The Electric Comet theory

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Split From The Iron sun Thread post 611 HERE


Originally Posted by tusenfem View Post
Well, well, well, up to now no working model for the electric universe has been presented.

* I have not obtained an answer from MM on where exactly Birkeland calculates the dragging of the ions by the electrons, and I did go through lots of math pages in the book and wrote it down here.
* I have not obtained an answer from either Sol88 or MM or Zeuzzz on how the water in a comet gets created from solar wind protons and nucleus oxygen ions
* I have not obtained an answer about how EDM works on an electric comet
* I have not obtained an answer on what "particle reconnection is
* I have not obtained an answer on how induction can change the topology of the magnetic field in the following way that is from anti-parallel field to this X-configuration
* I have not obtained even the smallest acknowledgement from PU/PC/EU/ES/EC proponents that mainstream does not abhor electric fields and elelctric currents
* I would love to be explained how Birkeland's fission of uranium in the Sun leads to electricity (whatever electricity is)
* I would love to know why a failed model like Peratt's is being deified, when all observational evidence is lacking
* How does the "stars are z-pinches" model work, and what evidence is there and what is driving the currents for these z-pinches (I realise that this is somehow a mini-version of Peratt's galaxy creation mechanism)
* I would like to know ... well, that is about enough questions


Basically, I have not received squad from the PU/PC/EU/ES/EC apart from things that are already in mainstream, but the PU/PC/EU/ES/EC proponents have not got the foggiest
Point 2

NASA IBEX Spacecraft Detects Neutral Hydrogen Bouncing Off Moon


The solar wind, the supersonic stream of charged particles that flows out from the sun, moves out into space in every direction at speeds of about a million mph. The Earth's strong magnetic field shields our planet from the solar wind. The moon, with its relatively weak magnetic field, has no such protection, causing the solar wind to slam onto the moon's sunward side.
Read asteroids, comet and moons without magnetosphere as well!!!
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From its vantage point in high earth orbit, IBEX sees about half of the moon — one quarter of it is dark and faces the nightside (away from the sun), while the other quarter faces the dayside (toward the sun). Solar wind particles impact only the dayside, where most of them are embedded in the lunar surface, while some scatter off in different directions. The scattered ones mostly become neutral atoms in this reflection process by picking up electrons from the lunar surface.
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This is only half right, which is typical of a mainstream press release, electrons "stick" to the nightside, ions "slam" into the dayside i.e The night side is negatively charged and the day side positively!!!


maybe you have seen this pic before


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The combined scattering and neutralization processes now observed at the moon have implications for interactions with objects across the solar system, such as asteroids, Kuiper Belt objects and other moons. The plasma-surface interactions occurring within protostellar nebula, the region of space that forms around planets and stars — as well as exoplanets, planets around other stars — also can be inferred.
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And COMETS Tusenfem, do try and keep up sport!

Oh and I see it's all "mainstream" now we knew that all along

That is my friends is PURE ELECTRIC UNIVERSE!!!!!

As for point 3 see point 2! That is EDM a more energetic form of NASA/ESA's "sputtering"!!

And the BOOYA moment, from one of the comments on the UT page

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# Jon Hanford Says:
June 21st, 2009 at 1:59 pm

Ditto Astrofiend's and T Larsson OM's comments completely! These are entirely relevant questions in regards to quantitative measurements of these quantitative observations. No conspiracy theory needed here.The entire world wants to know, on an iPod, if possible!
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Just show me, Sol88 qualitative and quantitative how this is supposed to work. Not just tiny quotes from press releases, but the whole thingamajik.

Charging of the comet nucleus
EDM on a singly charged nucleus
Release of oxygen ions (most likely positively charged)
Reaction with the solar wind protons (also positively charged, possibly highly energetic)

Please show in detail that the amount of water group ions that is observed around a comet and in its tail can be produced by this mechanism.

Hoping to hear back from you soon with the math and chemical reactions to back yourself up.

Yours truly
Tusenfem
 
tusenfem said:
Just show me, Sol88 qualitative and quantitative how this is supposed to work. Not just tiny quotes from press releases, but the whole thingamajik.

Charging of the comet nucleus
EDM on a singly charged nucleus
Release of oxygen ions (most likely positively charged)
Reaction with the solar wind protons (also positively charged, possibly highly energetic)

Please show in detail that the amount of water group ions that is observed around a comet and in its tail can be produced by this mechanism.

Hoping to hear back from you soon with the math and chemical reactions to back yourself up.

Yours truly
Tusenfem
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:rolleyes:

Ask NASA!!!
 
Electric Comets?

I thought this was going to be the "electric comet" thread. So where's all the "electric comet" evidence? Are there no cometary lightning bolt pictures? So far this boring thread is not living up to the promise of its stirring title.
 
Ah well, Tim Thompson, we have been there done that (here and on BAUT). We just get the handwaving and "predictions" from thundercrap, the magical EDM, the even more magical creation of water, etc. etc.

But don't expect Sol88 to give you anything real. He never gives real answers, only links to pretty pictures and press releases. He is just a troll.
 
tusenfem said:
Ah well, Tim Thompson, we have been there done that (here and on BAUT). We just get the handwaving and "predictions" from thundercrap, the magical EDM, the even more magical creation of water, etc. etc.

But don't expect Sol88 to give you anything real. He never gives real answers, only links to pretty pictures and press releases. He is just a troll.
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I would not call Sol88 an actual internet troll because if he is then he has been a hugely incompetent one.
I would call him ignorant since he has little knowledge of science.
I would call him gullible since he is so easily taken in by obvious non-science web sites that are basically selling idiotic books (thundercrap).

I do agree that he seems to have an unhealthy obsession with pretty pictures.
 
Tim Thompson said:
I thought this was going to be the "electric comet" thread. So where's all the "electric comet" evidence? Are there no cometary lightning bolt pictures? So far this boring thread is not living up to the promise of its stirring title.
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Sorry for the lack of excitement Tim Thompson :boggled:

I mean nothing has really changed in the Electric comet theory camp per say, but evidence for the electric comet model has become much stronger and the dirtysnowball (or whatever mainstreams "model" is :rolleyes:) position has become untenable! :D

Simple and unexciting, apologies again.

If your memory needs a little refreshing or you may just not be aware of the two opposing views, then Michael Suede has a fairly succinct summery on the state of play!

I mean if it looks like a duck, quacks like a duck and walks like a duck...then it is most likely a DUCK!


asteroid_gaspra.jpg
NASA

040102cometwild2.jpg
NASA

Mmmmm....
 
Identification of comet Hyakutake's extremely long ion tail from magnetic field signatures
Geraint H. Jones1, André Balogh1 & Timothy S. Horbury2

Observations of the varying orientations of comet tails led to the suggestion of the existence of the solar wind—a continuous outflow of ionized material from the Sun1. It is now well established that gas from comets is ionized by several processes and joins the solar wind2, forming an ion (plasma) tail that points away from the Sun. The plasma environments of three comets have been measured in situ, but only in the upstream direction or less than 8,000 km downstream of the nucleus. Here we report a fortuitous crossing by a spacecraft of the plasma tail of comet Hyakutake (C/1996 B2), at a distance of more than 3.8 astronomical units (550 million kilometres) from its nucleus. This surpasses the tail length of 2 au determined for the Great March Comet of 1843 (C/1843 D1)3. Our measurements reveal that, at this distance, the tail of comet Hyakutake was a structured entity at least 7 million kilometres in diameter.
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wOw!! :eye-poppi

What implication would this paper have on the standard garden variety EC theory and the same "accepted" theory of the mainstream?

Like what do they mean several ionization processes??

Tim Thompson? Tusenfem? Reality check??
 
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Sol88 said:
Identification of comet Hyakutake's extremely long ion tail from magnetic field signatures
Geraint H. Jones1, André Balogh1 & Timothy S. Horbury2

What implication would this paper have on the standard garden variety EC theory and the same "accepted" theory of the mainstream?

Like what do they mean several ionization processes??

Tim Thompson? Tusenfem? Reality check??
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No implication for the mainstream since they are talking about the ionization of the gas from the comet, i.e. the gas in the tail of the comet.

EU is really dumb since it ignores what happens in the tail. Where are the EU electrical discharges and arcs in the tail?

What they mean by several ionization processes is several processes that cause the material in the tail to ionize. That is fairly obvious
 
Look comet wild bears a resemblance to gaspara, they are both in black and white!

Sol88 truly the lamest ever.

From Sol88's link
Comets are not made out of water and ice; they are made out of rock.

They discharge a plasma coma due to the rapidly changing electrical field they are moving through.

Since they spend most of their time in the outer solar system, they acquire a charge relative to that environment. As it approaches the Sun’s electrical field, it has to equalize its charge rapidly which causes the discharging we see as comet tails.
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Sure which is why Hyakutake's tail was longer on the way out of the solar system! I mean it acquired more charge didn't it?

Sheesh.
 
Reality Check said:
No implication for the mainstream since they are talking about the ionization of the gas from the comet, i.e. the gas in the tail of the comet.

EU is really dumb since it ignores what happens in the tail. Where are the EU electrical discharges and arcs in the tail?

What they mean by several ionization processes is several processes that cause the material in the tail to ionize. That is fairly obvious
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Care to name a couple of those several processes Reality check???

Namely what process ionizes your "ices"?

Is there enough "ice" on the comets nucleus to sustain the amount of OH observed?

Why just the finely divided dust?

The list goes on....
 
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Reality Check said:
Nice pretty pictures for the visually obsessed who are ignorant about science (hi Sol88!).

Only a complete idiot would just compare the pictures.

Astronomers know that comets have surfaces that "look" like the surfaces of asteroids. So they do actual measurements. They see that comet surfaces that are vastly different from the surfaces of asteroids. Some differences:
  • Comets have a darkest surfaces of any objects in the Solar System - including asteroids.
  • Comets have a spectrum that include much more water than asteroids.
  • Comets form tails. Asteroids do not.
  • Comets are much less dense than asteriods.
The idiocy of thinking that comets are asteroids needs to be pointed out (yet again) since you know that comets are not asteroids from Tim Thompson.

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Easy and consistent with EC

1 Are black from the arcs as well as the carbon produced!
2 Comets tail spectrum has more water than asteroids though not the comets nucleus
3 Shall we talk about Chiron
4 Comets are of a different charge than asteroids.
 
Lets see if we can get this thread on the non-science of the electric comet to the second page before it dies a death.

For those EU proponent who still cannot grasp the concept of magnetic reconnection - there is evidence for it in comets: Tail disconnection events.
 
Sol88 said:
Easy and consistent with EC

1 Are black from the arcs as well as the carbon produced!
2 Comets tail spectrum has more water than asteroids though not the comets nucleus
3 Shall we talk about Chiron
4 Comets are of a different charge than asteroids.
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1. No arcs (X-ray spectrum is wrong) and so no carbon from them.
2. To be expected - the ice is mostly below the surface. To be more exact: organic material is left on the surface as the solar wind boils off the volatile material during each approach to the Sun.
3. 2060 Chiron.
4. You realize that shows that they are different?

ETA: Darn - not to the second page yet!
 
Reality Check said:
Lets see if we can get this thread on the non-science of the electric comet to the second page before it dies a death.

For those EU proponent who still cannot grasp the concept of magnetic reconnection - there is evidence for it in comets: Tail disconnection events.
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Expected in an electric comet!

Did Enckes tail display the filamentary form expected by an electric current in a plasma?
 
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