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The Giuliani train wreck

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Anyone catch this story on Raw Story?

http://rawstory.com/news/2008/Giuliani_in_hole_over_campaign_debts_0213.html

Giuliani spent $1.3 million on air travel alone, shuffling around between luxury hotels and resorts while campaigning. I thought Dean's drunken sailor spending in Iowa would be impossible to top but it looks like Giuliani managed it, on top of that he's in so deep now he can barely service campaign debts. What a joke, I'm still trying to understand how this guy was considered front runner.
 
He was considered a front runner because in polls of the US as a whole he got the best numbers.
 
I don't know which is the more interesting story for this presidential election cycle - Giuliani's crash & burn or McCain's Christ-like resurrection. Sure McCain's move will get more historical notice, since he's the nominee, but the fall of Giuliani is something that electionologists will long ponder.

I think the turning point was the big splash revelation of his taxpayer-funded extramarital romps. I always thought it was stunning how well he polled, but then I realized that it was only because people didn't yet know him the way we in New York did already.
 
Giuliani could have won the nomination quite easily if he campaigned properly, it's not like he polled that poorly nationally, he just let all those primaries go by without getting any press so when the primaries he campaigned for came around, no one cared he was running anymore.

Ron Paul's campaign was bad, but Giuliani's was worse HE actually had a chance.
 
hgc said:
I think the turning point was the big splash revelation of his taxpayer-funded extramarital romps. I always thought it was stunning how well he polled, but then I realized that it was only because people didn't yet know him the way we in New York did already.
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I think the turning point was him deciding to not actually compete in any state but Florida.
 
corplinx said:
I think the turning point was him deciding to not actually compete in any state but Florida.
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There more money and time Giuliani spent in Iowa and New Hampshire, the less the voters like him. The Florida strategy was his only real option to bridge between the early primaries and what would hopefully be a better Super Tuesday. I just thought it was funny how much money he wasted on luxuries and how far into debt his campaign went.
 
The nomination was Guiliani's to lose and he did just that.

Not participating in the early primaries was a bonehead decision. Who was advising him?

He didn't have to win NH or Iowa, just compete. While they aren't mathematically important to the nomination, the media makes them seem so and momentum is a big thing. It influences the way people will vote and fundraising.

McCain's nomination may have more to do with Giuliani than McCain did.

Perhaps he will get a consolation prize with a cabinet position in a possible McCain Presidency.
 
corplinx said:
I think the turning point was him deciding to not actually compete in any state but Florida.
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It's darn difficult to win when you aren't campaigning, isn't it. We don't need to wait for the musing of future electionoligists to know his strategy was plain stupid.
 
Zen already pointed this out but it was not the original plan for 9/11 errr Guiliani to bypass Iowa and especially NH but the more he campaigns the more people don't like him. He ran the most fear inducing campaign in history and without a large direct threat that could actually end the US it was not going to work.
 
hgc said:
I think the turning point was the big splash revelation of his taxpayer-funded extramarital romps. I always thought it was stunning how well he polled, but then I realized that it was only because people didn't yet know him the way we in New York did already.
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That may have been the turning point, but I believe that there was a pretty innocuous explanation for the billing questions on the Hamptons trips. Link: http://www.nytimes.com/imagepages/2007/12/20/us/politics/20071221_GIULIANI_GRAPHIC.html

I think Joe Biden hit it on the head. Everything out of his mouth was "a noun, a verb, and 9/11".

I wanted to support his candidacy, not really because of the "leadership" he displayed on 9/11, but because I hoped he could wrestle control of the Republican party from the evangelicals and social conservatives.
 
boooeee said:
I think Joe Biden hit it on the head. Everything out of his mouth was "a noun, a verb, and 9/11".
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Nothing could be further than the truth. However, I do recognize that this lie was particularly viral.

Giuliani spent too much time talking about his record in New York defending his conservative credentials when he should have been on the offense talking about what he wanted to do.
 
corplinx said:
Nothing could be further than the truth. However, I do recognize that this lie was particularly viral.

Giuliani spent too much time talking about his record in New York defending his conservative credentials when he should have been on the offense talking about what he wanted to do.
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Giuliani spent most of his time and money defending his politics from the rest of his party.
 
Giuliani was just a media creation based on the impression he was a great leader post 9/11. (meanwhile, the moron's imcompetence of providing working radios to the firefighters, and then telling rescue workers that the air was clean, has caused dozens of deaths).

The guy married his second cousin for crying out loud. :jaw-dropp
 
Giuli - who? :)

Hafta go with wondering what the focus on Florida was all about. That was a pretty whacked strategy. On the other hand, if I'm gonna live high and stay in nice hotels, then Florida definitely makes sense.
 
I personally like the “Producers” theory of the Guiliani campaign. Raise $50 million for a presidential run, spend $30-40 million, fail spectacularly, pocket the remainder.
 
My first inclination of why Giuliani has failed was to believe that the right consists mostly of people of principles and values and that they rejected him because of those few key places they strongly disagreed with him. But this same group has rushed to embrace John McCain, so that throws that theory right out the window.
 
He didn't really get rejected. He just got into the game too late.

Waiting til Florida allowed McCain to pick up his votes, but Guiliani did get a lot of votes there.

If he would have stayed, he may have won some states and it would have made the race more fair and certainly more interesting.
 
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