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The Fox News Presidency

Norman Alexander said:
Mexico is not so much a place as a concept: Everyone who is not them who speaks differently to them. Laughingly this could include Australians. Sadly this is true.
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It reminds me of my elderly mother, to whom every Asian person is "Japanese", regardless of where they're actually from.
 
Norman Alexander said:
Mexico is not so much a place as a concept: Everyone who is not them who speaks differently to them. Laughingly this could include Australians. Sadly this is true.
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Armitage72 said:
It reminds me of my elderly mother, to whom every Asian person is "Japanese", regardless of where they're actually from.
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Minoosh said:
It's all Mexico to Fox viewers.
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Here in Norway, every person with darker skin than us Norsemen is a "Muslim". Same concept.

Or for that matter, how every Asian person was "Chinese" a decade or two ago.
 
Squeegee Beckenheim said:
And that's the thing I don't get about this narrative - how can the Republicans who push it not see how much of an own-goal it is?
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They understand it perfectly well, but it's a feature, not a bug. Their cultists like to be the tough, strong bad guys, and whenever someone points it out they get to gloat and smirk because they've "triggered the libs".
 
Safe-Keeper said:
They understand it perfectly well, but it's a feature, not a bug. Their cultists like to be the tough, strong bad guys, and whenever someone points it out they get to gloat and smirk because they've "triggered the libs".
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It's a manifestation of the phenomenon of being happy to live under a bridge in a cardboard box, with a couple of sparrows on a stick for dinner. So long as the brown folk beside them have but a single sparrow for their stick.
 
Looks to me that Fox is periodically taking soundings of how much backlash they get when they cease to support Trump at all costs.
The Bernie Townhall was one case, and there were others.
This is another.

Trump keeps on costing Fox advertisers, and they would love to get back to the mainstream if it doesn't cost them all their viewership.
 
smartcooky said:
Is the unbreakable wall of Faux News' blind support for Dear Leader beginning to show some cracks?
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I noticed there were a few times where they disputed the White House's statements about the Mueller report, and also some negative reporting on Barr's press conference.

It's worth bearing in mind that the pro-Trump policy comes from Murdoch, and Murdoch has long been reported as not actually liking Trump and badmouthing him behind closed doors. More in the "useful idiot" category. Perhaps he thinks that Trump's usefulness is coming to an end and is starting to soften the ground a little so that, come some future revelation (congressional testimony by Mueller or someone similar, perhaps) they can start doing a "we can no longer deny that Trump is corrupt" u-turn, as if it's only now that it's been possible to put the pieces together.
 
Squeegee Beckenheim said:
I noticed there were a few times where they disputed the White House's statements about the Mueller report, and also some negative reporting on Barr's press conference.
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Who exactly was the "they" you were referring to who was disputing the White House's statements?

I don't watch fox news myself, but from what I understand, they have always had a few people (such as Shep Smith) who are willing to challenge the Fox news Trump Love narrative. (The problem is, not only are those people few and far between, they tend not to be given priority time slots on the network. So while Hannity gets prime time to praise Trump and spread various anti-Democrat conspiracy theories, Smith gets a daytime timeslot (when ratings are lower, which happens when much of your audience is at work) to point out when Hannity's claims are nonsense.

On the other hand, there are rumors that Hannity may actually be considering leaving Fox News, because he thinks they aren't Trumpian enough...

https://hillreporter.com/hannity-to...f-trump-support-according-to-new-report-32917
Host Sean Hannity has reportedly told friends that he plans to leave the network in 2021 due in part to the Murdochs’ lack of support for the president.... The relationship with Rupert Murdoch’s sons seems to be a tipping point for Hannity. He has also lost some significant allies in former network president’s Roger Ailes and Bill Shine...While not on the level of Laura Ingraham or Tucker Carlson, Hannity has lost some significant sponsors...But the main problems between Hannity and the network goes back to Lachlan and James Murdoch. James is reportedly looking to invest in some media outlets that lean more liberal than conservative.
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You do have to wonder what exactly Hannity will do if he leaves the network. I can't see any non-racist main-stream network having an interest in him. (Megyn Kelly has illustrated that success on Fox News does not translate to success in real journalism.) He could follow Glenn Beck and Bill O'Reilly into the world of podcasts and conspiracy-theories, but his influence will be greatly reduced. Or he could jump into politics, but unless he finds a place to run that is far to the right, his polarizing nature will be a liability.
 
smartcooky said:
Is the unbreakable wall of Faux News' blind support for Dear Leader beginning to show some cracks?

https://www.foxnews.com/opinion/judge-andrew-napolitano-did-president-trump-obstruct-justice

(video in article)
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From the link (to save other people time):
The president's job is to enforce federal law. If he had ordered its violation to save innocent life or preserve human freedom, he would have a moral defense. But ordering obstruction to save himself from the consequences of his own behavior is unlawful, defenseless and condemnable.
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Hannity leaving in 2021 sounds like he knows that Trump is done for, and he is hoping to get a post on Trump TV then.
 
Segnosaur said:
You do have to wonder what exactly Hannity will do if he leaves the network. I can't see any non-racist main-stream network having an interest in him. (Megyn Kelly has illustrated that success on Fox News does not translate to success in real journalism.) He could follow Glenn Beck and Bill O'Reilly into the world of podcasts and conspiracy-theories, but his influence will be greatly reduced. Or he could jump into politics, but unless he finds a place to run that is far to the right, his polarizing nature will be a liability.
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As I understand it, getting fired from Fox was the best thing that ever happened to Beck, financially speaking. And Alex Jones does just fine without a network.
 
Trebuchet said:
You do have to wonder what exactly Hannity will do if he leaves the network. I can't see any non-racist main-stream network having an interest in him. (Megyn Kelly has illustrated that success on Fox News does not translate to success in real journalism.) He could follow Glenn Beck and Bill O'Reilly into the world of podcasts and conspiracy-theories, but his influence will be greatly reduced. Or he could jump into politics, but unless he finds a place to run that is far to the right, his polarizing nature will be a liability.
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As I understand it, getting fired from Fox was the best thing that ever happened to Beck, financially speaking.
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Really? I guess it shouldn't be too surprising... he supposedly started a media company after he left Fox. But, you figure the market for that sort of thing is going to get saturated.

And even if financially he may be successful, I suggested his influence may decrease as a result. Not as big an audience without Fox News.
And Alex Jones does just fine without a network.
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Again, he's got a niche that may become over-saturated.
 
The Don said:
Either that or he's expecting a senior post in the second Trump administration - Secretary of State perhaps ?
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Terrible move: Trump has way more respect for anyone on TV than he has for anyone in his presence.
Also, being on Fox is a much more reliable method to getting to talk to Trump than being a member of the White House staff.
 
Segnosaur said:
More evidence that Trump's relationship with Fox news is a bit.. incestuous.

From: https://www.politicususa.com/2019/04/21/mueller-fox-news-trump.html
Buried in the Mueller report is an instance of the White House appearing to have the ability to tell Fox News what to cut out of their interviews with Trump.
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Wish reporters would stop using the phrase "state run news". It is far from accurate or appropriate. What they really mean is "administration-controlled propaganda unit" or plain old "Trump megaphone". It is nothing to do with the state at all.
 
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