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The Electric Comet Theory /SAFIRE Part V

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So that’s a few electrons, ay? A discharge even.


Now considering we see a wee bit of dust....

Seems important :p

Now throw in both positive and negative dust.... :D

And more gibberish. Why isn't this happening at asteroids? When are you going to answer?
 
Now considering we see a wee bit of dust....

Which shouldn't be there, according to your woo. And why are we seeing the dust around comets but not around asteroids? You might want to explain this. And won't.
 
Years of lying about posts, posters and science continues ("A discharge even")

Years of lying about posts, posters and science continues ("A discharge even").

There are no discharges in the mainstream ice and dust comet paper that he cited or tusenfem's post. The science is that dust particles in comet coma gain 700 extra electrons from the coma. These electrons come from mainstream mechanisms, not his cult's debunked and dead dogma.
 
Years of lying about his cult's debunked and dead dogma continues ("a wee bit of dust

Years of lying about his cult's debunked and dead dogma continues ("a wee bit of dust...")

What his cult has is a delusion of "thunderbolts" (enormous electric discharges) happening at comets producing dust from imaginary rock. They have no idea what charge(s) the dust will have.
What we have are mechanisms based on real world physics that predict positively and negatively charged dust particles and the detection of those charged dust particles confirming mainstream ice and dust cometary science.
 
Seems you’ve been outscienz’d.


Why can’t the dust be charged and being removed via electrical forces?

Because you say so?

And why is this not happening at asteroids? Why is the dust entrained in neutral gas at comets, whilst just sitting around doing sod all on the vast majority of asteroids? What size of dust is detected? What sizes could electrostatic charges actually remove from the nucleus? See all that ice around Hartley 2? Got there due to electric woo, did it? Millimetre, centimetre and decimetre sized dust are lifted electrostatically are they? Where is the science showing that?
And the dust should not be there, according to your woo. Want me to quote the idiot Thornhill again?
 
Years of lying about posts, posters and science continues ("It would form a sheath")

Years of lying about posts, posters and science continues ("It would form a sheath")

A plasma sheath forms when plasma meets a surface. Plasma in comet coma forms above the surface of the nucleus. There is no plasma sheath at that surface. The Rosetta spacecraft was a surface actually in the coma and its plasma. Thus the mainstream ice and dust comet paper took in account the plasma sheath around Rosetta.
 
Years of lying about posts, posters and science continues

Years of lying about posts, posters and science continues ("Interesting paper rd, cheers ...").

Replies to Years of lying about posts, posters and science continues ("Just can’t happen in jonesdave116’s world.") with more lies.

On the global electrostatic charge of stars is a paper showing that the Sun's (known about since the 1920's) electric field cannot be too big. His cult's debunked and dead dogma demands an enormous electric field that might make the Sun explode :jaw-dropp!

An ignorant fantasy that electrons and protons move at the same speed in the solar wind. Any force will accelerate protons 1826 times less than electrons (F=ma).

A lie that tusenfem mentioned a "cometary electric discharge" when tusenfem's posts have been pointing out the impossibility of the Thunderbolts cult's delusion of cometary electric discharges.

A "Charge is leaving the nucleus via the dust" lie.
 
Years of lying about posts, posters and science continues

Years of lying about posts, posters and science continues with a "thank you" for tusenfem's posts pointing out that his cult's ignorant fantasy of massive cometary electric discharges is ignorant and a fantasy.
 
Years of lying about posts, posters and science continues

Years of lying about posts, posters and science continues with "Seems you’ve been outscienz’d. ..." lies.

No science has been presented that makes jonesdave116's science -based posts invalid.

Sol88 lies that jonesdave116 has written dust cannot be charged or be removed via electrical forces. jonesdave116 has agreed with the mainstream ice and dust cometary science that Sol88 has cited and lied about :eye-poppi! The solar wind before the coma blocks it will charge dust and electrostatic forces will eject some dust from the nucleus. When the solar wind is blocked from the coma formed by ice sublimating, that process will stop. The dominant mechanism for ejecting dust from comets with coma is sublimating ice.
 
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Oh dear! It would seem that Monty is not only a scammer, but is also a religious nutjob;

The SAFIRE Project
3 months ago (edited)

I would just like to thank you most sincerely for your objective an unbiased compilation of our work. We truly are here to serve you and our Heavenly Father. If we can accomplish the things that we have just now set out to do then I would appreciate all to consider this is God's love toward Humanity and we would have fulfilled our promise to be good servants in His name.

Again thank you so very much and with best and most sincere regards Montgomery

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0J6HDQLicWI

Is it possible for these clowns to get any more ridiculous?
 
OK, now that it is all public, here is an excerpt from an email that Dr. Lowell Morgan (only physicist on the SAFIRE project who knew what he was doing) sent to me (and I have full permission to quote him);

Thanks for note. I don't care about Monty's lawyers, so if I said anything that you or others might be able to use, make use of it. If you have other questions let me know. I've told Monty that he's a fraud so my opinions would come as no surprise to him. I wonder if Paul Anderson is still involved.

Early on in the work I made use of the ideal gas law and had to explain what it is to all three. Ditto for the meaning of temperature. They're bozos.

Best wishes
Lowell

My bolding.

EDIT:

Fully expecting a barrage of idiotic woo from Sol to get this off of the most recent page, due to orders from the idiots in charge of his cult. Not going to work. Will repost on every new page. For some time to come.
 
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SAFIRE woo "fraudulent"?

An abridged email I had from Dr. Lowell Morgan;

my involvement with Safire began in Jan 2013. a colleague and business partner who was a physicist at Los Alamos (the late Louie Rosocha) called me in
Dec 2012 and said that there was a conference called the Electric Universe in Albuquerque in Jan 2013 that seemed off the wall but might be interesting. my artist girlfriend at the time, who is a terrific painter (she painted the Einstein piece of the first page of my website www.kinema.com along with lots of other science related paintings - prints of a couple of her paintings are on the EU store site stickmanonstone.com), and i met Louie in ABQ for the meeting. Louie & i decided during the first couple of talks that the EU concept is fraudulent ******** being promoted by several people as real science to the general public. we hung around to see what this whole thing encompassed. mostly they hate mainstream physics and the role that mathematics plays in it, they don't really know any physics or mathematics to speak of, they are, of course, Einstein haters, and feel put upon because mainstream science ignores them. they have all the usual trappings of crackpot scientists. they don't believe that fusion in the core powers stars. their "physicist" is Wallace Thornhill and, to some extent, Don Scott. Thornhill spent his career as a computer salesman for IBM in Australia. Scott taught electrical engineering somewhere in MA. i've been a professional physicist for 52 years, much of it in gas discharge physics. same for Louie. so we had vast experience with laboratory plasmas. although Louie is deceased i continue to work having been self employed for 33 years. i've attached, along with a PDF of our one & only Safire paper, my bio that gets published by the IEEE when i publish in one of their journals.

i quit for several reasons: (1) they could no longer pay me, (2) they're just amateurs to whom i tried unsuccessfully to teach plasma physics & chemistry for a half dozen years and i was tired of working with amateurs, (3) i had and still do have two other contract jobs that i work on, (4) Monty and the others were making fraudulent statements about their measurements & observations (see their 2018 progress report - my name is on it even though i asked them to take it off), & (5) they were headed in a direction involving cold fusion, transmutation of elements, and net energy generation that are just crackpot. all because they are pretty ignorant of physics. nor can they do mathematics or computer modeling & simulation, which are necessities in this field."

Bolding mine.

So, if there is anybody out there who wants to invest in this, I want to make it known to them that I have a bridge for sale at a very reasonable price.
 
Ralph E. Juergens and the origins of the electric sun woo

For lurkers, This video is The SAFIRE Project Is Not Real Science (Electric Sun Model Debunked)
It would seem that I've really struck a nerve by debunking some of these "alternative cosmologies", and exposing the frauds that push them. In the very persistent and vocal criticisms that have been brought against me by the people who have fallen for these hoaxes, the most consistent thing they cite as though it is evidence of anything whatsoever is the SAFIRE Project. What is this circus sideshow masquerading as science? What is it that they pretend to do? Let's tell the whole story.
Professor Dave previously made a video debunking the electric universe, got physical threats from Ben Davidson of SuspiciousObservers and lots of "what about SAFIRE" comments.

The electric sun starts with electrical engineer and Velikovsky follower Ralph E. Juergens. Juergens followed a typical crank path of being ignorant about and denying real science and making up fantasies based on his "expertise". His electric sun "papers" in Velikovsky's newsletter have abysmal ignorance, fantasies and close to lies.

From the first 1979 paper: The engineering issues with fusion reactors on Earth in 1974 has nothing to do with the physics that the Sun has to have conditions at its core where fusion will happen. The fact that neutrinos are really hard to detect explains why they were hard to detect! Neutrinos were detected in 1968 and supported fusion at the solar core, but not as many as predicted which was solved in 2001. By the end of the 1970's the neutrino deficit was well measured. A deluded fusion "in their atmospheres?" question. If he knew anything about fusion, he would know about the gamma rays emitted that make this impossible.

A stupid "The Photosphere: Is It the Top or the Bottom of the Phenomenon We Call the Sun?" article. The photosphere by definition and measurement is where the body of the Sun stops and most interesting and vital physics happens inside the Sun. Cherry pickling about granules in the photosphere. A "structure of the solar atmosphere strongly suggests that the Sun is fueled not from within but from without" delusion is applied to granules as "anode glows, anode tufts, and anode arc" fantasies. A deluded "Potential-Distribution across an Anode Tuft" figure with a plasma sheath, i.e. the plasma next to a solid surface! Fantasies about Fraunhofer lines. Fantasies about measured Doppler shifts of granules. A "true plasma" delusion (and that the corona is the first one of these!) when the photosphere is plasma and everything out to the corona is filled with plasma.

The remaining 2 posthumously published articles are "Electric Discharge as the Source of Solar Radiant Energy" delusions. An electric engineer knows that electric discharges emit distinctive radiation. Juergens knew what radiation the Sun actually produces, i.e. no x-ray emission as expected from discharges! An electric engineer knows that electric discharges are as he wrote "a phenomenon occurring in a gaseous medium" where that gas is insulating like air, not highly conductive plasma. Juergens knew that.
 
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Years of lying about posts, posters and science continues

"our rocky like comets having its dust removed from a consolidated surface electrically" lies when that is his irrelevant obsession and lies.

"rocky like comets" do not exist and is his persistent lie about landslides on mainstream ice and dust comets having rocky like behavior.
We predict that mainstream ice and dust comets electrostatically remove dust from the nucleus during the period when the solar wind reaches it until the coma forms and shields that nauceus.
Years of lying about his debunked and dead dogma which does not have electrostatic lifting of dust. His cult has a delusion of electric discharges between comet and the Sun blasting actual rock apart into dust and that dust being physically ejected from the nucleus.
 
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Years of lying about posts, posters and science continues

Sol88 lies about On the global electrostatic charge of stars L. Neslusan.

The author starts with the mainstream science (not Sol88's cult dogma) that there is an electric field inside the solar corona: "As was discovered in the nineteen-twenties, a significant electric field exists in the solar corona as well as in the solar interior". Neslusan calculates the electrostatic charge corresponding to that electric field (Q=77.043Ms).
 
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