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The Genesis Seal

dafydd said:
So they did use a sort of silicon chip.
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Ah, no. Ancient binary computers were made up from ranks of slaves. You know, initially each slave has his right hand on the left shoulder of the next in rank. That signifies 0. You tap the first slave on the left shoulder, and he raises his hand. That is 1. Now tap him again, and he puts his hand back down on the next slave's shoulder, and he raises his hand. That is 102. You now have a binary counter. Set up enough ranks of slaves, and you have a computer. It is very slow, of course, and the spreadsheet I have posted would take three weeks to recalculate. Unfortunately, this technology is limited to executing algorithms that take no longer than the time till the slaves absolutely have to be excused to go to the privy. - Which, if you don't give them too much to drink, is about 6 hours.

Sometimes, longer lasting algorithms were actually still run, and this is the real origin of the term 'messy programming'.

Hans
 
Kingfisher2926 said:
Because one, or even a handful of coincidences is understandable. But when they increas in number beyond a certain (indefinable) point they become statistically significant.
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No, that is factually wrong. If you have a continuous noise source, the appearance of coincidences will also be continuous. I take it that you do not know too much about statistics?

Hans
 
Kingfisher2926 said:
That would tend to imply that the Genesis Seal was crafted retrospectively to meet all its many evident functions. That, in turn, would suggest a super intelligence that far exceeds anything remotely human. I have tried to avoid making any suggestion that smacks of the supernatural. But I would understand if others can't see a way around that conclusion.
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We can see a way around that conclusion: It is all nonsense. I have given you incontrovertible proof that seemingly meaningful coincidences will appear in a random sequence of letters. Face it: All you have is fantasy.

Hans
 
Kingfisher2926 said:
You appear to have missed something essential along the way. In the 7x4 matrix of Genesis 1:!, augmented with the migrated letter ayin, it is not the numbers 3 and 4 that come together. It is the two 4-letter words for 'three' and 'four' that become juxtaposed on adjacent initial letters, with a right angle between them As Hans has pointed out, a right angle is not an unusual configuration in a rectangular matrix. But on top of a myriad other unlikely energent constructs, it is surely a bit special for that to happen with those particular words.
Does that alter your perception of what I had described?
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No, you are just massaging an essentially random set of data. By giving significance to not only words, but also numbers, positions, and combinations thereof, you vastly increase the opportunities for coincidences to exist.

In addition, many of your "coincidences" are severely stretched, such as when you spot a "right angled triangle" that is not really right angled.

Kingfisher, I'm sorry to say this, but you are chasing ghosts. I know you have invested a lot of time and feelings in this, but it is just another type of numerology/bible codes. There is nothing there. Drop it, and get on with your life.

Hans
 
Kingfisher2926 said:
Because one, or even a handful of coincidences is understandable. But when they increas in number beyond a certain (indefinable) point they become statistically significant.
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And that is defined by statistics , which you do not have.

one standard method is to use population statistics, you take your control sample and preform your operation on it. This gives you the mean of occurrence of your event and then with large enough of a sample you can find variation within the sample. This can be categorized as standard deviation, if your test case has variation within the first deviation then it is just likely statistical noise.
So say we use a metric that has value of 1-100 for the occurrence of the event and we just set the mean at 50 and say that it has a standard distribution.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Standard_deviation

that means that roughly any value that falls within 16-84 is considered to be with one deviation.

That is why you have to be careful when people say things like 'the occurrence was twice as high as in the control sample', if the level of 2x event is within the deviation then it may not mean much until you do further analysis.
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Hokulele said:
You are falling to the sharpshooter fallacy. You are back-calculating odds of a specific combination after that combination has already been found. By your own admission, it is not extraordinarily unlikely to find the word for three in a random grid. In addition, you also admit that the symbols in your grid aren't entirely random, as the most common symbols have a high distribution there, simply due to the fact that they are common. You cannot compare this to a true random distribution for the purposes of odds-making, but must instead use a comparable selection of characters. In English, this would be a sample with many e's and n's, but few x's and q's.

So once again, there is absolutely nothing exceptional about this sample.
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The complete Torah text is as homogeneous a sample as you can get.
I repeat, 48 cases of a 'three' in the entire Torah, and 17 of a 'four'. I do understand what you mean about the sharpshooter principle but look at this:



It shows the juxtaposition of the 'three' and 'four'. Now look at this:



It shows the positions of the letters of that same 'three' in the G1 perimeter, which also uses only Genesis 1:1. The inner square-within-a-square is a perfect analogue of the best known, classical proof of the Pythagoras Theorem ahown here:



Please don't try to suggest this is all accidental.
 
Marduk said:
pseudo authorities are the only ones who date them that old, qualified scholars to a man state that the P.T's date to 2400-2300bce
do you actually understand the origin of the pyramid texts and why they cannot be older than that or are you just speculating without any evidence again
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I can concede this one without it affecting my overall conclusion that those texts reflect closely (not randomly) aligned characteristics of the Genesis Seal. Just consider the Eye of Horus, which emulates the first corner of the G1 Square with its 3 radial multiples of 73 (ie 292, 876 & 1314), so:



Then in the G2 Square the same corner becomes host to the Hebrew letter ayin, which is traditionally symbolic of an eye.
 
Kingfisher2926 said:
The complete Torah text is as homogeneous a sample as you can get.

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I am not sure what you mean by that. My point was that you are trying to compare probabilities of random symbols against non-random symbols. If I have a collection of English words as my starting pool, there will be a much higher incidence of common letters in that pool, dramatically increasing the chance I will be able to create common words from mixing those symbols. If my source text includes 5 instances of the word "light", of course the chance of finding the word "light" in the scrambled version will be much, much higher than if my source text is "A quick brown fox jumps over the lazy dog."

If you are using only the first characters from Genesis, of course you are going to find the same words showing up in the scramble.

Please don't try to suggest this is all accidental.
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There is absolutely no way of knowing whether or not this is accidental, because you still haven't subjected anything else to the same level of scrutiny. If you look for significant patterns in anything for enough time, trying all different types of analysis, of course you will find something that appears designed.

That is no reason to believe it is designed.

Kingfisher2926 said:
I was responding to Hokulele's post. Have you no interest in his point of view on this?
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Her, just FYI.
 
I've been following this thread and to me it's just Corn Dogs the Genesis version.

Please bear with me if I'm a bit dense, but this stuff is convoluted and I think I got lost along the way.

What I still don't understand is that IF (and that's a really big if) the Genesis Seal represents whatever Kingfisher says/thinks it represents, what exactly does one do with it? How is it supposed to be used and what is the supposed outcome of using it?
 
Kingfisher2926 said:
The complete Torah text is as homogeneous a sample as you can get.
I repeat, 48 cases of a 'three' in the entire Torah, and 17 of a 'four'. I do understand what you mean about the sharpshooter principle but look at this:

[qimg]http://www.internationalskeptics.com/forums/imagehosting/thum_544634f06ea8238e4d.png[/qimg]

It shows the juxtaposition of the 'three' and 'four'. Now look at this:

[qimg]http://www.internationalskeptics.com/forums/imagehosting/thum_544634f0442077f3ae.png[/qimg]

It shows the positions of the letters of that same 'three' in the G1 perimeter, which also uses only Genesis 1:1. The inner square-within-a-square is a perfect analogue of the best known, classical proof of the Pythagoras Theorem ahown here:

[qimg]http://www.internationalskeptics.com/forums/imagehosting/thum_544634f06ebf9b5063.png[/qimg]

Please don't try to suggest this is all accidental.
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Looks like you're trying to say you're at Kings' Cross so I move to Charing Cross.
 
Kingfisher2926 said:
My best response is that the Genesis Seal does not provide a story board for only those Egyptian myths. It also presents a concise 'proof' for the famous Pythagoras Theorem, similar story boards for the life of Abraham, of Moses and of Jesus, and all the Number Art that I described in my latest contributory post, only a couple of hours ago. So I was referring to the sort of intellect that would be capable of simultaneously interweaving all those complex themes.
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That still doesn't seem like a superhuman intellect. Someone living in, say, Babylon in the 6th Century BC could easily have been exposed to all of those ideas.
 
Kingfisher:

I'm still waiting for an answer to the last line of my post at 777. If you can't even admit what we all know to be true, then why should anyone listen to your musings about the intentions of the author of Genesis?

It's clear what you believe. Despite your insistence that you have not held to any supernatural belief whilst interpreting your Genesis Seal, I think that is actually exactly what you HAVE done, or at least are now convinced of. You have suggested that elements of your matrix are "prophetic". Doesn't that at least suggest that you may have already concluded that the author of Genesis had the ability to make predictions? If so, where or how could he have acquired such an ability if not through supernatural means?
Or do you think it's merely paranormal in nature and has yet to be explained? (If so then i wish Randi had been alive back then so he could test him. Ah well.)

I assert that you think that the author of Genesis had prophetic abilities which he acquired through some supernatural means.

EQ
 
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