The Electric Comet theory

[Sol88]

Did you look up actual research papers, or just easy abstracts ?

Just the easy stuff

 

[Sol88]

Ahhhh, feeling sad now



Even the so-called "experts" don't deliver anything, guess the EU/ES/EC math has not been invented yet.



whoda thunk!!



but you don't believe them, or if you have some you believe you do not present their work



First of all the "power generated" would not be 5 million amps. Ampères is a unit of current, if you want power you would have Joules per second or Watts. And then you have your question wrong because you would get the current in amps from the voltage that you calculate.

If you have a conductor moving in a magnetic field (am I really going to do this?) depending on how it moves generates an electric field which is given by E = - v × B, which would be in units of Volts-per-metre. If you know the length L of the conductor you can get the total voltage drop over the conductor with V = |E| L Volts and if you then know the resistance R of the conductor you can calculate a possible current that could flow, if there would be a closed circuit, through I = V / R.

So what's wrong with that MATH?

 

[Ziggurat]

2,000,000,000,000,000,000 watts * 5,000,000,000 Amps = 1e+28 Volts, is that a lot?

I mean I just bung the numbers in google and it gives me 1e+28 sounds awfull bigish?

what would I be doing wrong? Is the maths correct or have a made a balls up?

It would be if this is how you calculated volts. V = w/a, not *.

Quite so.

2x10¹⁸ Watts/5x10⁹ Amps = 4x10⁸ Volts.

Is that a lot? Well, why don't you figure that one out.

 

[tusenfem]

2,000,000,000,000,000,000 watts * 5,000,000,000 Amps = 1e+28 Volts, is that a lot?

I mean I just bung the numbers in google and it gives me 1e+28 sounds awfull bigish?

what would I be doing wrong? Is the maths correct or have a made a balls up?

You're just frakking with us, Sollybaby.
Go play with your kangaroos.

 

[Sol88]

Honeybuns, these are not scientific papers ...
These are press releases and short summaries of actual papers with enough math in there to quench your thirst for learning.

Righto, easy sport



Would you send me some real learned papers, please Tusenfem?

You know one with lots and lots of data from the ROMAP instrument on Philea now on 67P?

Oh, how was the vacation, rested I hope.

 

[Sol88]

Quite so.

2x10¹⁸ Watts/5x10⁹ Amps = 4x10⁸ Volts.

Is that a lot? Well, why don't you figure that one out.

Simply awesome, gunna struggle finding a smiley for that one.

 

[Belz...]

I see how this maths thing is usefulll

Yeah it's the difference between a standing 828m skyscraper in Dubai and a pile of rubble.

 

[Sol88]

You're just frakking with us, Sollybaby.
Go play with your kangaroos.

ROMAP Rosetta Lander Magnetometer and Plasma detector also includes a third detector, a pressure sensor. Several spacecraft have flown by comets and an intrinsic magnetic field, one created by the comet’s nucleus (the main body) has never been detected. If an intrinsic magnetic field exists, it is likely to be very weak and landing on the surface would be necessary. Finding one would be extraordinary and would turn theories regarding comets on their heads. Low and behold Philae has a fluxgate magnetometer.

Any movement on that front?

It's almost like the comet is teasing us...gently singing a lullaby too fool us into think the...sorry..."Dirtysnowballs".

 

[dasmiller]

2,000,000,000,000,000,000 watts * 5,000,000,000 Amps = 1e+28 Volts, is that a lot?

I mean I just bung the numbers in google and it gives me 1e+28 sounds awfull bigish?

what would I be doing wrong? Is the maths correct or have a made a balls up?

See you're one of them cluey mob, 400000000 v sounds way better.

I see how this maths thing is usefulll

2,000,000,000,000,000,000 watts / 5,000,000,000 amps = 400,000,000 volts?

Yeah?

If you're still on that Io thing, the source you cited said "Approximately 2 trillion watts", and assuming it's an America site (they spelled color as 'color'), that's 2,000,000,000,000 or 2E12, not 2E18 as you showed. 2E12/5E9 = 400.

So your initial calculation was off by a factor of 25,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000 (400 vs. 1E+28)

(FWIW, 400V sounds a few orders of magnitude too low to me)

 

[Sol88]

If you're still on that Io thing, the source you cited said "Approximately 2 trillion watts", and assuming it's an America site (they spelled color as 'color'), that's 2,000,000,000,000 or 2E12, not 2E18 as you showed. 2E12/5E9 = 400.

So your initial calculation was off by a factor of 25,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000 (400 vs. 1E+28)

Ooops...my bad

 

[Sol88]

So only 400 volts then?

lo had already called attention to itself by controlling decametric wavelength radio emissions. Previous attempts to explain this control assumed that the movement of lo, an object with high electrical conductance, through the Jovian magnetic field leads to falling electrical potential, particle acceleration, and a field-aligned current system coupling lo to the Jovian ionosphere.

The force generated by the electrodynamic interaction is thought to accelerate lo in its orbital motion and slow the rotation of the Jovian ionosphere. The magnetic flux tube that threads through lo thus plays a critical role in the coupling of lo and Jupiter. Since lo's orbital motion is not synchronous with Jupiter's spin, the lo flux tube slips with respect to Jupiter and/or lo. Such slippage may result in an electric field parallel to the Jovian magnetic field that accelerates charged particles along the field, as occurs in the auroral regions on Earth. If lo were a poor electrical conductor with no ionosphere and a nonconducting crust, a terrestrial Moonlike interaction would occur: the magnetic field would hardly be distorted because the plasma would be absorbed as it struck the moon. An unresolved question is whether electrical currents flow across lo and if so, how.

http://www-ssc.igpp.ucla.edu/personnel/russell/papers/Io_Jovian/


is that one of them paper thingies?

 

[Belz...]

So only 400 volts then?

And ? Perhaps you should try to find out what it means.

And I appreciate that you put a quote of mine in your signature. I suppose you put it there as a reminder of the consequences of the gaps in your knowledge ?

 

[Dancing David]

I remember in several other threads EU proponents saying "we'd be able to get a lot a done if we had just a tiny fraction of the funding that mainstream astronomers have", with other responding "well what would they do with the money"? I've half-seriously thought that the answer might be "hire physics grad-students to do the math for us".

The actual issue I have is that the numbers don't add up, even in simple back of the envelope calculation for a trial.

There are not detected charge differentials sufficient to make comet glow electrically, bodies that should show coma, under the EC don't , etc...

 

[Dancing David]

That's nice, but what does it have to do with the validity (or otherwise) of the electric comet idea?

Jean, welcome to the forum, good luck getting any direct answers.

 

[Dancing David]

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Same reply as in my last post to you Jean Tate

So where are the quantitative numbers and why aren't you posting them here?

 

[Sol88]

The actual issue I have is that the numbers don't add up, even in simple back of the envelope calculation for a trial.

There are not detected charge differentials sufficient to make comet glow electrically, bodies that should show coma, under the EC don't , etc...

Dude the comet as a whole is not glowing, i know it looks like it from earth but its the dust and fluorescing H

There are however discrtete bright patches that sorta glow depending on how the've jiggered the exposure.

 

[Sol88]

So where are the quantitative numbers and why aren't you posting them here?

Let me design a probe like Philae and I'll give you some...Oh wait...ummm...
Tusenfem?

 

[dasmiller]

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[Sol88]

Philae ROMAP, Tri-Axial Fluxgate Magnetometer and Plasma Monitor (Credit: ESA/MPS)

http://www.universetoday.com/114471/rosettas-philae-lander-a-swiss-army-knife-of-scientific-instruments/

Wow isn’t that what Birkeland used on his Polar Expedition 1903
, more or less?

and I quote

In 1913, Birkeland may have been the first to predict that plasma was ubiquitous in space. He wrote: "It seems to be a natural consequence of our points of view to assume that the whole of space is filled with electrons and flying electric ions of all kinds. We have assumed that each stellar system in evolutions throws off electric corpuscles into space. It does not seem unreasonable therefore to think that the greater part of the material masses in the universe is found, not in the solar systems or nebulae, but in 'empty' space."[6]

And you're still prepared to argue the toss??

Irving_Langmuir-PLASMA

As he continued to study filaments in vacuum and different gas environments, he began to study the emission of charged particles from hot filaments (thermionic emission). He was one of the first scientists to work with plasmas and was the first to call these ionized gases by that name, because they reminded him of blood plasma.[9] Langmuir and Tonks discovered electron density waves in plasmas that are now known as Langmuir waves.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Irving_Langmuir

After Birkeland had named it electric corpuscles?? like blood corpuscles

and

reminded him of blood plasma

Why?

 

[Belz...]

PLASMA

DISCO !