The FBI and psychics

joesixpack said:
It's far worse than you imagine.

This is taken from the Dept. of Justice pamphlet "When Your Child is Missing: A family Survival Guide"



While it contains a few clear warnings about fraudulent psychics, it leaves the door open for "true" (i.e., more convincing) psychics (i.e., frauds). I am rather distressed that this is not addressed in a more truthful and reality based manner.
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I agree they're eschewing an opportunity to summarily state that all psychics are frauds or self-deluded, but they do want to leave the door open for possible real leads by people who are using a psychic story to shroud their actual involvement with the crime.

A tip is a tip, which is why they indicate anything with specific information should be forwarded to law enforcement.
 
Foolmewunz said:
I just saw this thread 'cuz of the bump. Didn't anyone recognize Ted Gunderson? He's the 'investigator" that figured so prominently in the bogus "digs they did at the infamous McMartin PreSchool, I believe had an affair with one of the moms who was a major "accuser" in that bogus prosecution, and is an infamous woo. He died last year. Apparently "they" got him. He predicted the same in 1982, and evidently "they" took 30 years to fake a cancer death at the age of 83.

If Gunderson was the supposed agent who claimed that the bureau worked with psychics, then I'd file it away under F for "fantasy".
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Ted Gunderson was a conspiracy theorist in the worst way, and was also one of the leading figures promoting that satanic ritual child abuse nonsense back in the '80's.
Still, he was an admitted expert in counterintelligence activities, and during the 60's and 70's, was either special agent in charge, or assistant to, many of the city offices where COINTELPRO was most active. Making him effectively a principal architect in that criminal program.
If you listen to him in interviews, he is an extremely charming and affable man- yet always alludes to having evidence at allegations he made about corruption in government, but never produced anything.
Was he just a kook, or a con man, or maybe still working COINTELPRO to discredit real accusers of gov't malfeasance? Or a combination of any?

Probably never know.

He is still touted, incredibly, as a "whistle blower" by the faithful on YouTube, "revealing" things like FEMA death camps, chemtrails, gang stalking, whatever conspiracy he came across and could attach his name to. Yet about his own experience in the FBI, he said "Corruption in the FBI? I never saw any when I was in it. In fact we had a fine organization."

That's not a whistle blower. Interestingly, in some 30 years of his "investigations" AFTER leaving the FBI in 1980, not one person was ever indicted or convicted of anything, due to the investigative work of Ted Gunderson.
 
joesixpack said:
It's far worse than you imagine.

This is taken from the Dept. of Justice pamphlet "When Your Child is Missing: A family Survival Guide"



While it contains a few clear warnings about fraudulent psychics, it leaves the door open for "true" (i.e., more convincing) psychics (i.e., frauds). I am rather distressed that this is not addressed in a more truthful and reality based manner.
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Disturbing. Really.

Lately I have been reading books by Catherine Coulter. It is a fictional series featuring two FBI agents. J don't know about the authors background, but she does seem to know a great deal about the FBI, procedures, etc.

But the one I just read, well written, interesting story, fast moving. However, I was pretty irritated when it became clear she was leading up to showing how one of the FBI agents realizes he has certain psychic powers. Oh please.
 
batvette said:
...Interestingly, in some 30 years of his "investigations" AFTER leaving the FBI in 1980, not one person was ever indicted or convicted of anything, due to the investigative work of Ted Gunderson.
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Ouch.

joesixpack said:
It's far worse than you imagine.

This is taken from the Dept. of Justice pamphlet "When Your Child is Missing: A family Survival Guide"



While it contains a few clear warnings about fraudulent psychics, it leaves the door open for "true" (i.e., more convincing) psychics (i.e., frauds). I am rather distressed that this is not addressed in a more truthful and reality based manner.
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I agree, joesixpack.
Still, sometimes the police are under considerable pressure to follow a psychic lead, sometimes by the affected family. I'm reminded specifically of a famous case which may not be named publicly.

I thought the guidelines were actually pretty good- never allow a psychic to be unattended, etc.

As long as the public, or some percentage of the public, has the impression that 'true' psychics exist, such warnings have to made.
Here's hoping the day will come when no one is taken in by ghouls trying feed off authentic tragedy.
 
I cannot forgive so called pyschics that give false hope to parents of missing children.
 
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pakeha said:
I agree, joesixpack.
Still, sometimes the police are under considerable pressure to follow a psychic lead, sometimes by the affected family. I'm reminded specifically of a famous case which may not be named publicly.

I thought the guidelines were actually pretty good- never allow a psychic to be unattended, etc.

As long as the public, or some percentage of the public, has the impression that 'true' psychics exist, such warnings have to made.
Here's hoping the day will come when no one is taken in by ghouls trying feed off authentic tragedy.
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Yeah, this is a good point.

On reflection, I don't see this as such a travesty of logic. It seems that these precautions are very sound and their presentation in this manner is probably more effective than a blanket "all psychics are liars" condemnation. Certainly the writers of this pamphlet can't expect all the readers to exercise the same level of critical thought (especially under the circumstances that would lead them to seek this pamphlet out) as a dispassionate and trained investigator.

It the advice was simply "all so-called psychics are liars" it's doubtful that all parents would believe it anyway. "Leaving the door open" like this makes it much more likely that they would follow the prudent precautions outlined in the article.
 
Dcdrac said:
I cannot forgive so called pyschics that give false hope to parents of missing children.
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Yeah but look at Pakeha's point above, which is true.

Investigators would be expected to do EVERYthing and ANYthing, in the eyes of the family, to find the missing rug rat, and fast, before some pervert flings their lifeless carcass over a guardrail and off a cliff somewhere. If parents have a long held belief in the paranormal you certainly don't have time to change their ideology nor get into a pissing contest about it, or even calmly educate them on deductive reasoning.
If the FBI seems to embrace psychics it may simply be a necessary evil they employ, akin to keeping jars of lollipops to give to kids they find while they wait for parents to come get them.
Lollipops to coddle the silly beliefs of their parents in woo rather than fight with them over it, or become something they didn't do but could before the body was found.
 
Dcdrac said:
I cannot forgive so called pyschics that give false hope to parents of missing children.
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You will feel a lot better after scraping off all their skin and then salting them down (to kill bacteria, of course - though alcohol works great too).
 
Dcdrac said:
I cannot forgive so called pyschics that give false hope to parents of missing children.
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Or squash it.

Sylvia Browne - (regarding Shawn Hornbeck)
Paraphrasing - "You're son is gone. He's not alive any more. He's buried in a place where there are two boulders that are really out of place there."

Then he's found alive later. It's wonderful that he was alive, but what she said to his distraught parents...:mad::mad::mad:
 
Baffled said:
How can something be famous if it can't be named publicly? :confused:
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Ah, that's for Carter Ruck to know and you to find out.
I don't mean to be mean, just mischievous.

It's the case of a little girl who went missing from a holiday flat in Portugal several years back.
Carter Ruck is the legal team that successfully muzzled public expression of divergence from the parents' version of the tragic and as yet unresolved event.

Carter Ruck has been associated with the Côte d'Ivoire oil spill http://www.pressgazette.co.uk/node/44466 and Scientology http://www.pressgazette.co.uk/node/44476.
 
Minarvia said:
Or squash it.

Sylvia Browne - (regarding Shawn Hornbeck)
Paraphrasing - "You're son is gone. He's not alive any more. He's buried in a place where there are two boulders that are really out of place there."

Then he's found alive later. It's wonderful that he was alive, but what she said to his distraught parents...:mad::mad::mad:
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Did the parents approach the pig Silvia Browne for advice on the whereabouts of their child?
 
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