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The Genesis Seal

You claim this, but in no way do you ever prove it.

There are two problems with this very claim.
First and foremost, your genesis seal is both incredibly complex and open to massive interpretation and needed literally years of your life to make. Given enough time the people of this forum could use it to show that the flying spaghetti monster exists, because certain letters that somehow pertain to food can be found in a shape that could be interpreted as a bowl of noodles with meatballs.
So as instructions go its worthless, its hard to find and everyone can use it to put in everything they want.

Which leads to the second point. The bible, or rather the hundreds of versions of the bible is/are selfcontradictory and contain numerous clear factual and historical errors. Genesis itself is clearly fiction that contains enough errors to invalidate the whole rest of the book. If the text your infallible self correcting mechanism is included in is in itself wrong, then what makes you think this code has any relevance at all. Even IF it was inserted and does not spring from your own imagination, it clearly has failed.


Of course I could be wrong. Show me the exact replica of the seal with the exact same messages in, say, the japanese creation myth in the original japanese and I'd be a lot more convinced. Show it to me in the aboriginal and aztec languages and their myths and you might be on to something.
The Genesis Seal is simultaneously both simple and complex. But, despite my slow progress, I did not ‘make it’ as you have implied, or in the way that a sculptor reveals a shape that was initially in his own imagination. That is because I can only work with the text that I received. If anything, I might compare myself with a painstaking archaeologist, who is uncovering artefacts that are already there, but hidden. The trick, of course, is to distinguish between a genuine find and an illusory one. The Genesis Seal helps out by placing related artefacts in close proximity to one another. But there is an even better touchstone.

Using your own example, you could, I suppose, use the Genesis Seal to work up a story about a flying spaghetti monster. But, like the sculptor example, that story will only exist after you have brought you imagination to bear. The Bible is different in this respect because the stories already exist, and are part of the same compilation of which the Genesis Seal is the Introduction. There is no new creativity on my part; the jigsaw puzzle already exists, and just needs a little patience to work out where each piece fits.

To me this is a crucially important part of the difference between me and others in this thread. You insist that the Genesis Seal could be used to create a story, whereas I demonstrate that that has already happened many centuries ago.

Nor can I agree that the Seal is hard to find. It discovery depends only on making a chance connection before everything starts falling into place. It’s a bit like those simulated 3D pictures that were popular in the 90s. A few people can see the concealed picture straight away, whereas many more stare for ages before it clicks or, like me, they simply give up.

Those are my more important arguments. The next part of this post is included only so that I cannot be accused of brushing over what I might find inconvenient.

Nor will you get an argument from me as to the Bible’s accumulated errors, both accidental and contrived. It is even likely that the most serious of them occurred in the first ever redacted version of the Torah. But that cannot mean that the redactor didn’t see the sense of including a basic error-checking mechanism in the First Edition.

Your final paragraph, I have to admit, has me completely baffled. If I could show what you ask, then that would imply some kind of collusion between the Jewish, Japanese and Aztec cultures. That is not a part of my argument, which is that the Genesis Seal is unique as a cryptic masterpiece.
 
If I ever wanted to set up a new religion .. I could not come up with a better way than to prescribe a holy book with its own built-in validation checks, then insist that its letter-for-letter integrity is absolutely sacrosanct.

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Actually, that's a good idea. Why don't you try it?

Pick a theme, write upon it in Hebrew. Try to overlay it with your infamous bit patterns in such a way that it affirms the very theme.

I am not sure what the outcome will be. I am hoping you will either find it impossible (even with a computer) or you will find it foolish and thus see the seal the way we do.
 
Now that we've established that Kingfisher doesn't want to sully the sanctity of his Genesis Seal by trampling over it with the muddy boots of science, perhaps an alternative approach is called for. A sceptical version of the argument from incredulity. It goes something like this:

It seems to me that, assuming we accept the arbitrary use of a 8x8 grid, the arbitrary use of the 1st 64 letters of Genesis, and the arbitrary spiral arrangement chosen for those letters, there is still a fatal paradox in this whole endeavour.

The more items of data found in the Seal, the more relationships between letters and words in different parts of the grid, the more meaning, the greater the variety of information it seems to refer to, and the more different rotations or other manipulations of the grid seem to present new vistas of subtle information, the LESS plausible it all becomes.

If Kingfisher had come up with a simple code hidden in the first couple of verses of Genesis that said something simple like 'There is one God and his name is Yaweh' (or whatever), I would have said, "Wow, that's amazing - although barely plausible".

But no; going by what has been presented so far, what we are being asked to accept is that some early scholar(s) or scribe(s) assembled 'huge amounts of high-grade data', the best knowledge of the day, from approximations of pi, and root 2, to Pythagoras' Theorem, information about the creation myth, indications of what should or should not appear in the holy book, and a vast number of other scriptural and historical hints, clues, relationships, and messages, etc. [For details see Kingfisher's previous posts].

So let's picture a number of important books stacked up on a desk or desks, a huge sheaf of papers full of notes and ideas, and a committee of learned men discussing what should or should not be included, and how to achieve it.

For unknown reasons, an 8x8 grid is chosen, and this vast amount of varied information and relationships is painstakingly encoded into 64 letters on the grid - shuffling them around, reworking and repositioning them until not only does the basic grid contain a wealth of data with cunningly worked geometric and positional relationships, and each letter participating in multiple elements and relationships, but by simple manipulations of the grid, even more data and relationships are revealed. 'Twas a miracle of rare device...

Eventually, after a prolonged effort, possibly spanning several lifetimes, almost all of the 'huge amount of high-grade data' they had assembled is encoded one way or another into the 64 letters on the grid. Everyone sighs with relief and high-fives each other. They break out the wine.

Then one of the scribes notices a remarkable thing - when the letters are read in a spiral around the grid, they spell out simple and precise sentences that sound like the ideal start to the creation myth with which the great book was intended to start!! Everyone gasps, and dropping to their knees, starts praying - after all, what were the chances of that?

No? You mean they had to deliberately make sure all that huge amount of encoded information in the grid also spelled out the beginning of Genesis in a spiral? Really? How could they possibly do that?

If someone asked you to come up with an idea for the opening of a story, then encode a 'huge amount of high-grade data' about everything under the sun as a cunning multi-level word puzzle using 64 letters on an 8x8 grid, making sure that when it was all finished, those 64 letters, read in a spiral, spelt out the opening lines of the story, would you think they were sane or insane?

So, my sceptical argument from incredulity is simply that it is inconceivable that anyone could deliberately encode that much information in such a small number of letters, in such a way that all the grid relationships Kingfisher claims are present, and still have it read as the opening to Genesis. No way. Spectacularly impossible. Mega-fail :)
Since you put it like that, it is a bit like Moses tripping over a remote control for a TV. Useless. Throw it in the skip.
 
Again with the special pleading. If you cannot demonstrate it to others how do you justify it to yourself? Are you taking some kind of faith position with your claim?

Could you elaborate on the kind of heuristic* approach that you have in mind? For mine, heuristics are good in making necessarily hasty least-cost decesions, or arriving at hypotheses that are later to be rigorously tested.

How important is holding true beliefs, or at least best possible, to you?

ETA: * A quick google shows I am working with an incomplete definition.
I use the word in the same way as a description of the old Traveling Salesman problem or a GPS route-planner, to get you from A to B. There is no simple method to find the optimum route. The system just calculates lots of alternative possibilities, sorts them in any order you prefer (eg shortest) and presents you with the best that it came up with. There is no guarantee that it is the ultimate best route, and to do it manually would take a lifetime.

As for beliefs, I try to be as pragmatic as I can be. The beliefs I used to have are in tatters. But that has no bearing on my belief that the Genesis Seal is a deliberately contrived cryptic entity.
 
I use the word in the same way as a description of the old Traveling Salesman problem or a GPS route-planner, to get you from A to B. There is no simple method to find the optimum route. The system just calculates lots of alternative possibilities, sorts them in any order you prefer (eg shortest) and presents you with the best that it came up with. There is no guarantee that it is the ultimate best route, and to do it manually would take a lifetime.

What I am really interested in is how you might apply such a method to determine that you have in fact found a hidden code.

As for beliefs, I try to be as pragmatic as I can be. The beliefs I used to have are in tatters. But that has no bearing on my belief that the Genesis Seal is a deliberately contrived cryptic entity.

Again, what is the nature of your "belief"? Is it rational, a feeling, based in faith in Genesis being the inspired word of God? You have so far not demonstrated that there is a code in Genesis as you claim. That, as you have told us, it may be undemonstratable should be as much a problem for you and establishing your own justification for belief as it is us.
 
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The Genesis Seal is simultaneously both simple and complex. But, despite my slow progress, I did not ‘make it’ as you have implied, or in the way that a sculptor reveals a shape that was initially in his own imagination. That is because I can only work with the text that I received. If anything, I might compare myself with a painstaking archaeologist, who is uncovering artefacts that are already there, but hidden. The trick, of course, is to distinguish between a genuine find and an illusory one. The Genesis Seal helps out by placing related artefacts in close proximity to one another. But there is an even better touchstone.


Using your own example, you could, I suppose, use the Genesis Seal to work up a story about a flying spaghetti monster. But, like the sculptor example, that story will only exist after you have brought you imagination to bear. The Bible is different in this respect because the stories already exist, and are part of the same compilation of which the Genesis Seal is the Introduction. There is no new creativity on my part; the jigsaw puzzle already exists, and just needs a little patience to work out where each piece fits.'


Yes, but isn't it amazing how the flying spaghetti monster put the evidence for its own existence in a story written so long ago? Clearly it shows that while the original message was lost (god is a bowl of spaghetti), now that the truth is revealed we can look into this ancient story and see how hints were in place the whole time.
How is this different from your interpretation?

To me this is a crucially important part of the difference between me and others in this thread. You insist that the Genesis Seal could be used to create a story, whereas I demonstrate that that has already happened many centuries ago.

Yes, it could be used to create ANY story. And something that can be used to create any story clearly is not specific FOR any story. Hence your 'genesis seal' is in no way specific to the story it is found in and can therefore be likened to an alphabet.
My FSM link is of course silly, but it can be used to show the creation myths of every single culture everywhere (since they all have at least some similarities) as well as, say every story of shakespeare or any single throw away romance novel. All you need is time and willings to openly interpret everything in a way that links to whatever you decide to look at.

Nor can I agree that the Seal is hard to find. It discovery depends only on making a chance connection before everything starts falling into place. It’s a bit like those simulated 3D pictures that were popular in the 90s. A few people can see the concealed picture straight away, whereas many more stare for ages before it clicks or, like me, they simply give up.

Those are my more important arguments. The next part of this post is included only so that I cannot be accused of brushing over what I might find inconvenient.

Nor will you get an argument from me as to the Bible’s accumulated errors, both accidental and contrived. It is even likely that the most serious of them occurred in the first ever redacted version of the Torah. But that cannot mean that the redactor didn’t see the sense of including a basic error-checking mechanism in the First Edition.

Your final paragraph, I have to admit, has me completely baffled. If I could show what you ask, then that would imply some kind of collusion between the Jewish, Japanese and Aztec cultures. That is not a part of my argument, which is that the Genesis Seal is unique as a cryptic masterpiece.

You are the one who claims that this 'seal' is somehow supernaturally inspired to show some deeper truths. Since it is found in the obscure creation myth of what whas at the time a marginal and unimportant faith, clearly it would have been inserted in all important faiths of the time as well.
 
Yes, but isn't it amazing how the flying spaghetti monster put the evidence for its own existence in a story written so long ago? Clearly it shows that while the original message was lost (god is a bowl of spaghetti), now that the truth is revealed we can look into this ancient story and see how hints were in place the whole time.
How is this different from your interpretation?



Yes, it could be used to create ANY story. And something that can be used to create any story clearly is not specific FOR any story. Hence your 'genesis seal' is in no way specific to the story it is found in and can therefore be likened to an alphabet.
My FSM link is of course silly, but it can be used to show the creation myths of every single culture everywhere (since they all have at least some similarities) as well as, say every story of shakespeare or any single throw away romance novel. All you need is time and willings to openly interpret everything in a way that links to whatever you decide to look at.



You are the one who claims that this 'seal' is somehow supernaturally inspired to show some deeper truths. Since it is found in the obscure creation myth of what whas at the time a marginal and unimportant faith, clearly it would have been inserted in all important faiths of the time as well.

Inserted by whom?
 
Creation’s Beneficiary

In this post, I shall reconcile differences between the biblical creation account and our modern perspective on the way the world works. In effect, I shall be identifying characteristics of the Genesis Seal that point towards its author’s anachronistic understanding of ‘modern’ scientific concepts. That second use of the word ‘modern’ is in quotation marks because the present day has no unique significance in the grand scheme of things, and science per se is not a modern invention. It is, rather, a collection of parochial discoveries of universal and eternal principles

The science I shall describe is of a popular quality, much like the way it might be presented in a television documentary, which may gloss over any underlying experimental evidence and mathematical modelling. In this respect, the aim of the Genesis Seal is neither to teach science in a formal way, nor to reveal new knowledge. The information packed into the Seal may be recognised only when it is already known. But that is not to say there will not be any supporting mathematical content. And it soon becomes evident that the Genesis Seal contains something that is relevant to every historical age. The fact that we may recognise things that are recent discoveries only hints that there may be more to find, following future discoveries. But the Genesis Seal is not a short-cut to this kind of knowledge. One thing that will become clear is that the scientific principles designed into the Genesis Seal all have a direct bearing on biological life.

Let me start with an example of primitive science that might have been recognised in ancient times. Figure 29 shows the perimeter that the G1 and G2 squares share in common. Within the first word of Genesis, I have highlighted the letters of the word esh (fire). In the third side the letters of mayim (water) are emphasised, being the latter part of the longer shamayim (heaven). And in the fourth side, I have highlighted the explicit word eretz (earth). Only the second side of the perimeter appears not to participate in revealing one of the four classical elements: Fire – Air – WaterEarth. However, that omission is not at all inappropriate if we allow for air being the only one of those ‘elements’ that is normally invisible. Notice, too, that the elements in each side (air notionally in 2) all follow an order of increasing density. That is, unless we perversely compare, say, solid sulphur with liquid mercury. The perimeter shows the way that any given substance in its four states or phases normally becomes more dense in the order: plasma, gas, liquid, solid.



In my post #697, I included the 4x7 matrix (repeated here) of qatan letter values, obtained from the very same verse.



The totals alongside each row are remarkably consistent with the literary content of Figure 29, in that they gradually increase or, at least, never decrease. In that earlier post, I compared the two stages of regular numerical growth with the possibility of cosmological Inflation, followed by the ongoing Expansion phase. How very apt, therefore, that these characteristics should emerge from the verse that says: In the beginning God created the heaven and the earth. Also, the four classical ‘elements’ seen in order of increasing density are, like the four phases of matter, following a scale of decreasing temperature, in turn a consequence of increasing volume.

A common area of dispute in the interminable Science.vs.Religion debate is the way the Laws of Nature seem to be perfectly tuned to favour the development of biological life. Among the universal physical constants that seem to be finely tuned to favour life there are the charge (q) on an electron, Planck’s Constant (ħ) and the speed of light (c). Without going into the details, these particular values combine mathematically in such a remarkable way that all the units of measurement cancel out, leaving a pure number that is very close to 137, now known as the Fine Structure Constant (α). The value of α is an absolute; it does not depend on the way we perform the maths, or where in the Universe we happen to be doing so.
The Fine Structure Constant held a particular fascination for Nobel Prize-winning physicist Richard Feynman (1918 to 1988). Strictly speaking, α is not the whole number 137 but the negative decimal fraction -0.08542455 of which 137 is the inverse of its square. The illustrious scientist had this unlovely number posted prominently on his office wall. Then, when visitors quizzed him about the number, he would say that his physicist friends did not recognize it because “they like to remember it as the inverse of its square: about 137.03597”. The Genesis Seal (G1 aspect) demonstrates knowledge of the universal Fine Structure Constant through two adjacent 5-digit sequences that are placed along, and on either side of an axis of bi-lateral symmetry. One of them is 13663, a fair substitute for 137.03 when there is no option to use either a decimal point or a zero digit; the other number is (-0.0)85424. These are highlighted in Figure 30, which shows the G1 Square populated with qatan letter values. The evident symmetry of these numbers (both graphical and mathematical) emphasizes the key point that the Fine Structure Constant exists within the very narrow band of values that could lead to the conditions that favour the development of life.



Notice also that the G1 Square is the same one that emphasises two other axes of symmetry by the positions of the three digit triples: 666, 111 and 444. Also, in my post #492, I pointed out that the number 137 occurs only three times in the entire Judeo-Christian Bible, as the ages of three patriarchs at the time each of them died. Or, to turn that around, the Bible emphasises 137 years as an exceptionally long life.

Once ‘creation’ had fixed the Fine Structure Constant, certain processes that favour life followed naturally. These include the formation of stars, clusters of stars, and galaxies, all of which are represented in the Genesis Seal as hexagram (Star of David) numbers, such as 13, 37, 73 and 121. All of these hexagrams have been encountered before, as well as the spectacular 35113 at the centre of the G2 Square. While this number is itself a hexagram, it is also the product of the hexagrams: 13x37x73. What is more, this 35113 is at the centre of the encompassing 2701 gematria of Genesis 1:1, where 2701 = 37x73 (check out this web link).
http://www.whatabeginning.com/Misc/Wonders/SA7.htm

These numbers, all characteristics of the G2 Square, are all symbolic of stars within clusters within a galaxy. So it is now possible to recognise the spiral structure of these squares as an allusion to our own Galaxy’s spiral arms, among other things as we shall see.

Three multiples of the number 73 were also seen in the G1 Square (post #755) in a configuration that is emulated by the Eye of Horus. But, up to now, I have barely mentioned the number 37. So, it is high time that I did so. First, we should note that every kind of life on Earth fits into one of 37 phyla, where each phylum is a fundamental body pattern.

Next, 37 is a number that is bequeathed by the G1 Square in quite a few ways. We can start by noting its presence as a prime factor in both 35113 and 2701. Then it occurs in other ways, as may be ascertained from Figure 31.



Keep in mind that this is the same view in which three digit triples and the Fine Structure Constant all serve to define three axes of bi-lateral symmetry. Next, it can be seen that the two diagonals confer qatan value totals of 36 and 37, the product of which is 2x666. What is more, 36 is both a square and a triangular number, while 37 is both a hexagram and a hexagon. Also, their mutual sum is 73, that other hexagram number. The fact that 37 is both hexagram (star) and hexagon could be taken as symbolic of the heavens and the earth, respectively - the latter because of the compactness of a plane tessellation of hexagons.

An important characteristic of the G1 Square, as seen in Figure 31, is the way the diagonals cooperate with the four sides of the perimeter. The four, 7-digit sides generate qatan sums of 15, 17, 22 and 28, from which we obtain the product:

15 x 17 x 22 x 28 = 157080​

But for the absence of the decimal point, these are the early digits of π/2, to within one part in more than four hundred thousand. And the product of this result with the one obtained from the two diagonal totals is: 666π. If this result achieves anything, it is to raise the profile of a graph having four points (the corners), fully connected by six lines (edges). And that is a mathematical recipe for a tetrahedron. In fact, a square with both diagonals on view is the maximum profile of an open-frame, regular tetrahedron. And this shape has some highly significant roles to play in the science of biological life. Before I launch into those connections, I need to present more evidence that the G1 aspect of the Genesis Seal has a very deep affinity with tetrahedra.

First, the sum of all 28 standard letter values of Genesis 1:1 is 2701, which happens to be triangular - being, significantly, the 73rd triangular number. This simple fact conceals some important details about internal structure, part of which may be discerned from the following webpage:

http://www.whatabeginning.com/SA5.htm

Here is a simplified view of the 2701 triangle:



Clearly, the 2701 triangle may be partitioned into an interior 703 triangle, surrounded by three 666 triangles. The main consequence is that the 2701 triangle may be converted into a tetrahedron by folding the three outer, sub-triangles up and out of the page until the free vertex of each of them joins with the other two. This will be a regular tetrahedron if the three 666 triangles sit on the 703 triangle as their base. So far so good, we have now identified two tetrahedra in the G1 Square. However, there are some additional, special relationships between the faces of the folded up tetrahedron and the ‘square with diagonals’ version. One is that its 703 base is the 37th triangular number, and each of the three 666 triangles is a 36th triangular number, 36 and 37 being the qatan sums of the aforementioned diagonals. In fact, the diagonal that gives the sum of 36 even contains a 666 group!

An even more revealing relationship is a certain correlation (as may be deduced from the above webpage) between the 2701 triangle and the four sides of the square that are its source. This is because the fourth side of the G1 perimeter generates an exact standard value total of 703. It follows, therefore, that the standard value total of the first three sides of the perimeter must be 3x666. What is more, both 703 and 666 are multiples of 37. However, while none of the five words that generate the 3x666 is individually divisible by 37, the values of both words of the fourth side are multiples of 37. The latest three paragraphs should be seen as extra levels of affirmation for the act of forming a square perimeter from the text of Genesis 1:1.

Given that the Genesis Seal identifies itself so strongly with tetrahedra, where might that take us? And again, I find myself drawn to the words of Ezekiel who was the first to write about ‘living creatures’, each of which had four faces and six wings. Clearly, if ‘wings’ may be understood as edges (as of a playing field), then each of these living creatures has the essential characteristics of a tetrahedron. In fact, the word Ezekiel uses that has habitually been translated as ‘living creatures’ does not of itself suggest a creature at all. It is a plural form of a word that means ‘life giving’. And it is only his use of anatomical metaphors that has led to a persistent assumption that these life givers are autonomous creatures in some way. We are surely entitled to re-think what Ezekiel was really about. And a most useful place to start is with the following verse:

In the midst of the living creatures there was something that looked like burning coals of fire, like torches moving to and fro among the living creatures; and the fire was bright, and out of the fire went forth lightning.
Ezekiel 1:13​

I believe the proper explanation lies in words like: burning coals, fire, torches and lightning. Taken as a related collection, these all imply the manifestation of alternative forms of energy, each possibly based on a different one of the fundamental forces of nature. Another cloaked reference to the same concepts may be discerned in this biblical verse:
When the sun had gone down and it was dark, behold, a smoking fire pot and a flaming torch passed between those pieces [of sacrificed animals]
Genesis 15:17​

In this case, the additional mention of the Sun is another useful pointer to a correct interpretation. The Genesis Seal is concerned with scientific principles that are most relevant to the development of biological life, and its ongoing maintenance. And, apart from hydrogen, none of the other elements necessary for life would exist had it not been for energetic processes that occur only in the cores of stars. An obvious bi-product that is essential to life is the radiant heat and light that we receive from our Sun. However, the processes themselves, and the forces that drive them, seem to be of central importance in the Genesis Seal.

The concept of the tetrahedron is at the heart of this. During most of the life of a medium-to-large star, it converts hydrogen to helium, using the force of gravity to create the conditions in which the ‘strong nuclear’ force can do its work. The results are helium nuclei consisting of four, virtually equal-sized particles that take up relative positions at the vertices of a regular tetrahedron.

A second stage process then fuses helium nuclei to produce carbon nuclei. The thing about carbon is that, in Earth-like conditions, its chemical properties make it perfectly suited to the creation of complex molecules that are essential to life as we know it. And a large part of the reason is carbon’s valency of 4, so that its chemical bonds tend towards a tetrahedral configuration. The chemistry of carbon is, of course, a bi-product of the electromagnetic force between electrons. And this is the perfect explanation for what Ezekiel described as burning coals, and in Genesis, a smoking fire pot passing through organic pieces of animals. On the same principle, more intense expressions like ‘flaming torch’ can be understood as a reference to the thermo-nuclear generation of helium.

So far, I have utilised only three of the four fundamental forces of nature. The ‘weak nuclear’ force is active in the decay of larger atomic nuclei, in which high-energy alpha particles are ejected. An alpha particle is nothing more than a tetrahedral nucleus of helium, which is one of the principal agencies of genetic mutations that contribute to the evolutionary process. And the highly energetic nature of an alpha particle was best described by Ezekiel in the only way that made sense to him, as lightning going forth out of the bright fire.

Just as our ancestors tried to describe the natural world in terms of the four classical elements, so physicists today employ a model built around the concepts of Space, Time, Matter and Energy. So far in this post, I have shown how the Genesis Seal achieves the representation of space, matter and energy. The concept of time is also built into the start of Genesis, which translates as ‘In the beginning’. In my post #697, I showed how the same concise part of the Genesis Seal defines a year as 365.2 Solar Days, and includes the encrypted date known as Rosh Hashanah (New Year). I can now add to that a formula that identifies a period of 25767 years as the duration of a cycle known as Precession of the Equinoxes. The word for ‘four’ created at the start of the G2 Square has several important, numerical attributes. Among them is its gematria value of 273, and a digit sequence of 1227. Among the proper positive divisors of 273 is 21; and 21x1227 = 25767.

What is more, the full set of prime factors of 273 are: 13.7.3.1 and, in terms of Earth years, is a good attempt at representing the significant digits in the 13.7 billion year age of the Universe. Notice, also, the repeating sequence of final digits in each term in the series of Star of David numbers: 1, 13, 37, 73, 121, 181, 253, 337, 433, 541, 661, 793, 937, …and so it continues to infinity. So even the artificially created ‘four’ has its essence in the stars (hexagrams).

The same word for ‘four’ has even more characteristics that speak of it encapsulating other aspects of biological life. I can start with the fact that it only comes into being as the result of the sole letter ayin being removed from its natural position, an apparent allusion to genetic mutation. In which case, the Hebrew letters of the Genesis Seal undoubtedly emulate an essential characteristic of DNA and of many proteins. This is the way in which they all have both a primary and a second-order structure. In the case of DNA, the second-order structure is manifest in the wound-up chromosomes. With proteins, the primary structure is the linear sequence of amino-acids; the second-order structure is the very precise folding up that takes place in, say, red blood corpuscles and enzymes. In the Genesis Seal, the second-order structure is in the way the linear source text has been wound up into converging and diverging coils.

All the more extraordinary is the way the newly created word for ‘four’ also emulates aspects of the genetic language of biological life. In the same post #697 as mentioned above, I showed how the word brit (a covenant) can be identified within the first word of Genesis. Then the addition of the migrated letter ayin augments that word to become Ivrit (ie Hebrew – the language). In fact, as we shall see the four-letter word for ‘four’ actually identifies itself as the 4-letter alphabet of the DNA genetic code that employs the nucleotide bases: Adenine (A), Cytosine (C), Guanine (G) and Thymine (T). Let me elaborate.

The various ways in which the Hebrew word for ‘four’ emulates the genetic code are more symbolic than explicit. For example, its 1227 qatan value sequence includes the 22 because this is the number both of Hebrew letters and active translations in the genetic code. But let us note here that the letters that bequeath this 22 spell bar, meaning ‘son and heir’, as in the expression ‘Jesus bar Joseph’. However, the Hebrew alphabet is much more subtle than that superficial numerical correlation.

In the genetic code, only 20 translations relate to the 20 amino acids that are utilised in proteins. Two translations are reserved for Start/Stop instructions, which tell the protein building machinery where to separate one gene from another. Likewise, the Hebrew alphabet has 20 letters that are strictly consonants (material components) and two almost silent letters (ie aleph and ayin) that correspond to the abstract Start/Stop instructions. So it is of the utmost significance that the word arba (four) begins with an aleph and ends with the migrated ayin, imitating the defined length of any given gene sequence. Although the symbolic correlations between the word ‘arba’ and the genetic code are subtle, they are delightfully so and too many in number to be dismissed as meaningless coincidence. There is, in fact, another characteristic of ‘arba’ (four) that represents the genetic code on another level.

Recall that the G3 and G4 aspects of the Genesis Seal are the result of the G2 text being entered in reverse order (maybe a kind of evolutionary adaptation). One result is that the prefixed letter ayin is located in the central 2x2 cluster. As, indeed, is the complete word for ‘four’ (see Figure 42). However, in addition to this explicit version of ‘four’, there are two extra emergent versions of the same word that cross through each other before terminating in the same letter ayin. For anyone not aware (surely not many in this thread), each DNA codon that can be translated consists of three nucleotide bases from the set of four: A, C, G & T. As a result, there are 4x4x4 (=64) ways to build a 3-letter codon using an alphabet of 4 letters. Hence the genetic significance of having three copies of ‘four’ at the heart of the G3/G4 squares. All 64 codons are utilised in the genetic code, though there is redundancy in the way that two or more codons may have the same translation.



Some readers may also recall a 7x4 matrix of the text of Genesis 1:1 (plus ayin prefix) that confers the word for ‘three’ in its middle column, alongside the horizontal ‘four’.

It goes without saying that none of these finely-tuned, sub-cellular mechanisms would have any purpose without the macro-level equipment to put them into practise. And that must be why the Genesis Seal also presents so many allusions to sexual reproduction, such as graphic images of human male genitals, and multiple references to circumcision and wombs. Evidently for the same reason, the gematria value of ‘womb’ is 248, the same as for the name ‘Abraham’ – the biblical symbol of human fecundity. And the sum of the two is 496 or third Perfect number. So it is prophetic that the first two Perfect Numbers are 6 (length of first Hebrew word of Genesis) and 28 (length of first verse).

(Note. For the purists here, I should clarify that DNA codons are not translated directly. Each of them gives rise to an RNA codon (in which Uracil takes the place of Thymine); and it is RNA codons that may be translated)


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What I am really interested in is how you might apply such a method to determine that you have in fact found a hidden code.
I am agreing with others who I believe have said there is no practical way to to prove my hypothesis. All we really have is our native judgement.


Again, what is the nature of your "belief"? Is it rational, a feeling, based in faith in Genesis being the inspired word of God? You have so far not demonstrated that there is a code in Genesis as you claim. That, as you have told us, it may be undemonstratable should be as much a problem for you and establishing your own justification for belief as it is us.
I believe I am being rational in recognising the cryptic content. Everyone can see my illustrations (over 40 of them) and must make up their own minds whether my hypothesis is correct or not. All I can add is that 40 diagrams worth of content in a text of 64 letters is a lot to dismiss for the want of a kind of proof that most people here do not believe can exist. Not because proof would be more likely to prove the opposite conclusion, but because proof does not exist one way or the other.
 
I am agreing with others who I believe have said there is no practical way to to prove my hypothesis. All we really have is our native judgement.



I believe I am being rational in recognising the cryptic content. Everyone can see my illustrations (over 40 of them) and must make up their own minds whether my hypothesis is correct or not. All I can add is that 40 diagrams worth of content in a text of 64 letters is a lot to dismiss for the want of a kind of proof that most people here do not believe can exist. Not because proof would be more likely to prove the opposite conclusion, but because proof does not exist one way or the other.

If this was rational then you could convey to others the reasoning that justifies it to your own mind, baring poor communication skills, an area you have not shown a lack of.
 
I am agreing with others who I believe have said there is no practical way to to prove my hypothesis. All we really have is our native judgement..
everyone else in the village says you got it wrong, everyone, even the witch doctor

I believe I am being rational in recognising the cryptic content. Everyone can see my illustrations (over 40 of them) and must make up their own minds whether my hypothesis is correct or not. All I can add is that 40 diagrams worth of content in a text of 64 letters is a lot to dismiss for the want of a kind of proof that most people here do not believe can exist. Not because proof would be more likely to prove the opposite conclusion, but because proof does not exist one way or the other.
people are not saying proof does not exist, theres plenty of proof for our answer to your claim, just no proof that supports you
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You are the one who claims that this 'seal' is somehow supernaturally inspired to show some deeper truths. Since it is found in the obscure creation myth of what whas at the time a marginal and unimportant faith, clearly it would have been inserted in all important faiths of the time as well.
Will everyone please stop putting words into my mouth, based on their own unsubstantiated assumptions. I do not say that the Genesis Seal is supernatural.

As I have said repeatedly, my best guess is that someone belonging to that 'marginal and unimportant faith' created the Genesis Seal at the same time as writing a back-dated history. The biblical 'history' of the Jews was contrived to give them a legitimacy that would carry into their future. That, of course, includes a claim on their so-called Promised Land.
 
Will everyone please stop putting words into my mouth, based on their own unsubstantiated assumptions. I do not say that the Genesis Seal is supernatural.
as has already been pointed out to you several times, you claimed it was supernatural in your first post here

It goes without saying that I hope to hear responses to the effect that the Genesis Seal trumps all previous candidates for ‘supernatural’ design within the Bible.

As I have said repeatedly, my best guess is that someone belonging to that 'marginal and unimportant faith' created the Genesis Seal at the same time as writing a back-dated history. The biblical 'history' of the Jews was contrived to give them a legitimacy that would carry into their future. That, of course, includes a claim on their so-called Promised Land.
as we have said repeatedly, this is exactly the same as "the bible code", just much smaller and less impressive and your ability to defend your argument makes Michael Drosnin look like a genius. You are apparently incapable of remembering your own claims, see now you're claiming a jew wrote it, where earlier you were claiming its been around since 4000bce. So does this indicate that you are no longer claiming that the seal was responsible for Egyptian mythology, or that you have reaffirmed your belief in Aliens or time travel ?

btw, you are in error, you are equating the promised land with Israel.
1. Israel was not given to the Jews by God, but the English
2, the promised land is a territory from the River of Egypt to the Euphrates river (Exodus 23:31) and was given to their descendants after the Exodus. (Deuteronomy 1:8)
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as has already been pointed out to you several times, you claimed it was supernatural in your first post here




as we have said repeatedly, this is exactly the same as "the bible code", just much smaller and less impressive and your ability to defend your argument makes Michael Drosnin look like a genius. You are apparently incapable of remembering your own claims, see now you're claiming a jew wrote it, where earlier you were claiming its been around since 4000bce. So does this indicate that you are no longer claiming that the seal was responsible for Egyptian mythology, or that you have reaffirmed your belief in Aliens or time travel ?

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You have put your finger on an issue that I find troublesome. Yes, there is circumstantial evidence that the Genesis Seal has been recognised for well over 3000 years. But there is stronger reason to suppose that the Jews in Exile in Babylon made even greater use of it, perhaps suggesting they 'improved' on what they already saw. I cannot offer an all-encompassing explanation, though my accusers will expect me to contrive one.
Yes, I even used the word supernatural in my OP. But maybe you didn't notice how I put in in quotation marks, so that it should be taken as tongue-in-cheek.

btw. The fact that the Genesis Seal is much smaller than the playgound of the bible code makes the Genesis Seal much more impressive, not less, because its information density is that much greater and, consequently, more difficult to engineer.
 
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You have put your finger on an issue that I find troublesome. Yes, there is circumstantial evidence that the Genesis Seal has been recognised for well over 3000 years. But there is stronger reason to suppose that the Jews in Exile in Babylon made even greater use of it, perhaps suggesting they 'improved' on what they already saw. I cannot offer an all-encompassing explanation, though my accusers will expect me to contrive one.
Yes, I even used the word supernatural in my OP. But maybe you didn't notice how I put in in quotation marks, so that it should be taken as tongue-in-cheek.

Genesis is one of the few books of the bible that predates the Diaspora, Hebrewism predates the diaspora by about 500 years, so Genesis is as old as they are. All cultures start off with a creation story, they don't wait half a millenium and then write one

you should know, "tongue in cheek" doesn't come over in walls of text half as well as ignorance
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.. there is no practical way to to prove my hypothesis. All we really have is our native judgement.

The native judgement that brought us snake oil and religion? The native judgement that has taken over five hundred years of dedicated science to shake?

...Yeah, let's use that one...


I believe I am being rational in recognising the cryptic content.

I believe you are a troll on a poe.



Everyone can see my illustrations (over 40 of them) and must make up their own minds whether my hypothesis is correct or not.

Yeah, convincing stuff. Like your explanation for why air is not among fire, earth and water; because it's invisible! Bloody hell, you actually think we're stupid.

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You have put your finger on an issue that I find troublesome. Yes, there is circumstantial evidence that the Genesis Seal has been recognised for well over 3000 years. But there is stronger reason to suppose that the Jews in Exile in Babylon made even greater use of it, perhaps suggesting they 'improved' on what they already saw. I cannot offer an all-encompassing explanation, though my accusers will expect me to contrive one.
Yes, I even used the word supernatural in my OP. But maybe you didn't notice how I put in in quotation marks, so that it should be taken as tongue-in-cheek.

btw. The fact that the Genesis Seal is much smaller than the playgound of the bible code makes the Genesis Seal much more impressive, not less, because its information density is that much greater and, consequently, more difficult to engineer.

But the information is only there because you WANT it to be there.
Take your last wall of text.
You WANT to four classical elements to be there, so you just assume they are all there, even when you admit that one of them is missing no matter how hard you try to fit it in.
So you just go, but it should be there, so it is.
3+4+1=12, assuming there is an extra 4 in that equation. There isnt, but I'm going to assume it is, because I want to.
That's the type of science that collapses buildings, and that is your introconvertible proof?

The more you write, the more you convince everyone else that everything you present comes from your own imagination. There never was a jewish scribe putting all this in. There was just someone penning down an ancient creation story, followed by someone with a very active and open ended imagination putting it into a form and then seeing all sorts of patterns in it a few millennia later.
Have you ever considered just making a fiction novel out of this? Dan Brown is doing rather well with similar imaginations about the catholic church and I applaud your imagination.
Scientific your proof is less than zero, but that doesn't matter in fiction.
 
As things stand, I have no plans to post any new material about the Genesis Seal. And after a month of intense discussion, I have decided I need a break.
 

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