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The Genesis Seal

dafydd said:
Give us an example of it being discovered. Bet you can’t.
Kingfisher2926 said:
I have promised to do so, but only when I have had (been given) a chance to present enough information.
dafydd said:
Nobody is stopping you. The floor is yours.

Having promised to show a relationship between the Genesis Seal and Pythagoras, I am now able to kill several birds with one stone. For one thing, I had previously claimed that the Genesis Seal must also have influenced the Ancient Egyptian priesthood, the Babylonian priesthood and the Jews in exile in Babylon. In fact, all those threads of Seal awareness probably came together at the same time, with Pythagoras possibly taking a leading role. It is indicative of a shared influence that the first evidence of a coherent Hebrew Torah may be dated to around the end of the Babylonian Exile (bc587 to c.538). So much for the possibility of the Torah having been dictated by God to Moses, letter-by-letter.
The Greek philosopher Pythagoras (bc581 to 497) is now best remembered for his contributions to Man’s understanding of geometry. Yet geometry was only a part of a broader esoteric philosophy. Pythagoras’ beliefs were based on his fact-finding journeys that took him to India and Egypt (where he stayed for around 22 years), and to Babylon (where he would have encountered the Jews in exile). His stay in India could easily have exposed Pythagoras to humanity’s first experiments in a positional form of decimal arithmetic, similar to the system we use today. As I shall show, that alone would have given the Greek scholar a head start in understanding the Genesis Seal.
The period of Pythagoras’ travels was undoubtedly one of widespread cultural enlightenment, a veritable renaissance. This was, after all, the same era that gave rise to the Gautama Buddha (bc563 to c.483). History records all of these facts, but remains unaware that there could have been a specific, common cause or inspiration.
[Enter the Genesis Seal]
If you have read my post #119, you will be aware of a notable geometrical attribute of the first verse of Genesis that is greatly enhanced in the context of the G1 Square’s perimeter. This is the presence of a square-within-a-square, created by the letters of the word for ‘three’, equally spaced at the mid-points of the perimeter’s four (seven-letter) sides. I shall repeat that illustration later, in Figure 6, as just one component of a related collection. First, take a look at Figure 5(a), which shows the same four sides of that perimeter, stacked from the top downwards. For obvious reasons, the word shelosheh (three) occupies the complete middle column of the matrix. I have also included the external latter ayin, prefixed to the first row as per the G1 to G2 transformation (see my post #288); keep in mind that the perimeters of the G1 and G2 Squares are the same. The result of this addition is that the word arba (four) is found abutting the word for ‘three’ with a right-angle between them. It is tempting to suppose that this might be a deliberate allusion to a standard 3:4:5 right-angle triangle. But, is there any other supporting evidence for such a conclusion?


Well, part (b) of Figure 5 is included for that very reason. Here, each letter is replaced by its equivalent qatan (small) value. These are given in the ‘Q-val’ column of Table A in my post #289. Notice especially that the vertical word for ‘three’ in the middle column gives rise to a 3335 group, which utilises every occurrence of a 3 to be present in Genesis 1:1. I have also highlighted every occurrence of a 5 in this matrix, showing there to be one in each of the middle three columns, and none elsewhere. And each 5 can be associated with the right-angle position of a compact 3-4-5 triangular group.
Now we come to the artistic bit. Figure 6(a) shows the G1/G2 perimeter, highlighting the square-within-a-square word for ‘three’, and its obvious similarity to part (b). Parts (b) and (c), however, illustrate a well-known proof of the famous Theorem of Pythagoras that goes: In a right-angled triangle, the square described on the hypotenuse is equal in area to the sum of the squares described on the sides containing the right-angle.



The really important point to notice is, of course, that it is the same word shelosheh (three) that participates in the proof of the Theorem and in the construction of a 3:4:5 triangle that illustrates the same Theorem.

To round out this post, I should like to show some other ways in which the matrix of Figure 5(b) makes use of triangles. These examples depend on the kind of decimal arithmetic that Pythagoras would have encountered in India.
First, the words for ‘three’ and ‘four’ give rise to digit sequences of 3335 and 1227, respectively. If read as 4-digit decimal numbers, their ratio is: 3335 / 1227 = 2.7180
…which is within 0.01% of the value of the number e, the base of Natural Logarithms.

Second, in the top-right corner Figure 5(b), there is a compact triangular group consisting of three 2s and three 1s. As 222111, this is the 666th triangular number.

Third, in the centre-right of the matrix, there is a triangular 1-1-3-3-5-5 sequence. Separating these digits into left and right halves will suggest the ratio: 355 / 113 = 3.1415929
…which is within 0.00001% of the value of Pi.

Finally, note that the bottom row of the matrix includes all of the first seven decimal digits of the fractional part of Pi. That is, all except the initial whole-number 3, which is represented by the middle column.

All the observations in this post are easily verifiable. So, did Pythagoras see confirmation in the Genesis Seal for his own brilliant understanding of Geometry? Or, did he learn everything from the remarkable Seal while mixing with ‘esoteric’ adepts in Egypt, India and elsewhere? While most of the examples of arithmetic presented in this post would not have been possible before a decimal system was developed, it is intriguing to speculate that Pythagoras was in the right place at the right time to have seeded those very concepts using knowledge obtained elsewhere.
 
A perfect number is one that is half the sum of its factors.
A Perfect Number is any whole number that is the sum of its own real factors, including 1, but no duplicates. So 6 = 1+2+3, and 28 = 1+2+4+7+14. They all also happen to be triangular numbers.
 
Unwarranted assumption. He was there at the right time; and I didnt invent the Hebrew creation account.

You are the one making unwarranted assumptions. And I'm glad that you realise that your word game is based on a fiction.
 
Having promised to show a relationship between the Genesis Seal and Pythagoras, I am now able to kill several birds with one stone. For one thing, I had previously claimed that the Genesis Seal must also have influenced the Ancient Egyptian priesthood, the Babylonian priesthood and the Jews in exile in Babylon.

That will probably be impossible. Our concrete knowledge of that era is very limited.

In fact, all those threads of Seal awareness probably came together at the same time, with Pythagoras possibly taking a leading role. It is indicative of a shared influence that the first evidence of a coherent Hebrew Torah may be dated to around the end of the Babylonian Exile (bc587 to c.538).
Probably, possibly ..... Let's face it, this is pure speculation.

So much for the possibility of the Torah having been dictated by God to Moses, letter-by-letter.
Well, I'm glad to see you don't buy into that nonsense.

The Greek philosopher Pythagoras (bc581 to 497) is now best remembered for his contributions to Man’s understanding of geometry. Yet geometry was only a part of a broader esoteric philosophy. Pythagoras’ beliefs were based on his fact-finding journeys that took him to India and Egypt (where he stayed for around 22 years), and to Babylon (where he would have encountered the Jews in exile). His stay in India could easily have exposed Pythagoras to humanity’s first experiments in a positional form of decimal arithmetic, similar to the system we use today. As I shall show, that alone would have given the Greek scholar a head start in understanding the Genesis Seal.
First of all, we don't know Pythagora's history to that extent. It is highly probable that he is a historical person, but our knowledge of his life story is largely anecdotes.

Secondly, there is no indication in what we know about him that he took any special interest in the Torah. He travelled to Egypt, Babylon, and possibly India. His only contact with Jews (and the only one you claim) seems to be exiles in various places. We don't even know if he knew any Hebrew at all. After all, he was a Greek, and spoke a main language of the time.

The period of Pythagoras’ travels was undoubtedly one of widespread cultural enlightenment, a veritable renaissance. This was, after all, the same era that gave rise to the Gautama Buddha (bc563 to c.483). History records all of these facts, but remains unaware that there could have been a specific, common cause or inspiration.
What role could a few words derived from the scripture of a, even then rather despised, minority religion possibly have played?


[Enter the Genesis Seal]
If you have read my post #119, you will be aware of a notable geometrical attribute of the first verse of Genesis that is greatly enhanced in the context of the G1 Square’s perimeter. This is the presence of a square-within-a-square, created by the letters of the word for ‘three’, equally spaced at the mid-points of the perimeter’s four (seven-letter) sides.
Pal, ANY points taken from an 8x8 matrix must necessarily form a geometrical pattern. There is no other way they can be arranged.

*snip* The result of this addition is that the word arba (four) is found abutting the word for ‘three’ with a right-angle between them. It is tempting to suppose that this might be a deliberate allusion to a standard 3:4:5 right-angle triangle.
It is only a right angle because you have chosen to draw it that way.

All the observations in this post are easily verifiable.
And artefacts of the fact that you have arbitrarily chosen to work in an 8x8 matrix, where right-angled triangles will abound.

So, did Pythagoras see confirmation in the Genesis Seal for his own brilliant understanding of Geometry?
No, he saw it in facts. Listen, Pythagoras' rule is not exactly rocket science. The brilliance lies in realizing that it is a universal rule, but you can confirm it experimentally.

Or, did he learn everything from the remarkable Seal while mixing with ‘esoteric’ adepts in Egypt, India and elsewhere? While most of the examples of arithmetic presented in this post would not have been possible before a decimal system was developed, it is intriguing to speculate that Pythagoras was in the right place at the right time to have seeded those very concepts using knowledge obtained elsewhere.
I have highlighted the key word, here. You are speculating. Wildly.

You have not shown that the pattern is deliberate, and you haven not even made probable that there should be a connection to Pythagoras of Samos.

Hans
 
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Why are threads starting this way never actually posted by skeptics?
We are just using incompatible definitions of what skepticism is. You appear to beileve it means rejecting out-of-hand anything that looks unorthodox (correct me if that is an unwarranted assumption).
My definition of skepticism involves questioning something that at first looks improbable. Then test it (in the case of the Genesis Seal, my tests have been fairly informal). If the something passes enough tests, then it is worth investigating further. In the case of the Genesis Seal, every additional step in my investigation has thrown up more of the same, all very consistent, coherent and unnatural.
 
In the case of the Genesis Seal, every additional step in my investigation has thrown up more of the same, all very consistent, coherent and unnatural.

You still need to demonstrate that the block of letters you've put together contains significantly more random words than a series of control groups of blocks of letters from other stories in the same language.

Another poster brought up the point that you haven't given a motive for the hidden text. The point to hiding a code inside a text would be to add an extra or alternative meaning or hidden message that you intend to get to someone, but you haven't demonstrated anything along these lines - the only words you appear to be able to find don't tell us anything interesting or new.
 
Pythagoras’ beliefs were based on his fact-finding journeys that took him to India and Egypt (where he stayed for around 22 years), and to Babylon .. History records all of these facts

Where does history record these facts? Any references? A quick google finds only doubt (yay!) and foolishness (boo!)

So, did Pythagoras see confirmation in the Genesis Seal .. Or, did he learn everything from the remarkable Seal while mixing with ‘esoteric’ adepts in Egypt, India and elsewhere?

That's enough, I'm convinced! Does the Seal do personal readings? What noise annoys an oyster? How many woodchucks could?
 
You still need to demonstrate that the block of letters you've put together contains significantly more random words than a series of control groups of blocks of letters from other stories in the same language.

Most excellent point. Do that.
 
We are just using incompatible definitions of what skepticism is. You appear to beileve it means rejecting out-of-hand anything that looks unorthodox (correct me if that is an unwarranted assumption).

It is an unwarranted assumption.

My definition of skepticism involves questioning something that at first looks improbable. Then test it (in the case of the Genesis Seal, my tests have been fairly informal).

That is not necessarily incompatible with scepticism, but you cannot test all that is improbable.

If the something passes enough tests, then it is worth investigating further. In the case of the Genesis Seal, every additional step in my investigation has thrown up more of the same, all very consistent, coherent and unnatural.

Here is where you falter: What you observe is consistent, coherent, and entirely natural. It is exactly what we would expect when looking for patterns in random data: You will randomly encounter patterns.

Hans
 
My definition of skepticism involves questioning something that at first looks improbable. Then test it (in the case of the Genesis Seal, my tests have been fairly informal). If the something passes enough tests, then it is worth investigating further.
Your tests are of no consequence. You keep repeating the same error. Your algorithm is:
1. Find a pattern
2. Calculate the probability that the pattern would appear by chance
3. Conclude that the pattern is not there by chance

The probability that you'll reach step 2 is equal to the probability that you'll find a pattern at all. Since there are lots of possible patterns for you to find, this is actually a fairly high probability.

The probability you calculate in 2 is worthless. You should be calculating something like: "Given I found pattern x here, what is the probability that pattern x is here", and that probability is 1. There's no meaning to the calculations you're doing because you already found the pattern.

If you find a pattern at all in 1, you'll reach 3. All you're doing in this entire exercise is fooling yourself.
In the case of the Genesis Seal, every additional step in my investigation has thrown up more of the same, all very consistent, coherent and unnatural.
Hardly. Finding patterns in text that is already patterned (like natural language) is quite ordinary. Finding "significant" patterns is ordinary (it's the same exact algorithm--you simply cull out "insignificant" ones).

Nothing impressive is going on here because you're finding the pattern before you're computing the probability that it's there. And when you do that, the probability that it's there is 1 not because it's unnatural, but because you found it.
 
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We are just using incompatible definitions of what skepticism is. You appear to beileve it means rejecting out-of-hand anything that looks unorthodox (correct me if that is an unwarranted assumption).My definition of skepticism involves questioning something that at first looks improbable. Then test it (in the case of the Genesis Seal, my tests have been fairly informal). If the something passes enough tests, then it is worth investigating further. In the case of the Genesis Seal, every additional step in my investigation has thrown up more of the same, all very consistent, coherent and unnatural.

So we're not true skeptics unless we believe your woo?
 
So, basically, the first words from Genesis come from a Hebrew word search puzzle.

Does Deuteronomy come from a Hebrew crossword? Or is it more like Soduku?
 
I've always thought that behaviour like the OP's is not only wrong, but also an insult to their intuition.

They had a flash, an idea, some inspiration. They went about teasing the thing until it pleased them.
Here, they present themselves as skeptical and serious. They proceed to ignore and misread all criticism — therein insulting their initial inspiration.
How? They claim to be right but daren't risk error. A tight-rope walker who will not check their shoelace. It's almost an obsessive disorder; there's an impulsion that suggests if one tests the hypothesis, the outcome will be jinxed; therefore do not test it.
The hypothesis is now only a means to continue titillation. It is void of any honesty; brimming with illusion.

To not test your own ideas is to soil them and call them clean.
 
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