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The Five Myths About Fracking

CapelDodger said:
The great trick is to introduce sand to keep the fractures open when the pressure is taken away.
First I've heard of sand being used to increase permiability. The standard well I've installed (and again, my focus has been groundwater) had a sand pack around the screen as a filter; it had nothing to do with permiability. Unless you somehow forced the sand in it wouldn't work, and even then you'd have to be EXTREMELY careful about the type of sand you use. The issue is, under the conditions you're talking about Sigma 1 would be much, much higher than Sigma 2 or 3, resulting nin a fractured grain. That wouldn't exactly help keep the fracutres open. And once it DOES fracture you go from subrounded to rounded grains (the best for dealing with such stresses) to subangular to angular grains, and would basically be taking very tiny rasps to your equipment all through pumping.

Bear in mind that this is speculative. Again, I've no expertise in oil drilling. I'm merely trying to think this through.
 
In the Great Black Swamp there are records of areas where the water was poisonous. We now know that the issue was petrolium contamination. My wife's thesis was on remote sensing techniques for detecting wells, using the fact that many are still seeping. Even I, with my deminished sense of smell, can identify the Silica Shale formation merely by odor (it's scratch-and-sniff).
Ohio has soared in my estimation now I've learned it has a Great Black Swamp. These places of seepage - such as around the Caspian - often become places of mythic and religious significance. It took the Greeks to make it strategically significant :).

The issue is that the oil filds in Ohio were under pressure. You just had to drill the things and they'd produce oil--no pumping required. Wildcat drilling ruined the pressure in the fields, which is why oil production shifted to new areas in the USA. There's still a huge amount of oil in Ohio, Pennsylvania, and that region; the issue is that until recently it hasn't been economically justifiable to extract it.
As long as there were gushers to move on to, nobody bothered with pumping. Grab the low-hanging fruit. Thinking at the production end was short-term, while long-term thinkers looked to transport, refining and marketing.

There are, of course, no more gushers to move on to. Not of the old kind, anyway. This is Peak Oil as it happens :).
 
My take

"First, that shale gas production has polluted aquifers in the United States.
Yes it has from careless use and storage of fracking fluid.

Second, that it releases more methane than other forms of gas production.
seems odd thing but if it replaces coal who cares.

Third, that it uses a worryingly large amount of water.
more the worry that it sequesters that water in a toxic form tho very deep.

Fourth, that it uses hundreds of toxic chemicals.
without a doubt and that's the reason for the Cheney law.

Fifth, that it causes damaging earthquakes."
No question it causes minor quakes.....damaging is the salient point.
A number of jurisdictions right up to nation states ( France ) has banned it....

Like all technologies it has risks.
The poor oversight and loopholes make this one very prone to problems. There is too much smoke around the issue not to have some underlying fire in some cases.
 
First I've heard of sand being used to increase permiability.
In this case it sustains the induced permeability, as I understand it. The grains are introduced to prop up the fractures after they're made. The whole procedure is fiendishly clever and the result of much ingenuity and experiment. That much I know from a skim of the subject, but I'm betting they don't use any old sand. There's some pretty gritty material which falls into that category.
 
macdoc said:
Yes it has from careless use and storage of fracking fluid.
Without evidence to support this, I'm forced to side with the article linked in teh OP. At least they provided data.

seems odd thing but if it replaces coal who cares.
Um....you may want to brush up on your greenhouse gases.

more the worry that it sequesters that water in a toxic form tho very deep.
As I said before, this depends on the aquifer. In Ohio it's not a big deal to use water. In the Great Basin, it's a much bigger issue.

without a doubt and that's the reason for the Cheney law.
Got a reference for this? Because the article DOES provide references.

No question it causes minor quakes.....damaging is the salient point.
To be fair, driving a truck causes minor quakes. The issue is whether fracking activates faults or not. There certainly is a theoretical basis for the process doing so (anyone who's taken a structural geology class can explain why--it's one of the two answers in that class).

A number of jurisdictions right up to nation states ( France ) has banned it....
Unless you assume that nations are free of bias (a rather absurd assumption), this doesn't count as data.

There is too much smoke around the issue not to have some underlying fire in some cases.
The mere fact that people complain about it means nothing. The question is, is there anything false in the data provided in the OP's article?

CapelDodger said:
In this case it sustains the induced permeability, as I understand it. The grains are introduced to prop up the fractures after they're made.
That's essentially what I said. However, I also presented some issues with this idea.

...but I'm betting they don't use any old sand. There's some pretty gritty material which falls into that category.
I'm honestly not sure what it could be. My first instinct is that it has to be mature sand (ie, rounded quartz); however, quartz simply isn't that strong. There's a reason glass windows aren't used to support skyscrapers.
 
Jeez Diinwar - you work for the petroleum industry.?? One assumes a reasonable background knowledge before participating in the discussion. You clearly missed that memo.
( move on move on nothing to see here )

I'm not going to go over ground very well harrowed here and elsewhere about the reality of the problems with fracking.
There are documented cases of fracking fluid on the surface contaminating water supplies look them up yourself.
You didn't even try did you??......just want others to do your work.

"In the community of Dimock, Pennsylvania," Sinding said, "an aquifer was contaminated by bad drilling and fracking practices by a gas company. In addition to which there were a huge number of spills. It was a sort of horror story of what goes wrong when an industry isn't effectively regulated."
http://www.cnn.com/2012/03/09/us/new-york-fracking

and ground zero

Under the Rendell Administration, DEP cracked down hard on Cabot. The agency fined the company $120,000 for the methane migration incidents, barred it from drilling within the Susquehanna County community, and ordered it to foot the bill for a water pipeline bringing fluid to Dimock residents. Cabot agreed to pay for temporary water supplies at the affected homes.

In the initial Consent Order and Agreement between DEP and Cabot, dated November 4, 2009, the agency determined, “the presence of dissolved methane and/or combustible gas in the 10 Affected Water Supplies occurred within six months of completion of drilling of one or more of the Cabot Wells. As such, Cabot is presumed to be responsible for the pollution to these 10 Affected Water Supplies.”

The DEP forced Cabot to provide potable water to ten households, stop all drilling in the area, improve its’ casing procedures, and submit a plan to permanently restore residential water supplies.

In 2010, the COA between Cabot and DEP was revised twice. The final agreement, reached in December, is the document dictating the agency’s current stance. In it, Cabot makes it clear the company disagrees with DEP’s findings, but agrees to the terms of the agreement. The December 2010 document laid out harsh penalties for the driller. It required Cabot to pay the impacted families settlements worth twice their property values, a total Hanger said exceeded $4 million. But the document did not include water testing as a criteria for Cabot to stop providing clean water to the impacted families.
http://stateimpact.npr.org/pennsylvania/tag/dimock/

I've ridden through the areas where fracking is going on and there is no way that fluid is being contained properly in many cases.

I don't really care what YOU don't know - educate yourself instead coming across as sanctimonious.

As to the coal versus gas - take a flying leap - I dare say I understand the field far more than you - which is obvious from your smart assed comment.
Methane falls out.....C02 takes a while.
http://www.nature.com/climate/2008/0812/full/climate.2008.122.html
a long while.

Among the report’s key findings:

U.S. greenhouse gas emissions are back down to mid-1990s levels, in part because electricity generators are using more natural gas, which emits half as much carbon dioxide as coal. Further reductions can be achieved by substituting natural gas for coal and oil in the transportation, manufacturing and building sectors.

Simply substituting natural gas will not achieve the deeper emissions cuts needed in the longer term. Zero-carbon energy sources such as solar, wind and nuclear are critical. Strong support also is needed to perfect and deploy technologies to capture carbon emissions from coal- and natural gas-fired power plants and bury them underground.

and in case you don't think the industry can produce a report....here's the EPA's take.

Air Emissions
At the power plant, the burning of natural gas produces nitrogen oxides and carbon dioxide, but in lower quantities than burning coal or oil.

http://www.epa.gov/cleanenergy/energy-and-you/affect/natural-gas.html

The Cheney reference is so obvious to anyone that has followed the issue that you requiring references simply puts your high and mighty stance into the realm of ridicule.

Two years later, Congress passed the Energy Policy Act that, as a result of provisions known as the "Halliburton loopholes" pushed by the Bush-Cheney administration on behalf of energy companies, largely exempted fracking from federal oversight under the Safe Drinking Water Act. Vice President Dick Cheney served as chair and CEO of Halliburton from 1995 to 2000. But even those industry-friendly loopholes made an exception that allowed for federal oversight of fracking with diesel fuels, since those can be particularly toxic.

Consequently, the EPA requires any company that uses diesel fuels in fracking to get a permit under the Safe Drinking Water Act. Since the agency still does not have a system in place to process such permits, there is effectively a ban on the practice.

However, companies engaged in fracking have disregarded the effective ban. In January 2011, three members of Congress -- Reps. Henry Waxman (D-Calif.), Ed Markey (D-Mass.) and Diana DeGette (D-Colo.) -- wrote a letter to EPA Administrator Lisa Jackson expressing concerns over ongoing use of diesel in fracking. Their own investigation found that oil and gas service companies injected 32.2 million gallons of diesel fuels or fracking fluid containing diesel fuels in wells in 19 states between 2005 and 2009. BJ Services injected 11.5 million gallons, while Halliburton injected 7 million gallons.

Why don't you read the literature instead of bothering people who have with inane questions.

With good technique fracking is a positive for the climate and energy costs ....poorly executed it can be regionally catastrophic to families and the environment.

The key is in the oversight. The states and nations that have banned it have good reason for caution.
 
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Methane falls out.....C02 takes a while.
http://www.nature.com/climate/2008/0812/full/climate.2008.122.html
a long while.

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Sorry I haven't got the reference to hand and I may be wrong, but does methane fall out? I thought it actually reacted with oxygen very slowly in the atmosphere turning to CO2 and water vapour.

btw at least one study has concluded gas produced by fracking "likely emits more greenhouse gas pollution into the atmosphere during its life cycle than does coal" http://www.news.cornell.edu/stories/2011/04/fracking-leaks-may-make-gas-dirtier-coal
 
If you read the full post, he sounds like he's done the research.

Are his points correct?

He says "The total number of aquifers that have been found to be polluted by either fracking fluid or methane gas as a result of fracking in the United States is zero. Case after case has been alleged and found to be untrue. The Environmental Protection Agency closed its investigation at Dimock, in Pennsylvania, concluding there was no evidence of contamination"

however the initial EPA report
http://desmogblog.com/sites/beta.desmogblog.com/files/Dimock report.pdf
found "Methane is at significantly higher concentrations in the aquifers after gas drilling and perhaps as a result of fracking and other gas well work...Methane and other gases released during drilling (including air from the drilling) apparently cause significant damage to the water quality."
it seems the investigation was closed at this stage possibly due to political pressure.
http://www.desmogblog.com/2013/08/0...ntamination-presentation-published-first-time
 
macdoc said:
Jeez Diinwar - you work for the petroleum industry.??
You're awefully big on insults and ranting about education. Two quick questions: Have you ever installed a well? And are you aware of the fact that the petroleum industry is different from the environmental industry?

Clean the spittle off your screen and let's discuss this as adults. If you can't, that's your problem.

bobwtfomg said:
Sorry I haven't got the reference to hand and I may be wrong, but does methane fall out? I thought it actually reacted with oxygen very slowly in the atmosphere turning to CO2 and water vapour.
It reacts rather quickly with various chemicals in the air, and it doesn't survive very long in an oxygenated atmosphere. Large amounts of methane and oxygen in the ame atmosphere (bear in mind that "large" is relative) are indicative--some Gaia Hypotheses supporters say definitive proof--of life on a planet.
 
Giving this some more thought, I think we need to ask "What does 'polution' mean?"

Methane simply isn't polution, at least not if you define the word a certain way. It's a naturally occuring compound in many aquifers that gets mobilized by fracking due to the increase in permiability. Humans didn't put it there. Therefore someone can read the reports and determine that no, fracking isn't poluting aquifers.

That said, this says nothing about the quality of the groundwater. Some areas (such as the one in the movie Gasland) have extremely high volumes of methane in the groundwater, and fracking quite obviously is going to mobilize that material. Methane is a lighter-than-air gas, after all.

It's akin to radon. Radon is naturally occuring, and cannot be considered polution. You still don't want to be around it.

In all but one case you cited, macdoc, the issue hasn't been the fracking fluid (and, by the way, I DID discuss why the article in the OP was wrong about his views on the fluid). The problem has been such mobilization. And the ambiguity inherent in the word "polution" allows for both sides to look at the data and claim to be right.
 
"First, that shale gas production has polluted aquifers in the United States.

If fracking hasn't polluted aquifers, why are there people who need to have their water trucked in from elsewhere, and why are there kids with gag orders? Why won't the gas companies disclose the chemicals they use, and why won't the EPA do anything?

($$)
 
Can someone provide some data on standard oil drilling techniques?
Presuming you request a little more complete description of common well completion techniques, I offer the following diatribe under spoiler button to compactify its tl;dr wall o'text nature:

Laymen commonly wrap the term "drilling" around overly broad aspects of exploration, development, and production. In the industry, that term is more restricted to making a hole in the ground and getting some pipe (casing) cemented into it. For many decades now, for nearly all onshore wells, that casing is cemented into the hole, with cement between the pipe and the producing formation. There are typically multiple concentric strings of casing, chosen and placed for many considerations including government regulations that always require one cemented across all the shallow fresh water (potable or treatably potable) zones.

Connecting the petroleum reservoir to the wellbore and providing for the fluids to flow to the wellhead are "completion" operations.

Where reservoir rock are permeable enough, it might be enough to simply cement pipe above but not across the producing zone. If the rock is mechanically competent, a simple "open hole" completion might be enough (e.g. many old Permian Basin wells into hard limestone and dolomite reservoirs). If the "rock" barely deserves that name and is prone to shed sand into the wellbore, the hole might be supported by a screen or slotted pipe as Dinwar described for his water wells, possibly surrounded by coarse sand (a "gravel pack" completion). Those situations aren't what's at issue here.

Casing and cement are typically "perforated" by shaped-charge explosives that shoot ~half-inch holes through the pipe and cement, a few inches into the surrounding reservoir rock formation. Depending on formation properties, "perfs" may be spaced a few inches to a few feet apart across the productive zone.

The permeability of the reservoir rock at its interface to the wellbore and perforations is generally quite damaged by the operations of drilling (e.g. fluid leakoff into the "sandface"), cementing (duh) and perforation (which amounts to pounding a hole into the rock with a copper-plasma hammer). Usually, that damage is "broken down" by pumping into the perforations, often with acid, with enough pressure to break the rock locally but often not enough rate and volume to extend the cracks very far before the fluid leaks off into the permeable rock. In some cases (none relevant to tight gas reservoirs) it's also possible, but not as common, to evacuate the wellbore somewhat before perforation, so the higher reservoir pressure can flow into the "underbalanced" wellbore to clean up the perfs on its own.

To produce oil or gas or water or molasses, the fluid has to flow through the rock to get to the perforations and wellbore. As the flow approaches the wellbore, it has to converge toward it, increasing the local flux (flow per unit area) and gradient (pressure drop per unit distance). If the rock is "tight" -- that is, low permeability -- even a large pressure drop from the reservoir to the wellbore will induce only a small flow rate. Beside consideration of the rate of return, if that flowrate and well bottomhole pressure are not high enough to lift the fluids -- including any entrained or condensed liquid -- to the surface, the well "dies" (stops flowing).

Hydraulic fracture stimulation is often applied to reduce the resistance to flow from the reservoir to the well (the effect is more "makes the well look wider" than "increases the permeability", but that's a technical quibble only reservoir engineers enjoy). Because the same resistance exists to fluid pumped into or out of the well, fluid is pumped into the well fast enough to raise pressure enough to crack the rock ("frac gradient" is typically near 0.7 psi per foot of depth).

Frac fluid is commonly water-based, especially for larger jobs, though crude oil and diesel are used for some water-sensitive formations. Additives are blended to give desired fluid properties. The fluid may be foamed with N2 or CO2.

When pumping stops, the rock's elasticity will try to close the fracture... so proppant is generally mixed with part of the frac fluid to hold the crack open when it tries to close. Proppant is often clean, well sorted sand, but other materials are often used for their special strength or hydrodynamic properties (coated sand, aluminum oxide beads, walnut hulls...).

Such hydraulic fracture stimulations are not at all new. This is almost always done for onshore "hard rock" wells for many decades now, not just recent "tight gas" wells. IIRC Mr. Halliburton did the first one back about 1932 with 300 gallons of lithium-soap gelled gasoline and a few dozen pounds of sand proppant, in the Guymon:Hugoton gas field. (An interesting project might be to tell those Ogallala aquifer dependent dry-land wheat, cattle, and cotton farmers the gas wells on their land shouldn't be frac'd. Go ahead... I'll wait here.)

What is new-ish is economical application of horizontal drilling techniques and specialized downhole tools to allow multiple, widely spaced fracture stimulations from a single borehole, to facilitate economical production from very, very tight gas reservoirs that would not otherwise be economical to produce. "Frac jobs" are individually designed for each specific well, but for an idea of scale these sort of stimulations involve a handful of "stages" each involving a few thousand barrels of fluid, part of which is pumped with a very few pounds of proppant per gallon.

What's "tight"? Your concrete driveway offers about 3-5% porosity (where gas would live) and about 20 microdarcies permeability (how the gas would get out). Several of the recent shale gas plays score lower on both counts. More conventional gas reservoirs offer around a millidarcy more or less, onshore oil reservoirs are typically a few tens to hundreds of millidarcies, and really sweet reservoirs might offer a whole darcy or two. For comparison, an impermeable matrix with 0.01" fractures every inch has permeability about 54 darcies (54,000,000 microdarcies). (one darcy permeability will pass 1 cm3/cm2/sec of 1 cP fluid at 1 atm/cm pressure gradient)

Below about 3000' deep, these hydraulically induced fractures will be oriented essentially vertical in a direction defined by the reservoir itself -- that is, perpendicular to the least principal stress direction -- regardless of the local orientation of the wellbore. Horizontal "pancake" fractures can occur only at shallow depths where overburden stress is low, or where unusual tectonic stresses otherwise make that the direction of least principal stress.

How far these fractures extend, and how tall they grow, is limited by how fast the frac fluid can be pumped into the well and how fast that fluid leaks off from the fracture into the surrounding rocks. Making fractures more than a couple thousand feet long is extremely difficult, however desirable it might be. Making fractures tall is usually undesirable (because that would connect the well and/or reservoir to unwanted zones), and even more difficult because of the laminated nature of overlying sentiments that can tend to inhibit (but not totally prevent) fracture propagation through multiple zones.

Extending an honest hydraulic fracture up to freshwater sands from a completion at, say, 10,000' deep just ain't gonna happen. If you want to try, you'll run out of location room to park all the tankage, blenders, and pump trucks that would take. You don't really want to try, though... those other zones (freshwater or not) could steal away the gas you want to produce, or dump stuff you don't want into your well (e.g. water, fresh or not).

The issue, then, is where that fracturing fluid pressure is actually applied to subsurface rocks. The high pressure needed to fracture a deep zone is more than enough to fracture a shallower zone... *if* it gets to one. Well casing and its cement seal in the borehole are what keeps that from happening... unless they're not as they should be.


If you're concerned about environmental hazards of hydraulic fracture stimulation operations, what you're really concerned about is integrity of the wellbore and its casing and cement.

If the casing and cement don't isolate freshwater zones and the reservoir zone from the wellbore, the borehole can be a channel for one to contaminate the other, whether the well is frac'd or not.

If they do isolate the freshwater and reservoir zones through the hydraulic fracture stimulation operation, that stimulation won't contaminate freshwater zones.
 
Thanks for the information, DavidS. :)

How does the sand not break? Quartz isn't that strong, and we're talking pressures that will break rock (that's hwo the fractures formed originally). I'm missing something here.

DavidS said:
If the casing and cement don't isolate freshwater zones and the reservoir zone from the wellbore, the borehole can be a channel for one to contaminate the other, whether the well is frac'd or not.
Had that problem on a few wells. We'd drill through a clay lens, and realize that the contaminated aquifer was shallow (or, more commonly, that some of the contamination was in one aquifer, and some in an lower one). There are ways to deal with it, but I never got into that. I dealt with them after the fact (FLUTe wells, for example).
 
Thanks for the information, DavidS. :)
You're welcome. If I can get in a few hundred more we'll be even.
How does the sand not break? Quartz isn't that strong, and we're talking pressures that will break rock (that's hwo the fractures formed originally). I'm missing something here.
No, you're not really missing anything important. Propping the fracture open does require that the proppant doesn't crush too badly. Quartz sand is often strong enough to support closure stresses, especially if the grains are nicely rounded without angular corners to concentrate stress in the grains (I recall jobs specifying "Ottawa sand", which probably means more to you than to me; individual grains are nicely round and smooth). Deeper wells with higher closure stresses require stronger proppant like aluminum oxide, or less brittle proppant like steel shot (uncommon) or ground walnut hulls, and/or proppant coated with malleable resin to better distrubute stress at wall contacts.

You're probably 2.7 kagrillion times more qualified than me when it comes to rock properties, but remember that reservoir rocks are (almost all) sedimentary rocks of grains more or less cemented by clays and carbonates and magic geology glues that are often weaker than quartz. Fracturing the rock involves breaking not the grains, but the cement between them, with pressure forces applied by the fluid to the pore walls to be supported by the cement at points of contact. At least, that's how I see it, but I confess this level of detail is beyond my depth.

Note also that to initiate the fracture the rock fails in tension (think "hoop stress" trying to hold the borehole walls together against internal pressure), which brittle materials like rock don't support well, after which propagation benefits from geometrical stress concentration at the tip. Propping the fracture open applies compressive load to the nice, solid, uniform proppant grains, with concentration eased by smooth surfaces squashing into the fracture walls.

Less obvious is that the fractured rock itself needs to be strong enough that the proppant doesn't just embed into the walls when the fracture closes. A little deformation of the proppant -- or a soft resin coating -- can help distribute the load. I think a high proppant loading can also help this problem... but that requires keeping high sand concentrations suspended in the frac fluid until closure, which can be a challenge (lots of things can go wrong if the sand falls out or bridges the wellbore or fracture prematurely).

Design and implementation of hydraulic fracture stimulation jobs is highly technical, specialized, and largely proprietary. My familiarity with the technology is the slightly-more-than-handwaving of one who uses, evaluates, or specifies the result, not the detailed familiarity of one who designs or implements in detail. A NASCAR pit crew knows more than the average bear how tires influence his car's performance, but not all the fiddling details of rubber formulation and tread design.

(FLUTe wells, for example).
My acronym-fu is weak today... what's a FLUTe well?
 

Call me gullible for clicking on that link and actually listening to over 20 minutes of that guy, Ian R. Crane. Thus far I've heard him make vague claims that (1) the media attention about fracking in the UK is on the Lancashire and Sussex regions but the oil industry is really interested in the Yorkshire region; (2) on or about April 19th something "interesting" happens (Waco, Tim McVeigh, Columbine, BP oil spill); (3) there were nefarious plots to hide the truth about the BP oil spill. But I haven't heard anything about the merits and/or dangers of fracking. RationalWiki describes Ian Crane as a CT-er.

Did I miss some message in your smileys?
 
He says "The total number of aquifers that have been found to be polluted by either fracking fluid or methane gas as a result of fracking in the United States is zero. Case after case has been alleged and found to be untrue. The Environmental Protection Agency closed its investigation at Dimock, in Pennsylvania, concluding there was no evidence of contamination"

however the initial EPA report
http://desmogblog.com/sites/beta.desmogblog.com/files/Dimock report.pdf
found "Methane is at significantly higher concentrations in the aquifers after gas drilling and perhaps as a result of fracking and other gas well work...Methane and other gases released during drilling (including air from the drilling) apparently cause significant damage to the water quality."
it seems the investigation was closed at this stage possibly due to political pressure.
http://www.desmogblog.com/2013/08/0...ntamination-presentation-published-first-time

Perhaps?

Is this the same methane that appears in "Gasland" coming out of a tap that Popular Mechanics say was not a result of fracking?
 
it's still Co2.

this fraking debate is like a debate between drug addicts telling eachother how the newst drug is so much better than the old one while ignoring the fact that they are still drug addicts.
what a waste of time this is.
 
DavidS said:
but remember that reservoir rocks are (almost all) sedimentary rocks of grains more or less cemented by clays and carbonates and magic geology glues that are often weaker than quartz.
A good point, and you're right, I hadn't been thinking of that. I had also considered the concentration of sand grains, but without doing the math. My gut was, apparently, very wrong. Been too long since Structure. :)

Design and implementation of hydraulic fracture stimulation jobs is highly technical, specialized, and largely proprietary. My familiarity with the technology is the slightly-more-than-handwaving of one who uses, evaluates, or specifies the result, not the detailed familiarity of one who designs or implements in detail.
It's far more than I had at the beginning. Thanks for taking the time to explain it so well!

My acronym-fu is weak today... what's a FLUTe well?
It's a company name; it may be an acronym, but if so I've never heard what it stands for. They do multi-depth groundwater wells, allowing you to sample multiple aquifers. They also are a bit different to pump--instead of a paristaltic pump or a Huricane Pump or something, you "pump" them by pushing compressed nitrogen through the system (well, I guess you could use some other gas; we used N2 because it's essentially non-reactive to the chemicals we were interested in). So what you end up with is somewhere between 3 and 9 hoses (one is for the sock filled with water that surrounds hte rest of the tubing), and you sample 2 to 8 different water levels at once. It's a really cool well design--but extremely expensive, in no small part because you have to make sure the aquifers don't mix.
 
You're welcome. If I can get in a few hundred more we'll be even.
No, you're not really missing anything important. Propping the fracture open does require that the proppant doesn't crush too badly. Quartz sand is often strong enough to support closure stresses, especially if the grains are nicely rounded without angular corners to concentrate stress in the grains (I recall jobs specifying "Ottawa sand", which probably means more to you than to me; individual grains are nicely round and smooth). Deeper wells with higher closure stresses require stronger proppant like aluminum oxide, or less brittle proppant like steel shot (uncommon) or ground walnut hulls, and/or proppant coated with malleable resin to better distrubute stress at wall contacts.

You're probably 2.7 kagrillion times more qualified than me when it comes to rock properties, but remember that reservoir rocks are (almost all) sedimentary rocks of grains more or less cemented by clays and carbonates and magic geology glues that are often weaker than quartz. Fracturing the rock involves breaking not the grains, but the cement between them, with pressure forces applied by the fluid to the pore walls to be supported by the cement at points of contact. At least, that's how I see it, but I confess this level of detail is beyond my depth.

Note also that to initiate the fracture the rock fails in tension (think "hoop stress" trying to hold the borehole walls together against internal pressure), which brittle materials like rock don't support well, after which propagation benefits from geometrical stress concentration at the tip. Propping the fracture open applies compressive load to the nice, solid, uniform proppant grains, with concentration eased by smooth surfaces squashing into the fracture walls.

Less obvious is that the fractured rock itself needs to be strong enough that the proppant doesn't just embed into the walls when the fracture closes. A little deformation of the proppant -- or a soft resin coating -- can help distribute the load. I think a high proppant loading can also help this problem... but that requires keeping high sand concentrations suspended in the frac fluid until closure, which can be a challenge (lots of things can go wrong if the sand falls out or bridges the wellbore or fracture prematurely).

Design and implementation of hydraulic fracture stimulation jobs is highly technical, specialized, and largely proprietary. My familiarity with the technology is the slightly-more-than-handwaving of one who uses, evaluates, or specifies the result, not the detailed familiarity of one who designs or implements in detail. A NASCAR pit crew knows more than the average bear how tires influence his car's performance, but not all the fiddling details of rubber formulation and tread design.

My acronym-fu is weak today... what's a FLUTe well?

Dinwar,

Not particularly knowledgable on fracking itself, but also being in the Geo-field, I too am just trying to think this through speculatively.

Are you sure that those quartz grains are not too strong. Are they not the stongest ones that remained after all the processes that broke down the parent rock and transported it until the deposition occurred ? The sand forms part of the fracking fluid if I remember correctly and thus penetrates the fractures, packs them full and props open the fracture. Yes there's high loads down there, but depending on the lateral extent of these fractures, the area could be quite large and the resulting pressure (on the quartz sand) well within the matrix of quartz grains' capacity.


On the drilling technique, I would have thought that reverse circulation would be the best bet for this application ? Deep drilling, requirement to flush out drill chips etc etc.

On the fracturing itself, is it not highly unlikely that this is the formation of NEW fractures and much more likely that it is the existing discontinuities in the sedimentary rock that is forced open by the pressure ? Alot of these distontinuities (joints, bedding plans, stress fractures etc etc) could be discoulored (typically in shales / mudstones) indicative of waterflow and/or chemical weathering, implying some form of permeability here ? So permeability would be increased rather ?

Stress-wise, we are not talking about a isolated slice of rock here, laterally the induced fracture would wedge to zero and vertically upward you will find bridging and doming with increased upward stresses closing shallower discontinuities. A pocket of localised rock is thus rendered less permeable and the extraction proceeds, I would presume. Would this be grouted up / sealed afterwards ?
 

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