always used Legal Tricks, fixers and extremists to protect himself and his cohorts and would continue too do so if he were not now caught.
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Here is you post where you claim to have acknowledged your error.

Crazy Chainsaw said:
Exactly and he could be charged in the Future remember this was the Civil part of the case, not a criminal case, but a civil case. They don't Indict in Civil cases but the Jury can find all parties Guilty just the same because they are part of the organization that committed the crime.
The Criminal case is Now ongoing it may infact Indict Trump.
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But I find no admission of error just continued lawyer tricks. And then start on a possible criminal case.

ETA: This would be an admission I admit I was wrong in that Trump was not charged with anything.
 
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