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the Babylonian one I did based on the Enuma Elish has multiple references to Tiamat. You'll know why thats significant, Kingfisher won't of course
The Genesis Seal
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the Babylonian one I did based on the Enuma Elish has multiple references to Tiamat. You'll know why thats significant, Kingfisher won't of course
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Also a piece of software that loads the linux kernel.
If that doesnt blow your mind, I dont know what will.
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If it is inly re-discovered now, by you, how can you claim it has had an impact on history?
You know what, Kingfisher2926? You are following an all too well-known pattern of smoke-screening. People are already beginning to call you a troll. I don't think you are, but if you want to be regarded as sincere, you must stop beating around the bush and present what you think you have.
Forget trying to first convince us that your first step is true. Your case is far from strong enough. Present your whole thesis, as it might be stronger in its totality. - Or not, but at least we will save time.
I think you have the same problem as many other believers who come here and find that their brilliant arguments fall to the ground: Because it appears so clear to you, you think that when we reject it, it must be because we don't fully understand it. That is not the case; we are a fairly bright bunch here, and we quite understand your argument, we just don't find it convincing.
So, to sum up: Don't keep trying to make people accept your initial argument. You failed, and will continue to do so. Instead, move on, or give up.
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This is exactly what I mean: You think you can convince people step by step, but you have FAILED. Your first step failed, and it will keep failing, because you have already exhausted your arguments for it.
So, move on! Any chance you might have of presenting a convincing case lies in your subsequent argumentation.
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What chance? What is keeping you?
Just start typing!Oh, you mean that you don't have enough information?
Well, tough luck.
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Why an 8X8 grid anyway? As far as I know the hebrews (for who the text was presumably ment) used a decimal system and would therefore be likely to use a 10x10 arrangement.
And why not use binary language and create a machine code that would give a running program? Now THAT would be something that is nearly impossible to explain.
Simirlarly if you were to find the exact same message in EVERY religious text you'd have found something worthy of note unlike finding a pattern in one little text of one of the many many religions at the time.
And why not use binary language and create a machine code that would give a running program? Now THAT would be something that is nearly impossible to explain.
Simirlarly if you were to find the exact same message in EVERY religious text you'd have found something worthy of note unlike finding a pattern in one little text of one of the many many religions at the time.
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dafydd post 225 said:
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dafydd post 225 said:
OK, I shall make a modest start in that direction based on the limited scope offered by the stage reached in presenting background information. But I need to show first the G2 Square.
The G2 view of the Genesis Seal differs only a little from G1, and in a way that is best explained retrospectively (partly in my next post). Here it is, presented ready-made:
Remember those 9 copies of the letter vav that, in the G1 Square, were constrained to the lower half. Also, five of them occupied a very distinctive ‘Y’ formation placed directly over the square’s vertical diagonal. Well, look now at Figure 4, and the way 8 of those 9 letters have become re-aligned into a meandering formation that looks enough like a Hebrew letter lamed for it to take that name. Also, remember my post #136, which showed the linear expression: Behold, a river! constrained to the same vertical diagonal of the G1 Square. In the G2 Square, we now see a meandering formation that may fairly be called the Lamed River. I shall come to other notable content of the G2 Square after I have explained the G1 G2 transformation.
Despite the striking change to the arrangement of eight copies of the letter vav, no letter in the new square has moved by more than one position from where it was in G1. In fact, only the letters in the central 4x4 zone (partitioned in Figure 4) have moved at all, and then only in a tightly constrained fashion. The initial clue as to how to achieve the transformation is given by the part of Genesis 1:2 where is becomes truncated at the centre of the square. In translation, it reads: And the spirit of God moved upon the face of the waters. The proper interpretation depends on two extra observations. First, since the Lamed-River formation utilises only the letter vav, then the same letter might have represented water in a less ordered form in the G1 Square. Then ask: If that is the ‘face of the water’, what might represent the ‘spirit of God’? The intended conclusion I found is the sole letter ayin to be present in the Genesis Seal, because of its affinity for the number 7, so:
1. This ayin in initially in position #49 (7x7) in the source text and on the horizontal diagonal of the G1 Square.
2. Ayin is the 16th letter of the Hebrew alphabet, and is also the 16th letter from the point of truncation in the G1 Square.
3. Ayin represents a value of 70 (eg for numbering verses in Hebrew bibles), but is stripped of its trailing zero for other purposes.
Even biblical scholars have noted that the spirit of the number 7 runs much deeper in the creation account than just the number of days in which it is set.
However, these details represent only a ‘clue worth checking’, though there are other reasons for accepting them that I shall come to later. The upshot, however, is that the letter ayin is meant to be removed from its regular place and migrated, like a spirit over the water, to a position just outside the entrance to the G2 Square. When this letter is first removed it leaves a hole, which then emulates a bubble (another water metaphor) by migrating in the opposite direction. In other words, all letters following the 49th (within the partitioned 4x4 zone) shift one place in the direction of the beginning. When the hole reaches the centre, it is filled by drawing in the letter that was previously the first to be excluded by truncation.
Only 16 letters have been required to move, but in a strictly controlled way. Among them are only three copies of the letter vav, which happen to be the ones that were seen in a striking ‘V’ formation - the upper part of the distinctive ‘Y’. The most prominent outcome is an even more striking new headline image – the Lamed River. But an equally important result is the creation of the word arba (four), the result of adding the new ayin prefix to the normally first three letters of the verse. As I explained in an earlier post, if those three letters are isolated, they would mean: He created.
The new headline image is not the only river to be generated by the G1 to G2 transformation. Towards the upper right, there is now a vertical parot, the Hebrew name for the River Euphrates. Notice especially how this parot occupies a complete diagonal of what had, in G1, been ‘a garden eastward in Eden’ (Gen.2:8). This is a good enough reason to compare what has happened in the Genesis Seal with the text from two verses later, thus: And a river went out of Eden to water the garden; and from thence it was parted and became unto four heads (Gen.2:10). Why four heads? Probably because the word arba (four) now overlaps the first word of the creation account, which in turn is based on the root word rosh, meaning ‘a head’.
After Genesis 2:10, the next four verses name and describe the four new rivers, three of which are now recognisable in the G2 Square. One is, of course, the new Lamed River. Another is the Euphrates, which is the last to be listed in Genesis 2. Another is the perimeter shared by both the G1 and G2 squares, that is named at Genesis 2:11 as …Pison: that is it which compasseth the whole land of Havilah, where there is gold. As we have seen, the word for ‘gold’ is generated at the point where the last word of Genesis 1:1 loops back onto its first letter, encompassing the text that is added afterwards. Bit by bit, we come to see the mind of the author.
There are two more, notable features that I wish to make plain, without going on to explain their wider purposes. I may do that in later posts. The first is the word rechem (a womb), the letters of which now occupy the positions of the three copies of vav that have moved. In other words, this womb replaces the upper ‘V’ portion of the prominent ‘Y’ formation that has now been transformed into the Lamed River. This womb has several roles in presaging later biblical narratives, but even more in explaining aspects of well-known mediaeval literature. Exactly the same points apply to the word cherev (a sword) that underpins the womb. So, it is fair to mention that the three letters of the womb can also combine as the word for ‘a spear’.
Two special outcomes of the G1 to G2 transformation are worth emphasising. They are both examples of the same principle. One is the emergence of the River Euphrates, in exactly the same position that had previously been the Garden of Eden. The other is the transformation of the headline ‘Y’ shape into both a river, and a womb through which the river flows.
In future posts, I shall be able to describe how many combinations of the features seen in Figure 4 have been the inspiration for later biblical narratives as well as for well-known historical events. First, however, in my next post, I intend to show two ways in which the G1 to G2 transformation has become established in two particular Jewish myths.
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The role of the Genesis Seal in Jewish Mythology
It is to be expected that recognition of the Genesis Seal would normally happen in a Jewish setting, where close examination of the Hebrew Torah is the norm, not the exception. That is why the following two myths (one may be a legend) have become parts of an extensive oral tradition.
1) The Righteous Ones
In some Jewish circles there is a belief (or it may be a fairytale) that there are always 36 especially righteous men in the world, any one of whom would be capable of becoming the long-awaited Messiah. Formally, they are known as the Tzadiqim – literally ‘The Righteous Ones’. None of them is aware of his own true nature, nor the identities of the other 35. But what is the significance of the number 36 that it should become enshrined in a legend such as this one?
The answer may be concealed in the less-formal name: The Lamed Vavniks, which is easily recognised as an adaptation of the names of Hebrew letters: lamed and vav. And it is evident that the same two letters have important roles in the G2 aspect of the Genesis Seal. Or it is enough that Jewish mystics have believed that to be the case. The new headline image in the G2 Square (Figure 4 in Post 288) takes the form of a letter lamed that is composed entirely from eight copies of the letter vav.
But why 36? This part of the answer lies in the frequent Jewish practise of interpreting Hebrew letters as numbers, based on their standardised positions in the alphabet (see Table A). It will be seen that a letter lamed takes a value of 30, while vav takes a value of 6.
At some point, I may find time to show how the G1/G2 combination is able to put flesh on the skeleton of a well-known candidate for the title of Messiah.
2) The Two-Part Creator
There is a Jewish (Kabbalistic) myth that when God created the heavens and the earth, one part of him entered his creation, while another part remained outside. The first is Known as Small Face, the second as Vast Face. And it is believed that the two continually face one another, thus maintaining the integrity of all creation.
Kabbalah is strongly driven by symbolism; so it will come as no surprise that Small Face and Vast Face both have their individual symbols. Small Face is represented by a letter aleph, the very first letter of the alphabet. Vast Face is represented by a letter ayin, which is the letter that has to be removed from within the G1 Square in order to generate G2. Unlike all other letters, these two are essentially almost silent in Hebrew speech. It is significant that the G2 aspect of the Genesis Seal emulates the myth in no less than three different ways, thus:
dafydd said:
Kingfisher2926 said:
dafydd said:
It is to be expected that recognition of the Genesis Seal would normally happen in a Jewish setting, where close examination of the Hebrew Torah is the norm, not the exception. That is why the following two myths (one may be a legend) have become parts of an extensive oral tradition.
1) The Righteous Ones
In some Jewish circles there is a belief (or it may be a fairytale) that there are always 36 especially righteous men in the world, any one of whom would be capable of becoming the long-awaited Messiah. Formally, they are known as the Tzadiqim – literally ‘The Righteous Ones’. None of them is aware of his own true nature, nor the identities of the other 35. But what is the significance of the number 36 that it should become enshrined in a legend such as this one?
The answer may be concealed in the less-formal name: The Lamed Vavniks, which is easily recognised as an adaptation of the names of Hebrew letters: lamed and vav. And it is evident that the same two letters have important roles in the G2 aspect of the Genesis Seal. Or it is enough that Jewish mystics have believed that to be the case. The new headline image in the G2 Square (Figure 4 in Post 288) takes the form of a letter lamed that is composed entirely from eight copies of the letter vav.
But why 36? This part of the answer lies in the frequent Jewish practise of interpreting Hebrew letters as numbers, based on their standardised positions in the alphabet (see Table A). It will be seen that a letter lamed takes a value of 30, while vav takes a value of 6.
At some point, I may find time to show how the G1/G2 combination is able to put flesh on the skeleton of a well-known candidate for the title of Messiah.
2) The Two-Part Creator
There is a Jewish (Kabbalistic) myth that when God created the heavens and the earth, one part of him entered his creation, while another part remained outside. The first is Known as Small Face, the second as Vast Face. And it is believed that the two continually face one another, thus maintaining the integrity of all creation.
Kabbalah is strongly driven by symbolism; so it will come as no surprise that Small Face and Vast Face both have their individual symbols. Small Face is represented by a letter aleph, the very first letter of the alphabet. Vast Face is represented by a letter ayin, which is the letter that has to be removed from within the G1 Square in order to generate G2. Unlike all other letters, these two are essentially almost silent in Hebrew speech. It is significant that the G2 aspect of the Genesis Seal emulates the myth in no less than three different ways, thus:
- The word arba (four) that is completed by the external letter ayin begins with the letter aleph. Clearly, it is the symbol of Vast Face that is on the outside, and the symbol of Small Face inside.
- The text of Genesis 1:1-2 (the source of the Genesis Seal) incorporates two faces. One is the face of the deep, which is seen within the Seal. The other is the face of the waters, which is excluded by truncation.
- The point at which that truncation occurs is within the name ‘Elohim’ (God). So that parts of the Creator are simultaneously within and outside the literary creation that is the Genesis Seal.
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Examples of it being discovered in history, not your daft word game. Back on ignore you go.
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OMG.. it's the Genesis Cube.
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dafydd, I appreciate your more reasonable stance. But you will see from post 289 that the answers you ask for cannot be expressed in one line. Every post I make with real content (not just answering questions) requires me to re-write material that exists on my PC in other forms. Also, the illustrations have to be tailored to my new descriptions.
I'm now about to start of my next installment, which will show a strong relationship between the Genesis Seal and Pythagoras. In effect, I shall be incommunicado for a while.
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OMG.. it's the Genesis Cube.
I can see it now. The Genesis Seal book, movie, Genesis Seal Rubik's cube, video games. Copyright it Kingfisher, before someone steals the concept.
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Incommunicado? Holding a seance to talk to Pythagoras?
BTW: Any evidence Pythagoras knew Hebrew?
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Originally Posted by Kingfisher2926
dafydd, I appreciate your more reasonable stance. But you will see from post 289 that the answers you ask for cannot be expressed in one line. Every post I make with real content (not just answering questions) requires me to re-write material that exists on my PC in other forms. Also, the illustrations have to be tailored to my new descriptions.
I'm now about to start of my next installment, which will show a strong relationship between the Genesis Seal and Pythagoras. In effect, I shall be incommunicado for a while.
Your time is your own to waste.
dafydd, I appreciate your more reasonable stance. But you will see from post 289 that the answers you ask for cannot be expressed in one line. Every post I make with real content (not just answering questions) requires me to re-write material that exists on my PC in other forms. Also, the illustrations have to be tailored to my new descriptions.
I'm now about to start of my next installment, which will show a strong relationship between the Genesis Seal and Pythagoras. In effect, I shall be incommunicado for a while.
Your time is your own to waste.
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I am working with the first few words of Genesis. That is a long way from cherry-picking.