The Electric Comet theory

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Sol88 said:
Even at -100c ice is softer than the probe on MUPUS, so it should have been able to "chip" at the ice but not if it was hard like....ROCK :rolleyes:

Otherwise go get a hammer and chisel and have a go on the ahrdest ice you can find, then go find a rock and give that a go!
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Again, at -200c, ice is about as hard as granite. Get a very good chisel.
 
tusenfem said:
How do you know there are no subsurface chambers?
Have you some secret access to the CONSERT data?
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because there are no orifices or vents ;) sigh

Is the CONCERT experiment a goer? I thought we had flat batteries on Philea??
 
tusenfem said:
That is one of the things that surprises me every time.
Why is it always that gravity is not understood? It is two masses attracting each other
Why do those that say that gravity is not understood claim that the electric force is understood? It is two charges attracting (repulsing) each other.
Basically, I see no difference between the two, and nobody of the unbelievers has ever explained to me why it is harder to believe in gravity than in electricity.
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Some crap about the EM force being 39 orders of magnitude stronger than gravity, plus it is both long range attractive and short range repulsive.

Gravity the weakest force mainstream has to work with :boggled:


Can you make gravity in the lab, Tusenfem?

Plasma is exceptionaly easy to make, got some right here next to me!!!
 
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tusenfem said:
In which universe does this sentence make any sense?
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The Universe Holger Sierks lives in! it's a quote from a press conferance held not long after the Philea probe crashed into 67P!

and I guess by extension YOU, Tusenfem :)
 
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tusenfem said:
Don't know which data you are looking for but if you go to the Small Bodies Node you can find data from basically all missions except Rosetta.
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In the OSIRIS images????

Unfortunately for millions of space enthusiasts around the world, none of these exciting images were released to the public. In addition, much of the images taken of the comet over the past few months as Rosetta closed in on it have similarly not been released.
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I just want pictures of the jets and there source :confused: just like the whole world.
 
Belz... said:
Oh, so now they're not just wrong, they are actively covering up the truth ? Wy would they do that ? To spite you ? There is no advantage to doing that at all.
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Indeed Belz...why are they holding the pretty pictures??

But Rosetta’s operator, the European Space Agency (ESA), has released none of these images to the public. Nor have any of these images been presented in Darmstadt, Germany, where scientists at ESA’s mission control are preparing to drop the Philae lander to the comet surface on Wednesday. Project scientist Matt Taylor was reduced to learning about the new results at the Arizona conference by thumbing through Twitter feeds on his phone.
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So I've got Buckley's chance :(
 
Belz... said:
Again, at -200c, ice is about as hard as granite. Get a very good chisel.
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How cold was the comet again?

What an absolute howler!

Even me 'ol mate Reality Check can tell you hard ice is :eek:

but the MUPUS team didn't?
 
Explain to me again, slowly, how your craters and pits do this reality check? After you said
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But I can certainly make a guess for the source of jets that go in straightish lines. Look at the images of the surface of comets. Notice the craters and pits? A jet issuing from a crater or pit will be "collimated" by the walls of the crater or pit.
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So how's that panning out Reality Check?
 
Good morning, Sol88.
Sol88 said:
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but as stated in the ECH jets are an electrical discharge phenomena :D
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Thanks for this.

A bit briefer than I was hoping for ...

Let me ask you about jets, electrical discharge phenomena, and the ECH, OK?

1) How do you get from:
* there is an electric field centered approximately on the Sun AND
* comets are homogeneous 'rock'
to:
* the observed comet jets are an electrical discharge phenomena?

Would you please walk me through the logical steps from premises to conclusion?

2) What primary source, or sources, can you cite, re "in the ECH jets are an electrical discharge phenomena"?

3) Per the ECH, what are the two (or more) 'ends' of the electrical discharge(s) that are comet jets? Or, what acts as electrodes?

I think that will do for now; I look forward to continuing to discuss comet jets in the ECH. :)
 
Sol88 said:
Some crap about the EM force being 39 orders of magnitude stronger than gravity, plus it is both long range attractive and short range repulsive.

Gravity the weakest force mainstream has to work with :boggled:
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What does that have to do with how well or poorly gravity is understood?

Can you make gravity in the lab, Tusenfem?
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So since we can't do artificial gravity, it means that gravity is poorly understood?
 
Sorry Jean Tate, hard day at work...not much ice here today @43c so fairly knackered

Tomorrow ok?
 
Sol88 said:
because there are no orifices or vents
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That's what you claim.

Sol88 said:
Is the CONCERT experiment a goer? I thought we had flat batteries on Philea??
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Well, nice to know that you are keeping up with the stuff that you try to destroy.

Sol88 said:
Some crap about the EM force being 39 orders of magnitude stronger than gravity, plus it is both long range attractive and short range repulsive.
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The force between to protons at 1 meter distance
electric 2E-28 N
gravity 2E-64 N
BUT as we all know, plasma tends to being neutral on scales larger than the DeBye sphere, so then your beloved EM force (well basically the electrostatic force) can no longer work so well. Just a small detail that the EU community loves to forget. So, yeah, it's your crap.

Still that does not answer my question about why people have problems with gravity and not with the electrostatic force. It is still both stuff attracting each other.

Sol88 said:
Gravity the weakest force mainstream has to work with
Can you make gravity in the lab, Tusenfem?
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Well yeah, if I add enough mass together, I influence gravity in the laboratory (e.g. using lead balls and a torsion spring, to determine G, it is a freshman's experiment in physics, at least at Utrecht University, but I don't know what is taught down-under).

Plasma is exceptionaly easy to make, got some right here next to me!!!
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did you slit your wrists?

Adding mass together is even more exceptionally (double l please!) easy to make. So that proves nothing.
Children are also easy to make, and I don't even know how to calculate that attractive force.

Sol88 said:
The Universe Holger Sierks lives in! it's a quote from a press conferance held not long after the Philea probe crashed into 67P!
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NO, Comets are rock, or if you like, according to Osiris team leader, rocky like BUT not rock.
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I guess the bold speaks for itself. I guess anyone but you can see.

Sol88 said:
In the OSIRIS images????

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I just want pictures of the jets and there source just like the whole world.
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NO not the OSIRIS data, but from the deep impact mission, you were talking about the epoxi experiment when I made that comment.

After the discussion the images policy changes and more came out. But again, these images are scientific data, not just pretty pictures, and thus they are not released immediately.

And what you want is of no importance! I would like a hot date with Kili, but I am not getting it either.
 
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Sol88 said:
Even at -100c ice is softer than the probe on MUPUS, ...
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Totally ignorant Sol88 :jaw-dropp
This is what you cited from the MUPUS team on 197 December 2014
The probe then started to hammer itself into the subsurface, but was unable to make more than a few millimetres of progress even at the highest power level of the hammer motor.

“If we compare the data with laboratory measurements, we think that the probe encountered a hard surface with strength comparable to that of solid ice,” says Tilman Spohn, principal investigator for MUPUS.
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I addressed this argument from ignorance with a post that you should have read on 17 November 2014 :p
Reality Check said:
The tensile strength of ice varies from 0.7–3.1 MPa so it is possible that the MUPUS team were unlucky enough to drill into hammer on surface ice.
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Sol88 said:
The data is there, RC. But they will not release it....why?
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Maybe because they are smart enough to expect some benefit from their 20 years of work on this mission , Sol88 :eek:!
Or maybe they can read, Sol88 :rolleyes:
tusenfem said:
No, they are not "just pictures" they are actually scientific data for which a large team worked for over 20 years (planning and flying there) to obtain these data.

Although it cannot be expected of you to understand that one can do actual science with these images (taken in different wavelenghts, with different resolution, etc.), this is a big thing for the OSIRIS team. It is their instrument, they have the right to work on the data first, albeit only 6 months. It has happened before, that images were released early and some other team grabbed them and made a first publication. That is not fair towards the Priciple Investigator (PI) team.

So just hold your horses and wait a bit, there will probably another press release and the most papers for the special Science issue have already been accepted for publication.

Talking about publications, though, I still have not seen anything quantitative from the EC bunch presented. Are the scared or something?
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Doubting up on your ignorance, of science and the electric comet idea, Sol88?
* jets of gas are not plasma.
* plasma is not the electrical discharges of the electric comet idea
 
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