The Electric Comet theory

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Good morning, rwguinn.
Captain_Swoop said:
Do you have to post that list several times a day? it's a complete pain!
And it fits the "doing the same thing over and over expecting different results"
RC--they are NOT going to answer any of those questions, they are not going to respond.
They are turning your crank, and flooding/spamming is not going to help at all. So knock it off already.
I think it's important to distinguish between Haig and Sol88, in terms of general patterns in their posts.

Haig has, at times, been very helpful to me, a new ISF member trying to understand what the ech actually is, and I have thanked him for that. However, it seems to me that he has only the most superficial understanding of what he posts, and because of this, he has stopped even trying to reply to my questions on what he's posted (I'm primarily interested, in this thread, in the electric comet hypothesis/model/theory, and the parts of the electric Sun model/theory/whatever which are directly relevant to it; I could care less about petroglyphs and z-pinches, except where they are directly relevant to the ech).

What have you found to be effective methods of dealing with the linkspamming? The almost endless series of lengthy posts by Haig that are essentially devoid of meaningful content?

Sol88 seems to enjoy being sarcastic, and focused on posting what he seems to think are anomalies and inconsistencies with/in "the mainstream" (again, re comets). Despite the fact that he himself started this thread, and titled it "The Electric Comet theory", Sol88 also seems to have little understanding of the ech, and even less interest in discussing it. True, he does sometimes post a lot of links and selected quotes; however, he seems to do less of this than Haig, and his sources seem more diverse.

What have you found to be effective methods of dealing with the sarcasm, and the apparently endless attempts to avoid any discussion at all of the ech?

@Haig, @Sol88: accept, for now at least, that I am genuinely interested in the supposed topic of this thread. Accept, too, that what I have written in this post is an accurate summary of how I view your posts. Further, accept that you both seriously intend (or at least once intended), by your participation in this SMMT ISF thread, to increase ISF members' understanding of the ech and - ultimately - acceptance of it. To me, it's now obvious that you have both failed in your intent; you have failed to communicate your message to what is surely your intended audience. Do you agree? If so, why do you think you have failed so badly?
 
Jean-Pierre Lebreton (the RPC guy) in his talk at the AGU says about a negative charge of the comet. (Sort of reminds me about that Cassini accident with Hyperion in 2005).
What he said (around 8:55) was that there is a constant flow of electrons from the comet with an energy of about 400 eV (if my eyes aren't lying). So there is a potential difference around 400 V between the comet and the probe, I guess? Or there is some other explanation to that?
 
G'Day Jeantate

Sol88 seems to enjoy being sarcastic, and focused on posting what he seems to think are anomalies and inconsistencies with/in "the mainstream" (again, re comets). Despite the fact that he himself started this thread, and titled it "The Electric Comet theory", Sol88 also seems to have little understanding of the ech, and even less interest in discussing it. True, he does sometimes post a lot of links and selected quotes; however, he seems to do less of this than Haig, and his sources seem more diverse.
pointing what he seems to think are anomalies and inconsistencies with/in "the mainstream" , that should have forced a rethink about standard comet theory years ago, which for me was around when I got booted of varies forums that staunch mainstreamers frequented and found ISF to be able to discuss theses very anomalies and inconsistencies with/in "the mainstream"

I've been back and forth on this forum since 2009 and whilst Reality Check maybe just a bedroom scientist, Tusenfem is up to his codlies in the Rosetta Plasma Consortium experiment package around 67P, so I'm very interested in his take on the latest findings.

@Haig, @Sol88: accept, for now at least, that I am genuinely interested in the supposed topic of this thread.
Job done then!

I've never said I was an expert and in fact stated many times i'm hopeless at maths but that does not make me an idiot who does not understand the principles of the ELECTRIC COMET - ELECTRIC SUN - THE UNIVERSE IS ELECTRIC.

And the interdisipinary nature of the ELECTRIC UNIVERSE has shown me things science (maths) will NEVER understand or model, ever.

As above, so below...


and I apoligize for my sarcasim but when up against the likes of Reality Check and his impressive list of problems I should solve for HIM to try and understand the basics of the electric comet. I mean, you've read them right? I've been called many an unprofessional name on many forums but sticks 'n stones...
 
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Now, back to the main show, no SUBLIMATING ICE on 67P and JET production.
Sorry, Sol88, but that is back to a lie about no SUBLIMATING ICE on 67P and JET production. The detection of sublimated ice, i.e. gases, from 67P is the detection of SUBLIMATING ICE on 67P and JET production :jaw-dropp.
 
Jean-Pierre Lebreton (the RPC guy) in his talk at the AGU says about a negative charge of the comet. (Sort of reminds me about that Cassini accident with Hyperion in 2005).
What he said (around 8:55) was that there is a constant flow of electrons from the comet with an energy of about 400 eV (if my eyes aren't lying). So there is a potential difference around 400 V between the comet and the probe, I guess? Or there is some other explanation to that?

Is that enough ev to start ionizing "stuff" on a comet?

The detection of sublimated ice, i.e. gases, from 67P is the detection of SUBLIMATING ICE on 67P and JET production :jaw-dropp.

still happy to call it subsurface sublimation, Reality Check?
 
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Dust charge and sputtering have, IMHO, little to do with cometary jets. There is no discussion of jets in Andrew's paper, nor in the presentation. The only thing is that jets deposit more dust from the surface of the comet.

What size dust particles would a random figure of 400ev levitate of the surface?
 
pointing what he seems to think are anomalies and inconsistencies with/in "the mainstream" , that should have forced a rethink about standard comet theory years ago, which for me was around when I got booted of varies forums that staunch mainstreamers frequented and found ISF to be able to discuss theses very anomalies and inconsistencies with/in "the mainstream"
Not quite right, Sol88.
We are willing to discuss the strengths and weakness of the scientific model of comets here so long as the thread is not derailed from its topic.
If you really want to "discuss anomalies and inconsistencies with/in "the mainstream"" model of comets then start another thread so this thread is not derailed from its topic.
We are not so ignorant as to think that scientific progress means that the scientific model of comets is wrong in its basics - comets are still ices and dust :eek:!
We are not so ignorant as to think that any problems with the scientific model of comets is support for the already invalid electric comet idea.
Electric comets still do not exist :eek:!

You do understand the principles of the electric comet idea which seems to be mostly that screaming "ELECTRIC COMET - ELECTRIC SUN - THE UNIVERSE IS ELECTRIC" make comets into rocks :p.
What you cannot do is answer questions about it: Sol88: List of outstanding questions

I have understood the basics of the electric comet idea for 5 years now, Sol88: Electric comets still do not exist :eek:!
 
Hey well done on the movie "Ambition" , nice fairy tale, much like the standard comet model! :o

what's the key to life, WATER! Where could all this water come from? In time we turned to comets!!!

:blush:


Now, back to the main show, no SUBLIMATING ICE on 67P and JET production.

We are not so ignorant as to think that scientific progress means that the scientific model of comets is wrong in its basics - comets are still ices and dust :eek:!


:deadhorse
How's the water in asteriods going RC?
 
I postulate that the dust is not entrained in sublimating ices but is being electrolytically levitated of the surface as a dusty plasma....
Sol88, No one should postulate an impossible thing :jaw-dropp!
Comets are made of ices and dust thus sublimating ices will push dust and ice particles off of comets.

What a reasonable person can postulate is that there could be a component of the coma that is ice and dust particles electrostatically levitated off the surface. The main problem is that the only evidence for this is from rocky bodies, i.e. not comets.
 
How's the water in asteriods going RC?
The water in asteroids is doing well, Sol88.
How's the inability to read doing:
We are not so ignorant as to think that scientific progress means that the scientific model of comets is wrong in its basics - comets are still ices and dust
is not about asteroids!

How's the fantasy that comets are rock doing, Sol88?
 
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The water in asteroids is doing well, Sol88.
How's the inability to read doing:

is not about asteroids!

How's the fantasy that comets are rock doing, Sol88?


Seems quite well compared to comets delivering water to the Earth! :rolleyes:

Does 67P/C-G Have a Dusty Plasma Environment?
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    • Tamas Gombosi
      • Univ of Michigan
      It has been long debated if dusty plasmas (that exhibit collective behavior) exist near comets. This talk examines some basic scaling laws and concludes that in the vicinity of the nucleus of 67P/C-G the conditions are right for the existance of dusty plasmas. The big question is: can these plasmas be observed with the instrument package on the Rosetta spacecraft.
LINK to the AGU Fall Meeting WebSite
 
Anywhoo back to the subject...

How do we, the public, get our hands on this

  • P41C-3939Jets of 67P/Churyumov-Gerasimenko as Observed by Rosetta/OSIRIS
  • The Rosetta spacecraft is investigating comet 67P/Churyumov-Gerasimenko since mid-July 2014. Jet structures have been identified in the coma indicating anisotropic outgassing activity from the nucleus surface. We will report on the physical characteristics of the gas and dust jets including their brightness and density enhancements, radial expansion, association with source regions and time evolution.
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Photoelectrons from the surface of the comet is also very interesting!
 
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Seems quite well compared to comets delivering water to the Earth! :rolleyes:
The fantasy that comets are rock is dead (in fact the phrase still born comes to mind!), Sol88: Electric comets still do not exist :eek:!

Some science you are still ignoring, Sol88:

Some valid science that is irrelevant to the electric comet idea: LINK to the AGU Fall Meeting WebSite
The Rosetta spacecraft is investigating comet 67P/Churyumov-Gerasimenko since mid-July 2014. Jet structures have been identified in the coma indicating anisotropic outgassing activity from the nucleus surface. We will report on the physical characteristics of the gas and dust jets including their brightness and density enhancements, radial expansion, association with source regions and time evolution
 
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