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The Genesis Seal

Marduk said:
maybe its the fact that you don't listen to criticism or take notice when people more intelligent than your posting level show you why its nonsense or that you are about the 50th person who's turned up here claiming to have found something wondrous in your own religious book of choice which proves you are right to worship the genocidal flood god, it could be that you have ignored the facts all the way through 22 pages of people trying to help you, or maybe its because you, are going to die believing that Satan is blocking the world from seeing your wondrous discovery that no one else apparently cares about
or perhaps that its obviously apparent that you've never read a real history book all the way through
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I could understand the calls for evidence, but not the assumption that there is only one kind of evidence. Good skepticism does not spring from a dogmatic assumption that something is not true unless proven to be so. A thing that is true is no less true while you are waiting for proof of it, any more than something false would be more or less false.

Your own assertions that I am following a religious motive are particularly presumptuous. I am sure I have not given any good cause to make that judgement; if I seem to have then the error is either my own sloppy writing or my reader’s misleading preconception. Yours is the post that speaks of worshiping the genocidal flood god, and a belief in Satan. You will not find me calling upon such silly ideas.

In fact, I have made some quite challenging assertions that both Judaism and the Christian Church are guilty of peddling self-serving, propagandist nonsense. I have even wondered whether some of the hostile responses to my posts might be knee-jerk reactions to those controversial ideas of mine. To be honest, I doubt that any extant religion will come out unscathed from a comparison with the Genesis Seal. I will go so far as to suggest that the Seal may be capable of demolishing the foundations of some.
 
Kingfisher2926 said:
I could understand the calls for evidence, but not the assumption that there is only one kind of evidence. Good skepticism does not spring from a dogmatic assumption that something is not true unless proven to be so. A thing that is true is no less true while you are waiting for proof of it, any more than something false would be more or less false.

Your own assertions that I am following a religious motive are particularly presumptuous. I am sure I have not given any good cause to make that judgement; if I seem to have then the error is either my own sloppy writing or my reader’s misleading preconception. Yours is the post that speaks of worshiping the genocidal flood god, and a belief in Satan. You will not find me calling upon such silly ideas.

In fact, I have made some quite challenging assertions that both Judaism and the Christian Church are guilty of peddling self-serving, propagandist nonsense. I have even wondered whether some of the hostile responses to my posts might be knee-jerk reactions to those controversial ideas of mine. To be honest, I doubt that any extant religion will come out unscathed from a comparison with the Genesis Seal. I will go so far as to suggest that the Seal may be capable of demolishing the foundations of some.
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It won't. The Christians and the Jewish people can sleep easily.
 
Marduk said:
you gotta love that he's comparing his own writing with that of a famous poet though while at the same time announcing secrets that are supposedly from God
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Another blatant misrepresentation. It should be obvious that I was honouring Wolfram von Eschenbach by adapting his own words, not comparing my writing with his. If anything, Lovecraft was more guilty of copying Wolfram's idea.
I could do worse than to repeat a particularly relevant caution of Wolfram's :
‘There never was such a thing!’ many will be tempted to say. But they would be misled by their ill-temper, for the Gral was the very fruit of bliss, a cornucopia of the sweets of this world and such that it scarcely fell short of what they tell us of the Heavenly Kingdom. No less can be said of the Genesis Seal, which is the archetype of all legitimate Grails (there may be grails that are not derived from the Seal story-boards).
 
Pure Argent said:
And what are the other "kinds" of evidence?
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An eye-witness account, and any one of many other kinds that are accepted in a court of law. It is interesting that expert 'scientific' evidence used to convict someone does not always stand up at appeal.
 
Kingfisher2926 said:
An eye-witness account, and any one of many other kinds that are accepted in a court of law. It is interesting that expert 'scientific' evidence used to convict someone does not always stand up at appeal.
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Quote some eye witness accounts of the 'Genesis Seal'.
 
Kingfisher2926 said:
I can think of two, non-supernatural explanations for the existence of the Genesis Seal (over and above its obvious existence as the text of Genesis 1:1-2). Which of them is most plausible depends on how long it has existed. These are:
  1. The internal structure of those verses was arranged at the same time as later Torah narratives that appear to expand on its 'prophetic' nature.
  2. The same text was micro-edited during the Babylonian Exile of the Jews, to create a respectable, retrospective history that might stand them in good stead in the future.
My only misgiving is that the Genesis Seal seems to have been the story-board inspiration for Egyptian myths that appear in Pyramid Texts that greatly pre-date the supposed period in which Moses lived.
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i note your evasion.

refusing to address my assertion won't make it go away.
 
Kingfisher2926 said:
No less can be said of the Genesis Seal, which is the archetype of all legitimate Grails (there may be grails that are not derived from the Seal story-boards).
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lol, were you foaming at the mouth when you screamed that nonsense ?
:D
either way, theres another lie from you, remember you were supposed to be pretending that the genesis seal isn't supernatural, and now youre claiming a link with supernatural relics that have never existed
laughable
:D
 
Marduk said:
lol, were you foaming at the mouth when you screamed that nonsense ?
:D
either way, theres another lie from you, remember you were supposed to be pretending that the genesis seal isn't supernatural, and now youre claiming a link with supernatural relics that have never existed
laughable
:D
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There is more than one legendary Grail? Did Jeebus have a matching set of them?
 
I was on a flight to San Francisco today. It was on Frontier Airlines. They feature pictures of animals on their tails.

Today I rode with Sherman the Seal. Coincidence? I think not!
 
Kingfisher2926 said:
Another blatant misrepresentation. It should be obvious that I was honouring Wolfram von Eschenbach by adapting his own words, not comparing my writing with his. If anything, Lovecraft was more guilty of copying Wolfram's idea.
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I never said that Lovecraft copied anything. I just said that your particular style of ridiculously-overwrought writing reminded me of Lovecraft's. The difference, however, is that Lovecraft was a writer of fiction, and writing in an age where this style of writing was popular. You're writing what you claim to be actual evidence supporting the existence of this "Genesis Seal".

Somehow I doubt that anyone who feels it necessary to dress up their "facts" in writing like that really has any to present.

Kingfisher2926 said:
I could do worse than to repeat a particularly relevant caution of Wolfram's :
‘There never was such a thing!’ many will be tempted to say. But they would be misled by their ill-temper, for the Gral was the very fruit of bliss, a cornucopia of the sweets of this world and such that it scarcely fell short of what they tell us of the Heavenly Kingdom.
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So his answer - and yours, by extension - to people who deny the existence of the Holy Grail (or Genesis Seal, whichever) is just to say "The Grail is awesome!", rather than to, oh, I don't know, present evidence of its existence?

You might make more headway if you adopted the latter approach, you know.

Kingfisher2926 said:
An eye-witness account, and any one of many other kinds that are accepted in a court of law.
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Eyewitness accounts are always trumped by actual forensic evidence, in case you hadn't noticed. In fact, eyewitness accounts have no value in and of themselves, even in a court of law. They have to be backed by actual evidence, or they're dismissed as speculation.
 
Has Kingfisher ever been in a court? When I lived in Liverpool I used to sit in the public gallery now and again at the Crown Court and eyewitness accounts without forensic evidence were not taken all that seriously. I don't know why I'm typing this, Kingfisher will ignore it as he has ignored all replies to his posts in this thread. Expect another wall of meaningless text from him.
 
dafydd said:
Has Kingfisher ever been in a court?
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No, but he might have played the Ace Attorney series.

...And been very bad at it. Even in that game, eyewitness accounts are overturned when you present evidence which proves them wrong. The only way anyone is going to get sent to the chair based on eyewitness accounts alone in that game is if you really, really screw things up.
 
I just finished re-reading Dune, which is set so far in the future, that Earth isn't even a memory. What struck me most about this reading was the fact that humans, even in that far-flung future, still relied so heavily on religion.

It doesn't seem plausible to me.

I sincerely hope my vision of the future is the correct one. I hope we outgrow this superstitious nonsense and learn we're so much better than that.
 
slingblade said:
I just finished re-reading Dune, which is set so far in the future, that Earth isn't even a memory. What struck me most about this reading was the fact that humans, even in that far-flung future, still relied so heavily on religion.

It doesn't seem plausible to me.

I sincerely hope my vision of the future is the correct one. I hope we outgrow this superstitious nonsense and learn we're so much better than that.
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Humans are pretty flexible and inventive. I suspect even when we are inhabiting space there will still be any number of religions, all of which claiming to be the one true faith.
 
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