The Gravy Debunks Craig Bartmer Thread

[goombah111]

Oh joy, raising an 18 year old thread to zombie status.

I thought 18 years might be a new record.

The chiefs gave their experiences and you can interpret their words how you please, I did not make any claims based on these quotes. If you'd like context, the original sources can be provided. Typically context does nothing but strengthen the ideas conveyed in the quotes but occasionally there are some additions along the lines of "apparently, I was told, the explosions were caused by something else". Regardless, their experiences are to be valued and their interpretations considered. I don't care much for what they think caused the explosion, but to some that's important.

 

[Orphia Nay]

Ah, a no-claimer.

 

[Cosmic Yak]

I thought 18 years might be a new record.

The chiefs gave their experiences and you can interpret their words how you please, I did not make any claims based on these quotes. If you'd like context, the original sources can be provided. Typically context does nothing but strengthen the ideas conveyed in the quotes but occasionally there are some additions along the lines of "apparently, I was told, the explosions were caused by something else". Regardless, their experiences are to be valued and their interpretations considered. I don't care much for what they think caused the explosion, but to some that's important.

So why are you posting these quotes?

 

[Norman Alexander]

Did you know that if you clap your hands loudly in an underpass, it sounds just like a gunshot. But whenever you hear that sound, it's always gonna be a gunshot, never anything else.

Right?

 

[Ranb]

Let's ask some chiefs....

Source for your quotes? Or should I assume that you just made them up?

Ranb

 

[kookbreaker]

I thought 18 years might be a new record.

Its kind of a dick move. Most of the participants in this thread have moved on.

The chiefs gave their experiences and you can interpret their words how you please, I did not make any claims based on these quotes. If you'd like context, the original sources can be provided. Typically context does nothing but strengthen the ideas conveyed in the quotes but occasionally there are some additions along the lines of "apparently, I was told, the explosions were caused by something else". Regardless, their experiences are to be valued and their interpretations considered. I don't care much for what they think caused the explosion, but to some that's important.

If you aren't going to stand by your obvious implications, why did you bother?

 

[gypsyjackson]

Hang on, wasn’t there another guy whose username ended 111 and whose shtick was resurrecting old threads? And mentioned records.

ETA: it was Dude111

 

[bknight]

Let's ask some chiefs

"We were there, I don't know, maybe 10, 15 minutes and then I just remember there was just an explosion. It seemed like on television when they blow up these buildings. It seemed like it was going all the way around like a belt, all these explosions."
-Fire Battalion Chief Dennis Kenahan

“Somewhere around the middle of the World Trade Center, there was this orange and red flash coming out. Initially it was just one flash. Then this flash just kept popping all the way around the building and that building had started to explode. The popping sound, and with each popping sound it was initially an orange and then red flash came out of the building and then it would just go all around the building on both sides as far as I could see. These popping sounds and the explosions were getting bigger, going both up and down and then all around the building."
-FDNY Captain Karin Deshore

“I was ... hearing a noise and looking up.... The lowest floor of fire in the south tower actually looked like someone had planted explosives around it because ... everything blew out on the one floor. I thought, geez, this looks like an explosion up there, it blew out.”
-Battalion Chief Brian Dixon


"While I was still in that immediate area, the south tower, 2 World Trade Center, there was what appeared to be at first an explosion. It appeared at the very top, simultaneously from all four sides, materials shot out horizontally. And then there seemed to be a momentary delay before you could see the beginning of the collapse."
-FDNY Chief Frank Cruthers


"Then we heard a loud explosion or what sounded like a loud explosion and looked up and saw Tower to start coming down. Crazy."
-Fire Battalion Chief John Sudnik

Sounded like an explosion and being an explosion are way different. There were no signs of any explosion in the pile of buildings, that was cleaned up and stored in a separate location for analysis. I rather image the compressed air between the floors might sound like an explosion, but wasn't.

 

[beachnut]

Simile Strikes Again

I thought 18 years might be a new record.

The chiefs gave their experiences and you can interpret their words how you please, I did not make any claims based on these quotes. If you'd like context, the original sources can be provided. Typically context does nothing but strengthen the ideas conveyed in the quotes but occasionally there are some additions along the lines of "apparently, I was told, the explosions were caused by something else". Regardless, their experiences are to be valued and their interpretations considered. I don't care much for what they think caused the explosion, but to some that's important.

Simile to fuel crazy, evidence free conspiracy theories. over 22 years

Ignoring 19 terrorists mislead by UBL using four airliners who killed my fellow Americans.

 

[Mark F]

The chiefs gave their experiences and you can interpret their words how you please,

How about instead of interpreting anyone's words how we please, why doesn't someone just ask these guys what they meant since they are all still alive!!!

Why doesn't anyone ever think to do that? Just go straight to the source and ask for more detail from these key critical witnesses?

It would certainly be better than the (all too typical) Brave Sir Robin routine you are trying to pull here.