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The "East Wind Rain" Message and FDR's Foreknowledge of Pearl Harbor

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The impressive evidence that U.S. Intelligence intercepted the December 4 "East Wind Rain" execute message, which signaled imminent war with America, is one of the keys to understanding that Roosevelt and a number of officials in his administration knew the Pearl Harbor attack would take place and knew that it would happen on December 6 or 7. This is why government officials tried so desperately to erase all evidence that the execute message was broadcast and intercepted. But now, decades later, the evidence that U.S. Intelligence intercepted the execute message is powerful and beyond credible dispute.

Some facts:

* We now know from released documents that FBI Director J. Edgar Hoover and Assistant Director D. M. Ladd wrote memorandums documenting that U.S. intelligence officials had foreknowledge of the Pearl Harbor attack from information that came from Japanese intercepts, one of which was a coded message that repeated a specific term to indicate imminent war. The memos do not give the name of the coded message that signaled imminent war, but their description of it clearly matches other descriptions of the “East Wind Rain” execute message.

* An important step forward in research on the controversy regarding the "East Wind Rain" execute message came in 1985 with the publication of Admiral Edwin Layton's book And I Was There: Pearl Harbor and Midway--Breaking the Secrets. Layton died before the book was ready for print. Historian John Costello and naval expert Captain Roger Pineau (USNR, Ret.), who had been assisting Layton with the work, completed the editing of the book and added a valuable "Authors' Notes" postscript. Among other things, Pineau and Costello found new evidence that the "East Wind Rain" execute message was broadcast and intercepted at least two days before Pearl Harbor was attacked, and that certain high officials in Washington sought to destroy all copies of the message and to pressure military officers to either deny they had seen the message or to say that it was a different execute message (such as "West Wind Clear") (pp. 517-521).

Costello and Pineau uncovered a 1944 Navy Intelligence document that contains evidence that the execute message was intercepted on 4 December. The document was produced by the Navy's Code and Signal Section (OP-20-G, aka "Station Negat") in Washington, D.C. It lists Japanese messages that were intercepted in 1941 and includes each message's date of intercept, its assigned serial number, and a brief summary of its contents. The document supports Captain Safford's assertion that the execute message was assigned the serial number 7001 and that it was intercepted on 4 December. The document says that message 7001 was intercepted on 4 December, and the summary of the message's contents says that "#7001 is believed to be the (missing) translation of the Winds Message" (p. 528).

Back then many people referred to the "East Wind Rain" execute message as the "Winds Message." We know that message 7001 could not have been the Winds setup message because the setup message was intercepted on 26 November.

* It should be remembered that no one disputed the existence of the December 4, 1941, “East Wind Rain” execute message, which signaled imminent war with the U.S., until 1944. Even the Roberts Commission did not deny its existence, nor did the Army Pearl Harbor Board and the Navy Board of Inquiry. A few officers said they weren’t sure which kind of “Winds” execute message had been received, but they confirmed that it was intercepted before the Pearl Harbor attack.

* During the Army and Navy investigations into the Pearl Harbor disaster, three senior military officers testified that the “East Wind Rain” execute message was intercepted a few days before the attack and that they saw a copy of it. Two other senior military officers testified that they were advised of the receipt of the execute message and discussed it with other officers a day or two before the bombing.

* The BBC documentary Sacrifice at Pearl Harbor presents evidence that at least two Western intelligence services intercepted the “East Wind Rain” execute message on December 4. The documentary includes interviews with two retired cryptographers, Eric Nave and Ralph Briggs, who were personally involved in handling the November 19 Winds code message (Nave) and the December 4 execute message (Briggs).

Nave, known as the “father of British cryptology,” was on duty at an intelligence station in Melbourne, Australia, when the Winds message was intercepted on November 19. Briggs, a Navy Intelligence non-commissioned officer and a Japanese linguist, was on duty at the Navy communication center in Cheltenham, Maryland, on December 4 and intercepted the execute message on that day.

* A document released by NSA in 1980 reveals that in 1977 the Naval Security Group interviewed Briggs about the “East Wind Rain” execute message. The document reports that Briggs confirmed that he intercepted the message on December 4, that he was ordered by his superiors not to testify at the 1946 Congressional hearings on the Pearl Harbor attack, and that he had discovered that the copies he had made of the message were missing from the station’s files. As one reads that document, one sees that, contrary to traditionalists, Briggs did not recant his story but stuck by every essential point of it.

In 1991, Nave teamed up with James Rusbridger to write Betrayal at Pearl Harbor. As part of their research for the book, they discovered that Lt. Charles Dixon, a cryptographer in the New Zealand Army, intercepted the “East Wind Rain” execute message on December 4 at a British intelligence facility on Stonecutters Island near Hong Kong. They learned this from an interview with Cedric Brown, a senior officer in the New Zealand Navy, who knew Dixon well.

* Two former attaches at the Japanese Embassy in Washington, Kenici Ogemoto and Yuzuru Sanematsu, confirmed, one of them in writing, that the East Wind Rain execute message was broadcast on December 4. One of these men, Sanematsu, became a leading Japanese naval historian after the war. In one of his books, he wrote about his personal knowledge that the Japanese Embassy in Washington received the execute message on December 4 and that its receipt caused quite a stir among the staff at the embassy.

* Both the Japanese Navy and the American Navy changed their codes on December 4, exactly as one would expect them to do in response to the broadcast and interception of the “East Wind Rain” execute message, which, again, meant that war with the U.S. was imminent. In addition, it was on this same day that the U.S. Navy ordered remote installations in the Pacific to destroy excess codes and ciphers, a standard procedure when war is expected to occur in the immediate future.

* December 4 was also the day when the Navy’s chief expert on Far Eastern intelligence, Captain Arthur McCollum, drafted an urgent war warning for Navy commanders in the Pacific. McCollum denied that his sudden urge to send a war warning on December 4 was prompted by interception of the “East Wind Rain” execute message, but Captain Laurance Safford testified that he discussed the interception of the execute message with McCollum on that day and that McCollum’s first draft of the war warning mentioned the execute message.

Some links:

https://www.dropbox.com/s/ioygospdjuhsxyb/ROBERTS REVISITED III.docx?dl=0 (this article discusses the FBI memos on military intelligence foreknowledge of the attack)

http://townhall.com/columnists/richardolivastro/2008/12/07/infamous_day_of_east_wind,_rain/page/full

http://jamesperloff.com/tag/world-war-ii/
 
The Rains activate message was never sent because the communications with the embassies were not cut off before the war started.

Failure to launch, as usual.

Failure to address the evidence, as usual. Did you read the reply or just respond after you read the title?

Did you read about the Navy document that Costello and Pineau found on receipt of "the 'Winds' message"? Is it just a whopping coincidence that the serial number of that message is the same serial number that Safford said was assigned to the execute message? Wow, what a staggering coincidence, hey?

Did you read about the memos that Hoover and Ladd wrote, just five days after the attack, in which they documented foreknowledge of the attack based on Japanese intercepts? These were internal memos never intended to be seen by the public. Hoover and Ladd spoke freely about foreknowledge from Japanese intercepts.

You didn't lay a finger on this evidence, nor on the other evidence, such as the Japanese naval attaches' reports, but just fell back on the lame argument that such communication was not possible. Gee, how do you square that nonsense with the Hoover and Ladd memos, with the document that Costello and Pineau found, and with the testimony of the two Japanese attaches?
 
Doesn't this tread the same ground as what's already in the Pearl Harbor conspiracy thread?
 
Doesn't this tread the same ground as what's already in the Pearl Harbor conspiracy thread?

It sound familiar is this old Bob doing a fringe reset?

Bob are you saying this was not discussed before and is a new brain cramp yours?

If it IS something new is still needs to go into the old Pearl Harbor thread
 
Basic fact checking error: Eric Nave was NOT the father of British cryptography. Far from it. 20 seconds of research will show that. Plus lots of other easily repudiated errors.

Ding! Try again.
 
My understanding of the Wind Code words was that they were to be sent in the clear and basically indicate tensions with specific entities around the Pacific. Opening broadcasting it would allow the passage of a specific condition relevant to the particular entity.

The provision for a clear text, openly broadcast English message led to the Pearl Harbor codebreakers, principally the few officers, to have to scan a transcript of everything broadcast by the Japanese for the execute words and in cases they had to return to work because the guy on duty thought he spotted them.

Prior to the start of the war, the embassies and consulates were to basically destroy their codes and ciphers. Those instructions were intercepted and cryptanalyzed by the US. It was one factor that led them to believe that Japan was going to go to war. It didn't tell them anything about where or when Japan would start hostilities but that is the problem with signal intelligence - unless someone says something specific, it is a lot of guesswork and probability.

After the start of the war, there was a strange broadcast that did not seem to be consistent with known weather conditions and it was assumed that some consulate had not wired the "we have destroyed our codes and cipher" code word and the Japanese were making sure they knew that they better.
 
Cmdr. Safford learned about the Winds code later on, and thought he had see "West Wind Rain" in an old message. He looked through the records for that time and couldn't find it. He did notice that form 7001 was missing, and decided that was the one that had the vaguely remembered Winds Activate Code on it. Nowhere else was the code recorded, and for good reason, the system wasn't activated. The Japanese stated this quite clearly after the war.

As for the Japanese embassies, the Washington embassy was allowed to keep one set of codes and a machine to send the reply to Teikoku Seifu no Taibei Tsucho Oboegaki ("Final Communication to the United States from the Empire of Japan"). The ambassador and Special Envoy Kurusu didn't know that any reply would be irrelevant, but Gaimushō indulged their entreaties and made that allowance.
 
Oh, and the Japanese Embassy was getting coded telegrams as late as 3 PM on December 7th, 1941. The Winds Code had been set up to allow crude information to be passed in the event the embassies couldn't get direct communications from the Home Islands. Obviously, this was not the case.
 
Aw man, that one again?

Not really. The caption says "We're going down to the Rialto to hiss at Roosevelt."


Well, actual, it sez, "Come with us! We're going down to the Trans-Lux to hiss Roosevelt!" It's from the 30's, natch. The Wyoming Republickers of my childhood* often had it pasted in their scrapbooks. For the indoctrination of their sons and daughters? Yeah, could be.

What I call odd is the way the great-grandchildren of those coupon-clippers are still at it. For them, it's an anciently inherited grudge, like a clan feud. Think Afghanistan, or the Circassian tribes of Turkish Laz.




*And what's more, I can even remember Bob Taft. He had his fans. Not really that many, though, and not a damn one among working men.
 
By the fall of 1941 it was becoming quite clear to about everyone concerned that there would be a war between the USA and Japan. However, at this time the USA expected the war to start in early 1942 and that the first big target of the Japanese would be the US forces stationed in the Philippines.

In any event, due to decrypted embassy messages, it was clear to the USA on 06 DEC 1941 that the Japanese would strike and strike first on 07 DEC 1941. While the USA knew the date of the attack, the USA still did not exactly when and where the strike would occur and the expectation was that the strike would be still the Philippines since the American forces there were the forces that posed the greatest risk to Japan.
 
By the fall of 1941 it was becoming quite clear to about everyone concerned that there would be a war between the USA and Japan. However, at this time the USA expected the war to start in early 1942 and that the first big target of the Japanese would be the US forces stationed in the Philippines.

In any event, due to decrypted embassy messages, it was clear to the USA on 06 DEC 1941 that the Japanese would strike and strike first on 07 DEC 1941. While the USA knew the date of the attack, the USA still did not exactly when and where the strike would occur and the expectation was that the strike would be still the Philippines since the American forces there were the forces that posed the greatest risk to Japan.

They didn't know the exact date, just that it would officially begin for the Japanese on Dec. 8th, Tokyo Time. (All Japanese forces operated on Tokyo Time, even when the Kido Butai was north of Hawaii.)

BTW, the code phrase "Niitaka Nobore 12-8" was intercepted before the war, but wasn't decoded until 1944, when a Japanese POW who had worked on the original orders informed us of the significance. "Climb Mt. Niitaka, December 8th" was the order to all Japanese units to execute their "D-Day" orders starting on that date.
 

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