The Dylan is in the Details

[Gravy]

17 feet ones did...but didnt the 35 feet ones only last 1.5 hours?

TAM

Yes, the 35-foot section that was restrained – as it would have been in the tower – FAILED the test.

The inward bowing of the walls on both towers occurred on sides with 60-FOOT SPANS.

(Insert animated gif of Gravy shaking Avery's head, which makes a sound like a baby rattle.)

 

[The Doc]

Loose Change Final Cut is going to be pathetic with the likes of Dylan and Griffin behind it. Dylan honestly believes that this kind of stuff he and Griffin are spewing as of late is, "undebunkable".

If Dylan is going to make such claims, he should read NIST NCSTAR1-6B. He's obviously taken one test result way out of context and was probably told the one result by David Ray Griffin instead of reading it from the actual report.

It's obvious that Loose Change Final Cut is going to put a premature strike on NIST. It's hilarious how easy that will be to debunk.

 

[gumboot]

Whether the NIST models could reproduce sagging and bowing or not is really immaterial.

We have photographic evidence and eyewitness testimony that the floor trusses did indeed sag and the exterior columns did indeed bow inwards, prior to collapse.

The floors DID sag. The columns DID bow inwards. These are documented facts, entirely independent of any computer modeling.

Perhaps Dylan can explain how it is that explosives caused these observable events to occur?

-Gumboot

 

[Dave_46]

Folks, please remember, as T.A.M. quoted "Four Standard Fire Tests (ASTM E 119) were conducted..."

These are tests to standardised conditions, not to try and replicate the conditions in the towers. As a consequence the time to failure is not necessarily representative of what happened in the towers.

Also, be careful about what the term "failure" means. I was familiar with the Britsh Standard test rather than ASTM, but I think they are similar. One criterion of failure of a horizontal member is the degree of sagging. The limit is a fraction of the span (from memory 1/40), not collapse, so even at "failure" under this criterion there would be loadbearing capacity left in the member.

Dave

 

[Hourglassmemory]

He's saying that NIST, tasked with covering up the government's evil deed, cannot properly fake a test!

And he just loves that idea!!! him beign responsible for the discovery of something.....he must drool as he thinks about it.
I can already imagine him in his delusional little world, together with Bermas, "Gotcha!!! Nhya, nhya, nhya! They're so stupid. They can't fake it, and WE caught them! WE caught them!! WE caught them!"