The Gospel

delphi_ote said:
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Now, if you believe that the Bible is God's word - what were Jesus's LAST words on the cross? If he actually had the time (or inclination, or script) to say ALL of those things, certainly one of the three was last - which one was it? It can't be all of them.
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"At least people can finally say I was well hung."
 
Mephisto said:
Are you positive?

I could have sworn they were: "My God, my God, why have you forsaken me!" (Mark 15:34-5 and Matthew 27:46)

or maybe

"Father, into thy hands I commend my spirit." (Luke 23:46)

So, there you have it. Three different versions by three different people stating what Jesus said as he died. The quotation from John sounds almost exasperated, as though Jesus was almost glad his tribulation was over. The quotation by Mark & Matthew sounds quite a bit more angry and accusatory, and the last (by Luke) sounds as though everything is going according to plan.

Now, if you believe that the Bible is God's word - what were Jesus's LAST words on the cross? If he actually had the time (or inclination, or script) to say ALL of those things, certainly one of the three was last - which one was it? It can't be all of them.
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You alluded to the same point just recently in another thread, although I'm not sure if you saw my response. What's the point of the "last words" line of questioning? It doesn't seem to lead to a logical contradiction, just an interpretive ambiguity.
 
ceo_esq said:
You alluded to the same point just recently in another thread, although I'm not sure if you saw my response. What's the point of the "last words" line of questioning? It doesn't seem to lead to a logical contradiction, just an interpretive ambiguity.
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If you pair this contradiction with the "The Bible is Perfect" argument, it most certainly is a logical contradiction. The divinely inspired Word of God is ambiguous and open to interpretation, because the Big Guy wrote the same scene three times and couldn't keep each version consistent.
 
It dosen't matter one damn bit about contradictions because we know where the bible stories come from and it is NOT by any god!!!
 
ceo_esq said:
It doesn't seem to lead to a logical contradiction, just an interpretive ambiguity.
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Are you saying that "It is finished!", "Father, into thy hands I commend my spirit." and "My God, my God, why have you forsaken me!" are just different interpretations of the same statement?

The "Why have you forsaken me" bit is so different than the others, I don't see how you can claim that it is an interpretation issue.
 
delphi_ote said:
If you pair this contradiction with the "The Bible is Perfect" argument, it most certainly is a logical contradiction. The divinely inspired Word of God is ambiguous and open to interpretation, because the Big Guy wrote the same scene three times and couldn't keep each version consistent.
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But there's no formal inconsistency among the various accounts of the "last words" (that was discussed in this thread). So where does the logical contradiction come from? There must be better examples of Biblical contradictions than this.
 
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You have been seriously mislead if that is what you beleive.
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Ahem, that''s what the bible says.

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Exodus 22:20: He that sacrificeth unto any god, save unto the Lord only, he shall be utterly destroyed.


Leviticus 24:16: And he that blasphemeth the name of the Lord, he shall surely be put to death.


Exodus 31:15: Whosoever doeth any work in the Sabbath day, he shall surely be put to death.

Exodus 21:15-17: He that smiteth his father, or his mother, shall be surely put to death.

And he that stealeth a man, and selleth him, or if he be found in his hand, he shall surely be put to death.

He that curseth his father or his mother, shall surely be put to death.

Exodus 21:22-24: If men strive, and hurt a woman with child, so that her fruit depart from her, and yet no mischief follow: he shall be surely punished, according as the woman’s husband will lay upon him; and he shall pay as the judges determine.

And if any mischief follow, then thou shalt give life for life,

Eye for eye, tooth for tooth, hand for hand, foot for foot,

Burning for burning, wound for wound, stripe for stripe.



Exodus 22:19: Whosoever lieth with a beast shall surely be put to death.

Exodus 27-28: I will send my fear before thee, and will destroy all the people to whom thou shalt come, and I will make all thine enemies turn their backs unto thee.

And I will send hornets before thee, which shall drive out the Hivite, the Canaanite, and the Hittite, from before thee.


Leviticus 20: 13: If a man lie with mankind, as he lieth with a woman, both of them have committed an abomination: they shall surely be put to death.


Leviticus 20:10: And the man that committeth adultery with another man's wife, the adulterer and the adulteress shall be put to death.


Mark 16:16: He that believeth not, shall be damned.


Malachi 2:1-4: And now, O ye priests, this commandment is for you. If you will not hear, and if ye will not lay it to heart to give glory to my name, ... behold, I will corrupt your seed, and spread dung upon your faces.

Wow, for an infinitely merciful god, he's sure harsh.

Deuteronomy 18: 13: Thou shalt be perfect with the LORD thy God.

That's right, it takes a REAL god to make flawed human beings, and then insist they be perfect.

edit: Changed "Deuteronomy 18[colon]13:" to the above. [colon]13 does this: :13: which is awesome.
 
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ceo_esq said:
But there's no formal inconsistency among the various accounts of the "last words" (that was discussed in this thread). So where does the logical contradiction come from? There must be better examples of Biblical contradictions than this.
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You can square any contradiction in any text this way. Each of the accounts is clearly talking about the last words the man uttered. Each account is supposedly written by a disciple who followed Jesus everywhere. Can we really entertain the notion that some of them would neglect to write down this man's last words?

And if you want a more direct contradiction, what was written above Jesus on the cross? Nobody seems to be able to agree on that...

Matthew 27:37
Mark 15:26
Luke 23:38
John 19:19
 
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