The Genesis Seal

Kingfisher2926 said:
It took me a while to twig one of the criticisms of my assertion. That was the one where I must have 'tried hundreds of options until I found one that I liked'. In reality, I got started on the basis of only two, which are still the foundation of everything else. That sort of scuppers the confirmation bias argument, don't you think?
I like your comment about telling the difference between one that was made off of a page from the Torah and one which was made from a Hebrew translation of War and Peace. My response has to be that if I placed the Genesis Seal before a practiced reader of Hebrew with no explanation, he/she would have no difficulty recognising what it is, because the text of Genesis 1:1-2 used in the Seal retains its original order.[/QUOTE]

That doesn't matter. The fact that you do not realize that it doesn't matter speaks volumes.
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RobDegraves said:
A delusion is a false belief held with absolute conviction despite superior evidence.
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Such evidence as has been presented is far from superior. The most reasonable argument against my Genesis Seal hypothesis has been that I have presented it without supporting evidence of the kind that my critics prefer to deal in. I am more than satisfied for the Genesis Seal to be measured against something like the 8x8 random letter square offered by MRC_Hans.So far, the Genesis Seal is streets ahead.
 
Donn said:
Hans, what would you say to KF's constant refrain about symmetry and shapes?
I regret I did not follow his posts very well, the Hebrew made it tough, but there's some notion of repeating shapes that he then finds meaningful words within.
I get the impression that his matrix can change in size, but those shapes/positions always yield something.

(I'd hate to leave him thinking we were fighting a windmill over here while he was pointing to the dragon over there.)
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Donn, Would I be right in thinking you have not yet had a reply to this? It is an important issue that has been woefully neglected. Example here:
 
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RobDegraves said:
Basically Kingfisher is just going to keep on posting his genesis seal material, despite any evidence that it's just pointless nonsense?
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I have not seen any convincing evidence. And I shall keep posting, simply to put this material in the public domain.
 
Kingfisher2926 said:
Such evidence as has been presented is far from superior. The most reasonable argument against my Genesis Seal hypothesis has been that I have presented it without supporting evidence of the kind that my critics prefer to deal in. I am more than satisfied for the Genesis Seal to be measured against something like the 8x8 random letter square offered by MRC_Hans.So far, the Genesis Seal is streets ahead.
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Whether that's good or bad depends on where you're heading.
 
I have not seen any convincing evidence.
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And you won't... that is what makes you delusional.

And I shall keep posting, simply to put this material in the public domain.
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And you still won't have any credibility until you prove that your seal is anything else than the product of an unbalanced mind.

Seriously... is there any way that any of us can convince you that you need professional help?

I'm not trying to be mean but it really does seem that nothing will help you see how ludicrous this is. That you wasted several years on this is pretty bad. For us to continue to enable your illness is likely worse.


What are you trying to accomplish here?
 
Kingfisher2926 said:
Such evidence as has been presented is far from superior. The most reasonable argument against my Genesis Seal hypothesis has been that I have presented it without supporting evidence of the kind that my critics prefer to deal in. I am more than satisfied for the Genesis Seal to be measured against something like the 8x8 random letter square offered by MRC_Hans.So far, the Genesis Seal is streets ahead.
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Good on you Kingfisher. Even when reality threatens to dislodge your singular obsession, you still plough on regardless. You are a most tenacious fellow, and i applaud you for it. When your Seal was effectively replicated and shown to be nothing more than chance convergence, you still soldiered on relentlessly anyway. When non-believers proved that you were simply seeing what you wanted to see, imprinting interpretations upon "patterns" that weren't actually there, you rightly waved them away and continued to fly the flag for the Genesis Seal. Hell you've even given them additional iterations of the grid which whilst still completely failing for exactly the same reasons, still haven't led to the the rightful recognition that you deserve. And through all of it you have had to suffer the slings and arrows from those less enlightened than you, all for the sake of your brand new discovery. I understand your pain. You are a true warrior, sir, and i truly admire the fact when the chips are down and you are feeling like you're at the mercy of an angry, uniformed mob you still have the fortitude to adopt that age-old adage: "when all else fails then a "blatant refusal to accept facts in the face" will always see you through.
 
Now for the next instalment:

OK, I have now looked at the next iterations.

As we have already established that a randomized matrix can yield patterns in-determinedly, so there is no reason to explore that path.

Instead, I shall explore the more subjective path of finding patterns that seem interesting, and by rearranging try to create some narrative. I will re-arrange in predetermined repetitive steps, so I can't be accused of doctoring the sequences.

I start by taking Myriad's three words:

Try
Icy
Remap

I notice that the latter is actually: I remap co

Since the string cannot be more than 8 letters, I suspect the last word is abbreviated. For now I assume it stands for "code"

There is also "fun" and "tell". I'm not sure what those signify.

Notice that the remap sentence forms a bar that can be interpreted as a balance, weighing the two words "try" and "icy" against each other. Respectfully, I will abandon Myriad's interpretation of "icy" and instead interpret it as equivalent to "cool". So the balance tells us to "try to remap code" and the goal seems to make it cool. So we must make "try" outweigh "icy".

I will use Kingfisher's spiral scheme, but clockwise to move the balance in the right direction. I choose to start in the lower right corner.

So we look at iteration #1.

The first thing we notice is that "try2 and "remap" have now disappeared. This makes sense, since that message is delivered and acted upon.

"Icy" is still visible, as is "fun". They are, of course, shifted in position. A couple of new words have emerged:

Pool
Toy
Mall
Hot

The three first do not immediately make sense, except perhaps "toy"; are we only playing here?

Very interesting is "hot" which has emerged just beside "icy", and in the same direction. What is happening here?

Let us make another iteration (#2):

Obviously, "hot" and "icy" are now moving synchronously up the left side. The fun is still there. There was a 'LOL' present in iteration #1 (which I ignored), but now there are two, so together with 'fun', this must be significant. Note also that the two 'LOL' form a pattern known as the "spaceship" in the venerated game of Life. This pattern will wander across the screen in the game, permuting itself en route, but constantly existing.

So now we have allusions to fun, both as the word itself, but also the modern internet term 'LOL', and we have a reference to the game of Life. Since Life is also about letter patterns, we can take this to refer to real life, and a spaceship, no less. Note the "we" in a very noticeable position, so this could be spaceship we all occupy, Earth. Add to this the fact that "hot" and "icy" are still rising as started when we tipped the balance, this seems to evolve into a message about global warming. So far "icy" is leading, but that may not last. We also notice that the word "duo" has appeared, presumably alluding to the dual poles of hot and icy. Entirely embedded in three other words, the word "oil" has also made an appearance: We are certainly in for something about global warming.

We'd better look at iteration #3:

The plot really thickens, now. The LOL spaceship has disappeared, having served its purpose of signalling that we are talking about Earth.

"Hot" and "icy" are still on the rise, as expected. "We" is still present, as is "fun". However several ominous words have shown up, not least "CIA", forming a cross with "oil". - Didn't we all know deep down that those two were somehow involved? There is also a horizontal "oil" at a right angle with the other. Will we get a new angle on oil?

Then "paloa" has appeared. This is a fairly rare word, which can mean 'fire'! Suddenly the heat is in majority. There are also "duo" and "tri" which could must mean that one factor is to be doubled, another tripled. So in our global warming message, we have the unholy cross between oil and CIA, "duo" sits between "icy" and "paloa" so fire and ice forms a duo. This makes sense, because as the planet heats, the ice melts, so this duo starts our troubles. Then it gets hot, which triples our problems as water rises even more. Scary!

We rush to iteration #4:

This one seems to clear up things. The CIA/oil duo is still strong; hot and cold still battle. "Tri" is still there, but its star is falling. So omitting it, I notice that the patterns concentrate in one section. The oil conflict is crucial, hot and cold will battle long. There are other patterns, but which are emerging and which are flukes is too early to tell.

QED: From an input, which can be proved NOT to contain hidden codes, it is entirely possible, by systematic methods, to produce a sequence of patterns that can be coupled to an existing real-world narrative.

I have now done exactly as Kingfisher:

- I have taken a random piece of prose.
- I have rearranged it a matrix in way that scrambles its original sequence.
- I have performed a series of iterative re-arrangements in a systematic way.
- I have extracted words and positional patterns from the result and strung them together into a narrative that form a meaningful message about something external (in this case the real world).

The one significant difference is that I have incontrovertible proof that the initial piece of prose did NOT contain a deliberate message.


Hans
 

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You are a very clever man, Hans. The word "WOW" is all i can muster right now, but hell you nailed it.
 
Hans, can you construct a matrix that says 'Kingfisher will ignore this and plough on regardless of reality'?
 
dafydd said:
Hans, can you construct a matrix that says 'Kingfisher will ignore this and plough on regardless of reality'?
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Sure!

F Q A B B W E U
Y A H I U I O N
L P S L F L Y G
Y G K T D L Y Q
R F G J P B D S
A F D R I F G Y
F W U R G T J I
Y G D U H B I J

:cool:

Hans
 
Oh, for pete's sake - Return of the Bride of the Son of the Corn Gods! This nonsense should be consigned to one of the four thousand holes in Blackburn, Lancashire.

I've just tried the 8x8 grid thing with the first 64 letters of The Wind in the Willows. Imagine my surprise when it revealed a clear warning against drinking and gambling:

"HALT before making a BET or entering an INN - you may end up feeling ILL, or having a ROW resulting in a split LIP. NO, watch an episode of LENO instead (however LAME) or read a book about ROME."

Truly, Kenneth Grahame was a wise man.
 
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