The Exodus Myth

Slowvehicle said:
...conveniently ignoring the problems of orts and detritus; not the least of which would have been the (very large) number of corpses.

I am not familiar with South Africa. Are there deserts there? Have you any experience with how long it takes for things to "decompose" in a desert?
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May I ask a quick question?

My limited knowledge of deserts (very few around Ankh-Morpork) suggests that the sand dessicates corpses - so they can remain recognisable for a very long time? (maybe even more than 3,500 years? :))

Thanks.
 
I Ratant said:
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YGBSM!
And you are.
Pathetic!
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Clearly not pathetic enough to know that some planets display retorgrade motion that will create the optical illusion they are hovering over a specific point over the horizon
 
Craig B said:
Numbers is full of long lists like the one you give. Hence the name of the book. My favourite bit is Num 5:14-31 which tells men what to do when visited by the "spirit of jealousy" and suspect that their wife may be unfaithful.
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A charming story, Craig B. It's good to see your posts again.
 
Rincewind said:
May I ask a quick question?

My limited knowledge of deserts (very few around Ankh-Morpork) suggests that the sand dessicates corpses - so they can remain recognisable for a very long time? (maybe even more than 3,500 years? :))

Thanks.
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Especially if they have been part of a burial ritual I don't think there would be any doubt the bones would remain identifiable. But don't get hung up on human remains. You don't need to look for something so small. The middens are what you want.

600,000 people camping even for one night is going to create an enormous amount of rubbish - and dont get me started on the amount of fertilizer their grazing animals are going to leave behind.
 
MG1962 said:
You can get away with single sources if you can find archeology to support it. In this instance that has been failing as well. In my mind the archeology at Jericho is most telling.
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Telling as disproving the Exodus tale?



Paul Bethke said:
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I may not be able to prove that the Exodus did take place—but I can and will prove that the Scriptures that recorded the events are true.
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Excellent.
What was the name of the reigning Pharaoh?
 
MG1962 said:
Especially if they have been part of a burial ritual I don't think there would be any doubt the bones would remain identifiable. But don't get hung up on human remains. You don't need to look for something so small. The middens are what you want.

600,000 people camping even for one night is going to create an enormous amount of rubbish - and dont get me started on the amount of fertilizer their grazing animals are going to leave behind.
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Thanks.

That's kind of what I thought.
 
Paul Bethke said:
Thanks for another English lesson—I have spent time in the desert so you now say I lied— I worked in Namibia constructing overhead lines in the desert—we had to learn a lot of things regarding the character of the desert.
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Is this the Namibian desert that you're talking about?


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Hmm . . .​


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Paul Bethke said:
Having found nothing means there was nothing to find after 3500 years.
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This is a 5,000-year-old Egyptian:


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Remarkably findable, it would seem.​



Paul Bethke said:
I may not be able to prove that the Exodus did take place—but I can and will prove that the Scriptures that recorded the events are true.
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Of course you will, and since your confidence would seem to indicate that you already have this proof in hand then the only hold-up is the time it will take for you to format and post it.

Any idea how long it will be until we're all gasping in awe of this proof?
 
MG1962 said:
You can get away with single sources if you can find archeology to support it. In this instance that has been failing as well. In my mind the archeology at Jericho is most telling.
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By "single-source" I'm referring to one person stating something without appropriate support. Having evidence to support an assertion is not in this category. (And yes, it's "history speak", but that's what I do.)
 
Rincewind said:
May I ask a quick question?

My limited knowledge of deserts (very few around Ankh-Morpork) suggests that the sand dessicates corpses - so they can remain recognisable for a very long time? (maybe even more than 3,500 years? :))

Thanks.
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Deserts are dry, sand notwithstanding.

Here in the Southwest, there are also relatively few large predators.

I have no experience with 3500-year old remains, but I have seen 100-year-old cattle corpses that still had legible brands (which is how they were dated).

I have seen thousand-year-old grains in pots, looking like something in the bulk bins at Whole Foods.

Not to mention, the migrant Hebrews would have been burying their dead, according to the law. If 2 million-plus people had been buried, some of them would have been found (especially the ones buried in or near the long-term camps, as Bethke's link describes Kadesh-Barnea).

ANd, as has been said, the corpses are the least of the worries. Think middens, orts, and dungheaps.
 
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pakeha said:
Telling as disproving the Exodus tale?
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Yes - at the time of Exodus the place had been reduced to a ghost town. It slowly began to rebuild until the Babylonian invasion both destroyed the city and sent the population into exile.

Later Cyrus the Great re-established the city on behalf of the Jews after allowing them to return to their homeland. The Hebrew scholars (at the time keen to point to God's intervention on behalf of his reformed people) put together the Battle of Jericho to show priory
 
Gawdzilla said:
By "single-source" I'm referring to one person stating something without appropriate support. Having evidence to support an assertion is not in this category. (And yes, it's "history speak", but that's what I do.)
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Okay I get what you are saying. I was coming at it from the more traditional definition of source.
 
Rincewind said:
Akhenaten.

Oh, you mean in the Exodus story, not in the JREF?

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You mean, The Last Days of the JREF.



MG1962 said:
Yes - at the time of Exodus the place had been reduced to a ghost town. It slowly began to rebuild until the Babylonian invasion both destroyed the city and sent the population into exile.

Later Cyrus the Great re-established the city on behalf of the Jews after allowing them to return to their homeland. The Hebrew scholars (at the time keen to point to God's intervention on behalf of his reformed people) put together the Battle of Jericho to show priory
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This means the Exodus story is neither more nor less than fabricated propaganda, doesn't it?
 
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