The Genesis Seal

[Kingfisher2926]

No, you need to study kaballah, the truth is that the oral traditions states that god destroyed the first creation with fire. Period.

So you may have found some face in the ink blot, but you really are just making it up. Why is it abraham and not the meaning behind the two creations in genesis?

The ink blot does not reveal just a face. It is the complete architectural drawing for Solomon's Temple, with several faces seen at different windows.

Um, no, god told abraham he would not have to kill 'that which is first out of the matrix' if he cut the end of his penis off.

That was a separate covenant described at Genesis 17.

 

[Dancing David]

And the idea that god destroyed the first creation with fire?

 

[Complexity]

I have the defence that my critics keep moving the goalposts. I actually spent a whole day working up some 'control samples'. I even asked how, when the results were ready, I might get them seen and reviewed. There was no response to the latter; and before I got to the point of having the analysis ready, everyone switched to using Hans' random letter squares instead. That was when I abandoned the analysis I was previously told was essential, and started to engage with everyone's attachment to Hans' test data.

Everyone wants you to stop this nonsense - we differ only in the method of getting you to stop.

Screw it. I don't give a damn if you stop.

I can't think of a single post that you could make on any subject that would have a chance of interesting me. The time has come for me to remove you from my view of reality.

 

[Kingfisher2926]

And the idea that god destroyed the first creation with fire?

I have two responses:

1. Jewish myth would have it that there was not one prior creation but many.
2. It makes more sense to address the evidence of a relationship between the Genesis Seal (the seal upon the start of the Torah) and later detailed episodes.

I have only one lifetime to pursue what is possible.

 

[yy2bggggs]

I have the defence that my critics keep moving the goalposts.

Nobody is moving goalposts. You're just seeing other people respond to a forum thread. We are a collection of individuals, not a hive mind.

I suggested you use period-equivalent Hebrew text as a control. I have not responded to this thread for several days, and have not changed my mind about what you should do.

I actually spent a whole day working up some 'control samples'. I even asked how, when the results were ready, I might get them seen and reviewed. There was no response to the latter; and before I got to the point of having the analysis ready, everyone switched to using Hans' random letter squares instead.

You don't seem to understand what it is you need to do. There's no possible way you could have an analysis ready by now.

The idea here runs counter to the way many people work. What you want to do is to try to destroy your own theory; to prove your theory is right, you must try to prove your theory is wrong. You need to become your theory's own best critic. You must think like "the enemy".

How long exactly did it take you to analyze the various transformations of Genesis? I highly doubt that "a whole day" conveys the amount of work you performed to come up with the Genesis Seal; and remember, the more time you spend looking for patterns, the more patterns you're going to find. Whatever amount of time you spent coming up with the Genesis Seal, you need to spend at least that much time with your control samples--preferably even more, with multiple controls.

In the mean time, this is an open forum. Many people think you're simply wasting your time, and they're trying to convince you as such. I personally think that if you honestly try to prove your theories using legitimate methodologies, you'll wind up finding out they are false; furthermore, I don't think it would be a waste of your time to do so. I'm hoping you'll learn something very important about knowledge and yourself.

And in the off chance that I'm wrong, I welcome your attempts to show me that I am.

That was when I abandoned the analysis I was previously told was essential, and started to engage with everyone's attachment to Hans' test data.

You're free to abandon your analysis as you will. Just note that by abandoning your analysis you are in effect abandoning your attempt to convince us that the Genesis Seal is special.

Hans, and even the rest of the board, are free to take different approaches to convince you that you're wasting your time. Showing you how easily patterns can be found in random text is a legitimate rebuttal--if patterns exist in equivalent sized samples of random text, then it's not unexpected that they should appear in various transformations.

But if you allow me to be blunt, don't look at this forum for moral support in trying to help you prove your theories. As far as I'm aware, only you think the Genesis Seal is special--the rest of us have better things to do with our time.

 

[tsig]

I have two responses:

1. Jewish myth would have it that there was not one prior creation but many.
2. It makes more sense to address the evidence of a relationship between the Genesis Seal (the seal upon the start of the Torah) and later detailed episodes.

I have only one lifetime to pursue what is possible.

Ok, then what's the end game here, what does the Genesis Seal tell you about the world, the future or the past that we don't already know?

From where I sit you have wasted the time you have spent on this so cut your losses and drop it.

 

[Kingfisher2926]

Hans, and even the rest of the board, are free to take different approaches to convince you that you're wasting your time. Showing you how easily patterns can be found in random text is a legitimate rebuttal--if patterns exist in equivalent sized samples of random text, then it's not unexpected that they should appear in various transformations.

But if you allow me to be blunt, don't look at this forum for moral support in trying to help you prove your theories. As far as I'm aware, only you think the Genesis Seal is special--the rest of us have better things to do with our time.

Forgive me being selective in the above quote. I actually find your inputs more that normally pragmatic.
I accept the truth that one days work on my part would not serve the purpose you have suggested. To be realistic, if working alone I would have to spend years more on the project, which I simply could not face. But when you refer to 'how easily patterns can be found in random text is a legitimate rebuttal--if patterns exist in equivalent sized samples of random text, then it's not unexpected that they should appear in various transformations', I want to exercise my right of reply.

To be fair, both sides of this debate are being equally subjective. So, I must make the subjective assessment that the patterns seen in the Genesis Seal are far and away more impressive that any that have been presented by others. I cannot say too often or too plainly that the Genesis Seal exhibits more that just an impressive amount of emergent content (which other offerings do too), but the persistence of form is the extra dimension that ought to tip the scales. I am not just offering quantity here, but huge amounts of high-grade quality that is not reflected in random data sets of similar size.

 

[Kingfisher2926]

Ok, then what's the end game here, what does the Genesis Seal tell you about the world, the future or the past that we don't already know?

The end-game is open ended. An early shot in the dark by someone suggested I might be trying to plug sales for a book. Though that is not true, I reserve the right to put my material into book form at a later time. At the moment, I am content to put the information into the public domain here in the JREF Forum. Even if it does not bear the official stamp of 'scientific rigour', I believe it could be of interest to people of diverse backgrounds, who may find it useful in their own research in a variety of subjects. The applications of the Genesis Seal are manifold, in which I can only scratch the surface. A researcher in French mediaeval literature, for example, will not necessarily demand scientific rigour of the source (of the type discussed here) to find the Genesis Seal has a potential role in their work.

 

[Kingfisher2926]

Ok, then what's the end game here, what does the Genesis Seal tell you about the world, the future or the past that we don't already know?

In my first reply I missed a subtle undercurrent, that the Genesis Seal might be some sort of supernatural oracle. If that is the sort of thinking that has become attached to me or my motive, then please put it out of your mind.

 

[Dancing David]

I have two responses:

[*]Jewish myth would have it that there was not one prior creation but many.

Nope that is what the bible shows as well, things are going along and bam, oops it starts all over again, god extended judgement without mercy and whoosh the world went up in flame.

So your standard of evidence is pick and choose as well, two starts in the bible...

[*]It makes more sense to address the evidence of a relationship between the Genesis Seal (the seal upon the start of the Torah) and later detailed episodes.

I have only one lifetime to pursue what is possible.

It makes sense to you because that is your choice to say so, the 'fire' in the 'beginning' could have many interpretations.

So keep picking and choosing... ignore the actual tradition you are working in...

BR בר : grain
ASH אֵשׁ : fire
ITH יח : unit


make an offering of grain?

 

[Dancing David]

A researcher in French mediaeval literature, for example, will not necessarily demand scientific rigour of the source (of the type discussed here) to find the Genesis Seal has a potential role in their work.

What *************, which source are you hiding, Holy Blood Holy Grail, the Tale of Desperaux?

keeping dancing, it helps the floor show.

 

[Kingfisher2926]

BR בר : grain
ASH אֵשׁ : fire
ITH יח : unit

How the heck do you insert Hebrew letters? If you tell me that, I can do a more bespoke reply.

 

[Kingfisher2926]

What *************, which source are you hiding, Holy Blood Holy Grail, the Tale of Desperaux?

keeping dancing, it helps the floor show.

No. Baigent, Leigh and Lincoln have no idea where the basic ideas came from that led to their interesting, but flawed Magdalene hypothesis.

 

[Hokulele]

... I am not just offering quantity here, but huge amounts of high-grade quality that is not reflected in random data sets of similar size.

My bolding.

If you have never done a similar amount of analysis on another data set, how do you know this is true?

 

[RobDegraves]

A researcher in French mediaeval literature, for example, will not necessarily demand scientific rigour of the source (of the type discussed here) to find the Genesis Seal has a potential role in their work.

As a historian, and one versed in French medieval literature, I can assure you that the Genesis Seal has no potential role in any academic work of any type.

It's just a boringly obvious delusion that you simply can't recognize as such, despite everyone else seeing it and trying to point it out.

 

[Pup]

It's just a boringly obvious delusion that you simply can't recognize as such, despite everyone else seeing it and trying to point it out.

^ This is the whole problem. Most of us have run into people who have some sort of obsession with meaningless patterns. Just bring up "corndogs" on this forum...

Kingfisher2926, if you want your audience to take this seriously, the biggest step is convincing them you're not one of those people. Personally, I don't think that's possible.

 

[Kingfisher2926]

My bolding.

If you have never done a similar amount of analysis on another data set, how do you know this is true?

Some of my most severe critics have elected to use the 8x8 random matrix devised by MRC_Hans as a rough and ready comparator. Despite their wild enthusiasm for the emergent content it displays, none of it comes close to matching the consistency of the Genesis Seal in its visually arresting combinations of emergent content.

Besides, the second strand of my hypothesis is barely acknowledged at all. This is where I conjecture that others in the past may have stumbled upon the same effect, interpreting it as a divine revelation from the creator to whom the source text refers. I am presently working up a series of posts that show evidence of this possibility. The usual come-back is: If the Genesis Seal is a new discovery on my part, how can it have affected history? To which I have already replied that historical pressures have tended to lead to knowledge of the Seal's existence falling into obscurity. Those pressures are often driven by a fragile Establishment, such as the mediaeval Church of Rome, that persecuted anyone who dared to hold up the heretical Genesis Seal as a challenge to the Apostolic Succession on which the Church's 'God-given' authority is founded.

 

[dafydd]

Some of my most severe critics have elected to use the 8x8 random matrix devised by MRC_Hans as a rough and ready comparator. Despite their wild enthusiasm for the emergent content it displays, none of it comes close to matching the consistency of the Genesis Seal in its visually arresting combinations of emergent content.

Besides, the second strand of my hypothesis is barely acknowledged at all. This is where I conjecture that others in the past may have stumbled upon the same effect, interpreting it as a divine revelation from the creator to whom the source text refers. I am presently working up a series of posts that show evidence of this possibility. The usual come-back is: If the Genesis Seal is a new discovery on my part, how can it have affected history? To which I have already replied that historical pressures have tended to lead to knowledge of the Seal's existence falling into obscurity. Those pressures are often driven by a fragile Establishment, such as the mediaeval Church of Rome, that persecuted anyone who dared to hold up the heretical Genesis Seal as a challenge to the Apostolic Succession on which the Church's 'God-given' authority is founded.

Dream on.

 

[Kingfisher2926]

^ This is the whole problem. Most of us have run into people who have some sort of obsession with meaningless patterns. Just bring up "corndogs" on this forum...

Kingfisher2926, if you want your audience to take this seriously, the biggest step is convincing them you're not one of those people. Personally, I don't think that's possible.

Can you point me in the direction of a good explanation of this 'corndogs' thing?

 

[Dancing David]

How the heck do you insert Hebrew letters? If you tell me that, I can do a more bespoke reply.

You can use the character map, but it is easier to copy them from web pages. It is just a silly thing anyhow. So you can open your character map and then use a web page to help you select the letters, in reverse order.

I am just pointing out that the word brashit טשארב already has hidden meanings, if you want to go down the rabbit hole.