The Gospel

kurious_kathy said:
I had a Christian girlfriend of mine call me summer before last when my life was in absolute mismay. Out of the blue she asked me if I was ok because even though we havent talked for several months she said God put it on her heart to pray for me and call me. Boy was I glad for that because I had just been beaten up by someone I had been close to for a couple years and this person had almost left me for dead. I won't go into the gorey details but this person I should clearly have not associated with.
At the same time CD was in Hawaii with my kids on vacation and he said the day this happened the Holy Spirit prompted him to start praying for me because that person had just beaten me up. I never told him that. Don't you find that a bit amazing 2 different people at the same time praying for me in my time of trouble? This of course was before my turn around in Nov of 2004.
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Um, why wouldn't God have sent a neighbor to call the police? Or sent your husband home (come to think of it, why were your husband and kids vacationing in Hawaii without you? But that's neither here nor there.)

Sure, that's nice that two people were praying for you.

But wouldn't it have made more sense if there were those people there to keep you from getting beaten up instead?

Christ, your god is an impotent prick.
 
Jas said:
Um, why wouldn't God have sent a neighbor to call the police? Or sent your husband home (come to think of it, why were your husband and kids vacationing in Hawaii without you? But that's neither here nor there.)

Sure, that's nice that two people were praying for you.

But wouldn't it have made more sense if there were those people there to keep you from getting beaten up instead?

This happened when no one was around to hear it.

This also happened while my husband and I were in the middle of the divorce paperwork, July 2004. In Dec of 2004 I pulled the divorce papers, just a few months later. I was in the process of my second divorce with four kids.
I was not living a life of faith at that time and my life became an utter mess.

I really don't like to talk about it...it's in the past now.
It was a very hard learning experience if you ask me. Seems I always learned things the hard way. In a way I did go to college, it's called the school of hard knocks, ever heard of it?

Do you know anyone else like that? They go through things and then they get it? Anyway I am greatful to be turned back around now. At least I learned from right? And so greatful my husband and kids forgave me to.
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kurious_kathy said:
This also happened while my husband and I were in the middle of the divorce paperwork, July 2004. In Dec of 2004 I pulled the divorce papers, just a few months later. I was in the process of my second divorce with four kids.
I was not living a life of faith at that time and my life became an utter mess.
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Also, you didn't bother to answer Jas' question. Why didn't this god of yours simply smite the guy with a lightning bolt, (or whatever smiting tool was handy), rather than waiting for you to get beaten up and then prodding people far away to start praying for you?

Certainly sounds like a sadistic bugger to me!
 
kmortis said:
KK, no offence, but you are not the only one here with a life. I work full time and then I go to my job. So, I don't think that pity card will work. We understand that life intrudes on our fun here at times, but you don't need to keep bringing it up.
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OK...so that's TWO people on the forum that have lives. I'm not so sure that there's many more. ;)
 
Freakshow said:
3,275 posts since June of 2005? Yeah...SURE you have a life. :D

I'm not too far behind, but I have the same excuse you do: I'm sitting in front of a computer all the time, anyway! :)
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Considering how much time I spend on my laptop doing other things than using the net, I am amazed how many posts I've crammed in.


That said, 99% of them are probably crap.
 
fowlsound said:
Considering how much time I spend on my laptop doing other things than using the net, I am amazed how many posts I've crammed in.


That said, 99% of them are probably crap.
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How do you do it? I seem to never have enough time to do it all? I try but, Oh well make the most of the time everyday that we can. Sometimes I wish I did not require sleep.
 
kurious_kathy said:
How do you do it? I seem to never have enough time to do it all? I try but, Oh well make the most of the time everyday that we can. Sometimes I wish I did not require sleep.
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What is this "sleep" you speak of?

Between my day job at the bank, the production company I'm running and my fiancee I don't sleep much at all.
 
kurious_kathy said:
This happened when no one was around to hear it.
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So no one was around to hear it, yet God chose to alert someone in Hawaii? If he can do that, surely he could alert someone who was in a position to actually HELP you?

And what would be the point of the person in Hawaii praying? If God alerted him, the clearly God knows what's going on. And if God doesn't work by directly interfering in people's lives, what good does it do you to have someone else praying for you, if God isn't going to bend his rules anyway?

Hmmm....so, if I were to put this in kind of a sequence of events, God could have done this:

Someone's going to beat up Kathy! ====> God alerts nearby neighbor that something is happening =====> Neighbor goes to house, hears screams, alerts police ======> Police step in, arrest the perpetrator, get Kathy medical attention.

Instead, God does this:

Someone's beating up Kathy !======>God alerts estranged husband in Hawaii, who starts praying =====>After the fact, God alerts a friend, who is too far away to do anything======> Kathy still gets beat up

So what was the point?

ETA: Oh, and if I was God:

Someone wants to beat up Kathy =======> A rock from the sky drops onto the assailant, killing him.

(This is assuming I like you)
 
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fowlsound said:
What is this "sleep" you speak of?

Between my day job at the bank, the production company I'm running and my fiancee I don't sleep much at all.
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It must be Fowlsound Productions that's doing it. I have a day job, and me and Steve get plenty of hot kinky gay sex, and I still sleep 9-10 hours a day.
 
Jas said:
So no one was around to hear it, yet God chose to alert someone in Hawaii? If he can do that, surely he could alert someone who was in a position to actually HELP you?

And what would be the point of the person in Hawaii praying? If God alerted him, the clearly God knows what's going on. And if God doesn't work by directly interfering in people's lives, what good does it do you to have someone else praying for you, if God isn't going to bend his rules anyway?

Hmmm....so, if I were to put this in kind of a sequence of events, God could have done this:

Someone's going to beat up Kathy! ====> God alerts nearby neighbor that something is happening =====> Neighbor goes to house, hears screams, alerts police ======> Police step in, arrest the perpetrator, get Kathy medical attention.

Instead, God does this:

Someone's beating up Kathy !======>God alerts estranged husband in Hawaii, who starts praying =====>After the fact, God alerts a friend, who is too far away to do anything======> Kathy still gets beat up

So what was the point?

ETA: Oh, and if I was God:

Someone wants to beat up Kathy =======> A rock from the sky drops onto the assailant, killing him.

(This is assuming I like you)
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I agree it would have been nice if a neighbor could have heard what was going on to come over and help. But that just did not happen. What is amazing is at the same time this was happening my husband knew it. I didn't say anything. He did not know where I was at the time. He put's it this way..."the Holy Spirit prompted him to pray." And right at the point where this person almost broke my neck...he let go. A certain pressence was there that stopped him. I say it was God.

I did have a point in bringing it up even though I don't like talking about what I went thru.

Over and over again on this thread people have asked me if I can show any evidence to why I believe in the Gospel of Jesus Christ. To me the gospel is about learning how to forgive others. It's an outward expression of an inward happeneing. Before I came to faith I was struggling with being able to forgive others that had hurt me. But now I have a way to do it!

To me this is a perfect example of the evidence in question. I have been trying to express to others why I believe.....when Christ came into my life I was able to truely start forgiving others and living a life of faith which is built more around the concept of forgiveness than doctrine. But then again I couldn't do it without believing God...Jesus showed me the way.

My life has changed because of one simple truth...isn't that evidence?
 
kurious_kathy said:
My life has changed because of one simple truth...isn't that evidence?
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No, not in the least. In fact, it makes me less likely to believe anything supernatural was involved. If the change had occured while all was going great and good things were happening, that would at least be slightly credible. For ages, cults and shysters have preyed on those who are near rock bottom, because those are the most gullible people, desperate to have something to cling to. They can be convinced by the most trivial of coincidences.
 
kurious_kathy said:
My life has changed because of one simple truth...isn't that evidence?
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If you feel that counts as evidence, fine. But then you also have to count as evidence the several people who have responded to you saying that rejecting their Christian upbringing was a positive life-changing experience.

Oh, but of course. . . they're being deceived by Satan, so their stories don't count. Right?

Kathy, this may be a bumpersticker quote, but it's something you should remember: "Minds are like parachutes - they only function when open." From reading your posts, I'd say your mind is dropping like a rock.
 
Terry said:
It must be Fowlsound Productions that's doing it. I have a day job, and me and Steve get plenty of hot kinky gay sex, and I still sleep 9-10 hours a day.
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yeah....the production company.....




yeah that's the ticket....
 
Genesius said:
If you feel that counts as evidence, fine. But then you also have to count as evidence the several people who have responded to you saying that rejecting their Christian upbringing was a positive life-changing experience.
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I understand that statement, I just don't understand why people want to abandon the faith. Do they just decide they want something else that within the faith they can not have? Or was it because maybe they saw too many people set a bad examples of what being a Christian is?

Could it be that God never left you.... even though you feel you left him?
 
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