The Gravy Debunks Robert Steele Thread

[sleahead]

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You do have the whole issue of the security cameras being disengaged, the bomb sniffing dogs being removed, the family ties with Bush -

That could have come from any CT website, rather than the inside knowledge of an ex-CIA man. He is troubled by the Bush family ties? Then why this later in the prisonplanet piece:

Before the 2004 election Steele advocated the re-election of George W Bush

 

[Foolmewunz]

Following up on Bonavada's comment, I went hunting for Steele's CT writings. I was curious as to why Robert David Steele has never shown up before in tha annals of CT lit. I mean this is a legitimate CIA guy; apparently his bio checks out sufficiently for Time to cite it at any rate.

First though, ...... Alas, I can't get the AJ podcast to download, but I'm notoriously technically challenged, so if anyone actually wants to here the ex-spook, here's the link.http://www.911podcasts.com/files/audio/alex-jones/aj_2006-10-26.mp3


Back to the lookup of Steele.... I did some digging into the various blogspots and found a little background on the interview. (Steele has numerous Google hits for his stuff on shared intelligence networks. Not germane to his 911 issues, I didn't read them, so sue me.)

Apparently he came to 911 fame as a result of a book review of "9/11: Synthetic Terror" that he did for Amazon (as a "reader"). He's evidently one of their more prolific contributors. All kudos to Marky's friends over at SLC..... here's the link and a few choice quotes from that review. I'd post the whole thing, but I'm not sure of copyright on a book review......

126 of 149 people found the following review helpful:

Among Hundreds of Books, The Strongest Approach to Truth, October 7, 2006
Reviewer: Robert D. Steele (Oakton, VA United States) - See all my reviews

It is with great sadness that I conclude that this book is the strongest of the 770+ books I have reviewed here at Amazon, almost all non-fiction. I am forced to conclude that 9/11 was at a minimum allowed to happen as a pretext for war (see my review of Jim Bamford's "Pretext for War"), and I am forced to conclude that there is sufficient evidence to indict (not necessarily convict) Dick Cheney, Karl Rove and others of a neo-conservative coup d'etat and kick-off of the clash of civilizations (see my review of "Crossing the Rubicon" as well as "State of Denial").

..... and others close to the Wall Street gangs, are the most guilty of state-sponsored terrorism.

The author is especially compelling in condemning Rudy Guilliani as part of the conspiracy, and as the "bud" of the extreme right charged with cleaning up the crime scene. Instead of making the area off-limits, Gulliani moved aggressively to "scoop and dump" to the point that firefighters rioted.

In fairness to Dick Cheney, I also wonder if he is not the fall guy for Wall Street and the gnomes of Zurich. I am waiting for him to have a heart attack while getting a routine medical check-up....the Ken Lay defense, but imposed by those who are willing to assassinate the John Kennedy's and Bobby Kennedy's of our world.

http://www.amazon.com/dp/0930852370

Sounds like a rational guy to me. No axes to grind or anything like that!

 

[MarkyX]

I see a lot of opinion from the Infowars article, but no evidence has been bought up for debate. He talks about WTC7..again..but doesn't offer anything new.

 

[bonavada]

Following up on Bonavada's comment, I went hunting for Steele's CT writings. <snip>

http://www.amazon.com/dp/0930852370

Sounds like a rational guy to me. No axes to grind or anything like that!

suuuuuuuuuuuuuuuure..:-}

i haven't got much time today. "she who must be obeyed" has her shopping talons out.
don't ask me why but i've a hunch that steeles CD opinions (if any) may be just concerned with WT7.
anyway will check back later for any US response. and maybe a bit of R n R debunking his arse......let's hope it's more fun than christophera's concrete core.

BV

 

[Foolmewunz]

Opinion is Not Evidence

I see a lot of opinion from the Infowars article, but no evidence has been bought up for debate. He talks about WTC7..again..but doesn't offer anything new.

Actually, I was just sitting here marvelling at this new trend - that opinion is an acceptable substitute for evidence. And since we're all just sheeple following Gravy*, I'll tackle the opening round on this one for US, (just imagine me younger, better versed in the documented history, and a lot more prolific a poster).

Steele 1 - An article about an interview. At least listen to the interview if this is your new guru. But it contains Steele's opinions, not evidence. You and Russ seem to think that opinions are accepted as proof.

Steele 2 - An ancient article referring to his proposals for interlinking intelligence services (or something like that - it was boring and totally absent any comments about 9/11). What are we to "debunk".

Steele 3 - A copy of the Wikipedia entry for Steele. It's the guy's bio. Nothing here to debunk either. (Curious sidenote - no mention of his 9/11 theories, or of the names of any of his sources for same.)

I truly thought you had something, US. You're selling this guy as the second coming! He's just the flavor of the week.

Russ and you and the new wave (after LC cannibalized itself) are going to be around here a long time, I think. Not because you're winning anything, scaring anyone, or proving anything. You're arguing from opinion (personal incredulity if you want the rhetorical term), and no one can ever prove your or my opinion correct if it's down to a matter of taste.

You choose to accept the authority of a former spook with anti-illuminati/anti-nwo views. (Bit of nostalgia there - him referring to the gnomes of Zurich.) I can't sway you.

I choose to think he's a lightweight and that his CIA credentials are about as relevant to his supposed insights as Henry Aaron's homerun count would be to running MLB. Yeah, they both toiled in the fields of the profession, but I'd like to see some evidence of administrative abilities before I turned the Yankees over to Hammerin' Hank.

From his comments, I'd say Steele isn't terribly afraid of repercussions from the evil gubmint. So why doesn't he post some evidence? He's got credentials. The folks at Time would likely be very interested in the documents that prove the WTC 7 was demolition. I'm sure there are a lot of reputable news orgs out there who'd love to see the minutes of his meetings with the folks at Google, or look into his evidence as to just what he's seen that makes Cheney impeachable. Why does someone so well connected only espouse opinions and not show evidence? Truly! Think of that. If he's letting out secrets his life is in danger, so why would he just be flapping his jaws and risking a visit from a wet team, if he had any evidence.

If you're looking for someone to disprove who he is, you may have to wait. He's apparently a former intelligence officer of some sort. I have no idea what a GS-14 is, but I believe there are people here who might be able to say whether that was really the "second to top dog" position he indicates. I have no reason to disbelieve his credentials, per se.

*You really have to get over this gunslinger mentality. The LC minions all think that there's no one over here who can think, and that it's an organized movement. It doesn't exist. We respect Gravy's work and the passion he has for the topic. But we are not all of the same political stripe, philosophical bent, or theistic beliefs. Gravy's in New York, I'm in Hong Kong, Gumboot's in New Zealand, Mark Iridian is in Canada, R.Mackey's in LAX.....

 

[WildCat]

the demands by US are totally unrealistic and intellectually lazy.

I disagree. Posting a link is at the top of US's abilities. It took him weeks to figure out how to do it, we should applaud him for his efforts and all he's accomplished despite having an IQ below 70. Good for you US!

 

[Usual Suspect]

*You really have to get over this gunslinger mentality. The LC minions all think that there's no one over here who can think, and that it's an organized movement. It doesn't exist. We respect Gravy's work and the passion he has for the topic. But we are not all of the same political stripe, philosophical bent, or theistic beliefs. Gravy's in New York, I'm in Hong Kong, Gumboot's in New Zealand, Mark Iridian is in Canada, R.Mackey's in LAX.....

This I have to laugh at. You'll say LC thinks no one can think here but you'll say the same about them. However I'm not here for that or to reply to any of Wildcats below average intelligence posts.

After talking to a friend this morning. I have to admit what he said is right. This is a waste of time. Even if Gravy could debunk Steele it won't change my mind and there I'm not going to change your mind. It'll just be debating back and fourth with no clear end or outcome. For example, if you agree of not I'm not taking an NIST, FEMA or an gov't agency report on Building 7 as evidence. I feel it's slanted and always will. Thus any other evidence based on it proves nothing in my eyes. So we could go on and on as was/is shown in the other thread "NYPD/NYFD."

So no harm. no foul. I still don't see any debunking here of Steele. I do see a lot of opinion but..... I will let it go here. I don't know Gravy's true reasons for dodging Steele but who cares, it's a waste of time. So I'll let this thread and the Bartmer thread go and honestly, not even sure I'll return here. I heard there's some good natured debate on these forums but honestly, myself included.... I don't see it. I see alot od sarcasm and some people who feel like they're better than others. I will not speak bad of Garvy for being unable to debunk Steele and I will expect the same of him in return. So enjoy everyone. Not sure I'll be returning to these forums but that's only because me, Russ, Jess, Dazed and other debating you is as much a waste for us as it is for you. Have a good one.

 

[WildCat]

Even if Gravy could debunk Steele

This is where you go wrong. There's nothing there to debunk. How do you debunk an opinion? And frankly, that's all Steele has - undocumented opinion. No evidence to back up a damn thing he says. You've been asked repeatedly to provide what you think are his best arguments, and have been unable or unwilling to do so. This is why people here think you're just an idiot at best or a troll at worst.

Do you possess the ability to make an argument backed by evidence US? If so, you haven't shown it here. Perhaps you're just a kid still living at mama's house and will mature in time. I hope so, for your sake.

 

[Usual Suspect]

This is where you go wrong. There's nothing there to debunk. How do you debunk an opinion? And frankly, that's all Steele has - undocumented opinion. No evidence to back up a damn thing he says. You've been asked repeatedly to provide what you think are his best arguments, and have been unable or unwilling to do so. This is why people here think you're just an idiot at best or a troll at worst.

Do you possess the ability to make an argument backed by evidence US? If so, you haven't shown it here. Perhaps you're just a kid still living at mama's house and will mature in time. I hope so, for your sake.

But of course WildCat it's all opinion just like most views expressed by users here. No evidence to back up anything he says?? Wrong. Nothing you, a narrowminded person is willing to believe. Call it what it is. I can careless what people here think. I could say you're all idiots, morons at best but it's an opinion just like yours. I'm a kid who has to mature yet you continue to waste your time. So maybe you'll get over yourself, realize your not as smart as you like to think you are and no better than anyone else. I hope so, for your sake. Now are you better than me?? Can you let it go??

 

[WildCat]

No evidence to back up anything he says?? Wrong.

So his evidence is... (this is where you finish the sentence US. You claim he has evidence, please demonstrate this is so)

 

[Usual Suspect]

So his evidence is... (this is where you finish the sentence US. You claim he has evidence, please demonstrate this is so)

I'd rather point out how your mature self was able to walk away. Bye WildCat. Hope you get over yourself one day.

 

[cloudshipsrule]

Posted by UsualSus

I still don't see any debunking here of Steele.

Perhaps I'm late to the party, but what in hell is supposed to be debunked in the links you provided in the OP? Is someone saying Steele does not have the experience he says he has? Is the point of thisdebunking challenge to see if someone (Gravy) can prove that Steele is making up his history of employment/education?

Regardless, what is the point? Steele's opinions are just that, and everyone has an elbow. I'd rather trust the opinions of individuals who have actual DEGREES in the particular field of science applying to the topic they are talking about. I would not put a lot of faith in the opinion of an acclaimed French Chef on something as difficult to grasp as the mechanism of collapse of the WTC's.

Steeles credentials lend no credence to his opinions on the events of 9/11 concerning the buildings which comprised the World Trade Center complex.

 

[twinstead]

I think strawberry is the best flavor of ice cream.

Go ahead. Debunk that.

 

[uk_dave]

What are your connections to the strawberry growing industry?

 

[Dog Town]

What are your connections to the strawberry growing industry?

Hell... I know atleast a thousand Mexicans!

 

[WildCat]

I'd rather point out how your mature self was able to walk away. Bye WildCat. Hope you get over yourself one day.

Once again, US runs away like a sissy when pressed to present some evidence.

Buh-bye!

 

[twinstead]

What are your connections to the strawberry growing industry?

I swear they just gave me a loan, just enough to get out of debt, and I'm going to pay them back, I promise.

 

[Hutch]

If you're looking for someone to disprove who he is, you may have to wait. He's apparently a former intelligence officer of some sort. I have no idea what a GS-14 is, but I believe there are people here who might be able to say whether that was really the "second to top dog" position he indicates. I have no reason to disbelieve his credentials, per se.

Just for the record, GS-14 is a high grade, but not one of the top-level managers. My Branch Chief here in Alabama was a GS-14 (bossed maybe 15-18 people). I personally am a GS-13 and while I have some responsibility, I certainly don't have "next to top dog" level credentials.

Plus Washington, being the heart of Government and expensive to live in, has a large number of GS-14 level personnel.

Just a reference point.

 

[R.Mackey]

Just for the record, GS-14 is a high grade, but not one of the top-level managers. My Branch Chief here in Alabama was a GS-14 (bossed maybe 15-18 people). I personally am a GS-13 and while I have some responsibility, I certainly don't have "next to top dog" level credentials.

Plus Washington, being the heart of Government and expensive to live in, has a large number of GS-14 level personnel.

Just a reference point.

Correct. I believe "Top Dog" is called SES, or "Special Executive Service." Different classification entirely.

Anybody with more info, please feel free to correct me.

 

[defaultdotxbe]

Correct. I believe "Top Dog" is called SES, or "Special Executive Service." Different classification entirely.

Anybody with more info, please feel free to correct me.

i beleive SES goes as high as GS-18, so 14 is hardly "second highest ranking"

although i guess its possible there isnt anyone currently at those higher pay grades