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The Disclosure Project

star.logic

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http://video.google.com/videoplay?docid=-1776848428018799270&q=disclosure+project

That is Dr. Greer's disclosure project, which began in '92.

Tell me what you think of that as well as this:


http://video.google.ca/videoplay?docid=-5305085298884471236&q=ufo+conference


This is a recent conference based upon the recent increase of sitings in Mexico, as well as other places. Both videos hold key information, tell me what you think.

I'm not sure if this should go here, or in Paranormal so I'll wait and see if a mod moves it.
 
I demand the government disclose everything they know about Blue Fairies on the Moon!

Cover-up!
 
I demand the government disclose everything they know about Blue Fairies on the Moon!

Cover-up!
The Blue Fairies keep warm by using Zero Point Energy heaters to heat their mushroom shaped dwellings on the Dark Side of the Moon. Their King, Pink, is of course Blue -- he uses the nom de luna Pink as misdirection, and to get back stage passes at Floyd concerts to feed his insatiable appetite for groupies.
a bit of Wiki summary said:
[edit] "Free energy" devices
The Casimir effect has established zero point energy as an uncontroversial and scientifically accepted phenomenon. However, the term zero point energy has also become associated with a highly controversial area of human endeavour - the design and invention of so-called free energy devices, similar to perpetual motion machines in the past. These devices purport to "tap" the zero-point field and somehow "extract energy" from it, thus providing an "inexhaustible", cheap, and non-polluting energy source.

The Casimir effect could be a fundamental motivator for this endeavour, as the basic configuration of the experiment appears to demonstrate the zero-point energy doing physical work.

Controversy arises when such devices are promoted without scientifically acceptable evidence that they tap the energy sources claimed. Promoters of such devices often demonstrate a lack of understanding of how the device might produce energy in accordance with widely accepted scientific facts and methods. They may have problems with the development or communication of a reasonable theory, and often fail to look for simpler explanations for the claimed performance of a device. (See Occam's razor)

Any of these behaviours are liable to taint the reputations of those involved with such devices, and qualified researchers are therefore likely to be reluctant to make any attempt to verify or even seriously dismiss such a device until its promoters demonstrate enough competence (ie. evidence) to be taken seriously.

DR
 
Ok, requirements for posting in this thread (accordingly)

You must be serious, as you should at all parts of this site, you must watch at least the first video.

Now, if anyone would like comment, please go ahead, remember, only intelligent posts from now on.
 
I think the responses to date have been intelligent.

I want the hour of my life back I wasted watching that video. All I heard was a bunch of guys who have no evidence, a lot of speculation and a knack for believing things that violate basic laws of physics.

A lot of the stuff I heard on this video has been debunked numerous times. This should be moved over to the COnspiracy forum. It's Roswell conspiracies and crop circles in a tie and a suit.
 
Ok, requirements for posting in this thread (accordingly)

You must be serious, as you should at all parts of this site, you must watch at least the first video.

Now, if anyone would like comment, please go ahead, remember, only intelligent posts from now on.

Most of that stuff's been around for years, with promises of big revelations soon, which never arrive.

And if you think you can set requirements you are going to be disillusioned....
 
I think the responses to date have been intelligent.

That's your opinion.

I want the hour of my life back I wasted watching that video.

Maybe you should learn to not waste your time, it's yours not mine.

All I heard was a bunch of guys who have no evidence.

Then you must be ignoring certain things.

a lot of speculation and a knack for believing things that violate basic laws of physics.

Your opinion, and those laws are not universal, just something that many people agree on, nothing more.

A lot of the stuff I heard on this video has been debunked numerous times.

But I want to talk about that here, as I haven't seen any of that.

This should be moved over to the COnspiracy forum.

I posted it here, please stay on topic. It's an event occuring now and around the world.

It's Roswell conspiracies and crop circles in a tie and a suit.

Your opinion.







Most of that stuff's been around for years

Ok.

with promises of big revelations soon, which never arrive.

No, don't see any promises.

And if you think you can set requirements you are going to be disillusioned....

Heh, sometimes children can behave themselves, you just have to speak to them correctly, am I doing that???

Could we talk about what the film shows?
 
No UFO Tale Is Too Wild For Dr. Steven Greer, CSETI's Director

Even those who support Dr. Steven Greer, the medical doctor whose Center for the Study of Exterrestrial Intelligence (CSETI) offers training courses in how to communicate with ETs [SUN #45/May 1997], are embarrassed by his wild claims and try to keep them under cover. For example, in late February CSETI's Website carried the following item: "A recent attack by covert [U.S.] forces with a deadly Sarin-like nerve gas on the ET spaceport under 14,345 ft. Mount Blanca, Colorado, ended in disaster when the attacking forces were overcome by gas and a quarter of the personnel involved had to be medically evacuated.... According to Greer, around `30 people [in the CSETI group] saw ET craft flying nearby.' Greer, and late-director Shari Adamiak, went up the trail alone, and `remote viewed the ETs inside the mountain.' Came back down the trail to get the group and all went back up to spot where they had remote-viewed on the trail. People in the group saw Greer disappear in a `gold light' which seemed to be coming from above them. Then, a `semi-circle of a dozen ET elders, all different sized,' that were visible with the naked eye, surrounded Greer who seemed to then disappear. ETs `communed' with Greer. They [ETs] said they were `under attack in the mountain by covert military forces.'"

One of Greer's admirers--Steve Moreno--recognized that these claims would damage Greer's credibility and communicated with Greer, who agreed to withdraw this report from CSETI's Web-Site. Moreno then requested that anyone who had downloaded Greer's wild report not distribute it. Moreno explained: "While there are tangents of truth to this incredible report, it is premature at this time for Dr. Greer to release such information..." Moreno expressed concern that Greer's tale might jeopardize his effort to get Congress to hold an open hearing on Greer's claim that the government is engaged in a UFO coverup.

http://www.csicop.org/klassfiles/SUN-52.html

Woo-hoo!
 
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Michael Smith speaks startingi around the 23 minute mark on the first video. He describes a "UFO" return on the radar which hovered around 80,000 feet for ten minutes, then slowly descended, then disappeared for 5 or 10 minutes and then instantly reappeared at 80,000 feet again. Then it instantaneously moved to 200 miles. He does not say how close it was before it moved to 200 miles.

This was, according to him, in 1970. I am old radar tech and I can tell you the older radars got false returns on an almost daily basis. And one of the methods of troubleshooting a false radar return is to change the distance scale on the radar. Its a simple knob switch which can change the scale click by click. If the "blob" doesn't move when you change the scales, that is a good troubleshooting indication. (ETA: It narrows down the possibilities of which circuits could be malfunctioning. You use an o'scope from there, change out a transistor, and presto, the "UFO" disappears.)

Chances are that is what the "UFO" moving instantaneously out to 200 miles was. The operator changed the scale to the maximum distance (200 miles), and the blob didn't move. But now, it's at 200 miles on the scale. You see what I mean?

As for Smith's report about getting a call from NORAD that a "UFO" was moving up the Pacific coast and to pay no attention to it, this was the Viet Nam era. Lots of planes moving around whose movements were classified. I can tell you I saw a few planes in my time that were not supposed to be where they were and we weren't supposed to talk about it.

Smith was probably told an "unidentified aircraft", not "a UFO".
 
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That's your opinion.
I'm pretty sure that's what you were asking for when you wrote "Tell me what you think of that"

Maybe you should learn to not waste your time
Maybe you should learn not to waste people's time.

Then you must be ignoring certain things.
Like what?

Your opinion, and those laws are not universal, just something that many people agree on, nothing more.
You don't think the laws of physics apply universally?

But I want to talk about that here, as I haven't seen any of that.
I suspect you haven't looked.

I posted it here, please stay on topic. It's an event occuring now and around the world.
That wasn't meant for you but for forum moderators.
 
^ Please make your post more substantial next time, or at least make a point.


Why? It speaks for itself, hiding information about the organisation's own leading light on a project that claims to be about Disclosure? Ironic isn't it?

And you are a pompous, self-important little person...
 
Ok, requirements for posting in this thread (accordingly)

You must be serious, as you should at all parts of this site, you must watch at least the first video.

Now, if anyone would like comment, please go ahead, remember, only intelligent posts from now on.
I watched all two hours of that film. I was chuckling harder after I watched it than I did when I posted the "Men in Black post." I made reference to the mushroom shaped dwellings on the dark side of the moon, a claim made in the film by one of the NASA bimbos he provided.

Intelligent discussion?

The Doctor got two hours of free press coverage for his project. Good for him. I'd love to see the report, declas, of the wind tunnel tests on the saucers "at Mach 20." (Can you say "scaling?") That would be cool from a personal and professional level of interest.

Zero point energy powering Flying Saucers, anti gravity being worked on since the 1950's? GMAFB.

Carter blew the Stealth program in late 1979 with a careless word out of place. The wariness of briefing him on "UFO" programs was perhaps warranted. He might have looked like a more complete ass had he leaked that. :p

You don't need helicopters if you have anti grav devices. DoD would have been all over that, like the smell of BS on your posts, for logistics and MEDEVAC, and long range SAR applications. Oh, wait, Igor Sikorsky is part of the Military Industrial Complex, so he of course guaranteed this stuff stays classified, as would Bell Textron, and Boeing, even though it would make them billions of dollars. :p

Horse manure.

DR
 
Elsewhere in the video, a Navy crypto tech says in 1969 he received a Priority message saying a ship had reported a 70 foot wide circle of light rising from the ocean off their port bow and taking off into space at 7000 miles per hour.

We are supposed to conclude this was a UFO.

First, I seriously doubt anyone could have verified the object rose at 7000 mph. And that aside, it sounds like a classic submarine missile launch.

Second, if it was a UFO, how did they manage to get every manjack on that ship to remain forever silent about it?
 
Someone at our university was a science advisor for the Disclosure Project. He has since retired to work on reverse-engineering alien technology to provide zero-point energy systems. I have heard him speak, and I have heard other Disclosure testimony.

Military experts are humans. As such, they have human perceptual systems. As such, there are predictable and understandable deficiencies and biases, of which most people are wholly ignorant. Including military experts.

Any such testimony, no matter how honest, is subject to the same problems that other eyewitness testimony is. The proper experts to evaluate their testimony are not other military experts, nor physicists, nor aircraft engineers...but rather, visual perception and social cognition researchers.

One example our guy gave was of watching an aircraft some 2 miles distant, about 400 yards long, moving at 600 MPH and making sharp turns that were impossible by our aircraft. He watched through night-vision goggles. Ok...given that distance, speed, and size are all inferred from size and movement of retinal image. The description he gave would give the same retinal image as that of a moth flying much closer and slower. Without any impossible flight maneuvers. His lack of knowledge about visual perception, and predisposition to believe it was a large alien craft, allow him to be quite certain of something he cannot possibly be certain about.

Military expert witnesses are tremendously authoritative. They sound certain (indeed, they are certain--they are just wrong), and they are of unimpeachable integrity. But their expertise is in the wrong area to be useful here. Just as Blondlott's expertise in physics, rather than visual perception, allowed him to discover N-rays... you do remember N-rays, don't you?
 
I demand the government disclose everything they know about Blue Fairies on the Moon!

Cover-up!

Luke! As a former service member, you are certainly aware of the current project involving Blue Fairies on the Moon and the U.S. Navy. You are also still under the terms of your non-disclosure agreement. To whit, if you say anything else about the Blue Fairies on the Moon, you will be in gross violation of UCMJ articles 92, 112, 114, 115, 125, 134 and 135!

You must cease and desist all speaking, reading, writing, and thinking about the Blue Fairies on the Moon or you will be arrested, tried, and executed on the spot!

Marc
 
Around the web and in the Disclosure video in the first link, there are several reports of radar returns showing UFOs travelling at thousands of mph. The one thing they all have in common is that they don't explain how they came to that conclusion.

On the Disclosure video, one former army air traffic controller was talking about an incident in 1958 in which a bunch of UFOs moved away at, by his calculation, 17,000 mph.

He also said that the UFO he heard sounded like a "pulsating transformer". A nonsense phrase.

In the late 50s, the Army radar was quite primitive. He was probably using the SAGE radar. I say this because he said he was stationed at the Nike Ajax missile base close to Olney, MD. Nike bases used the SAGE radar back then.

He said he picked up the UFO "just outside the ground clutter". From one sweep to another, the UFO (UFOs?) moved to 2/3 off his radar scope. And therefore it (they) was moving at 17,000 mph.

SAGE used many different kinds of radar over the years, but in the 50s, the radar freq was way down in the Mhz ranges. It could have been as low as 214 Mhz, and probably no higher than 450 Mhz.

Because it was mostly likely the SAGE system, I am using this document for source material.

A "radar mile" is 12.36 microseconds. So if you have a pulse width of about 12 microseconds, your radar is blind for out to one mile from the transmitting antenna. A 10 microsecond pulse width means your radar is blind out to 5/6 of a mile, while a 75 microsecond pulse width means your radar is blind out to about 6 miles.

So that is one element of your "ground clutter".

The other aspect of ground clutter is your operating frequency, which I mentioned above was pretty low for radar back in the 50s. Low radar freqs mean lots of ground clutter for a long way out. That is why as the technology improved, the frequencies rose and the pulse widths shortened.

I've never worked with a radar as low in freq as what the SAGE radar must have been back then. The lowest freq I worked with was 2 Ghz, and that had five miles of ground clutter.

In addition, this former air traffic controller said he was just outside Olney, MD and got a call from a guy at the Gaithersburg missile base who said the UFOs were right above his head. The controller turned on his radar and the blips were "just outside the ground clutter". According to Mapquest, the distance from Olney to Gaithersburg is 11.93 miles.

So based on my radar knowledge and everything I wrote above and a map, the UFOs must have been about 12 miles from his radar transmitter.

The radar sweep of a SAGE radar, and most of the radars of that time, was 15 seconds.

The controller said the UFO moved from "just outside the ground clutter" to 2/3 of the way off his screen in one sweep, or 15 seconds.

But first, he marked the location of the UFOs. "And then for a few minutes later, they took off." So he made his mark a few minutes before he noted them taking off and then making his calculation.

He does not say what scale he had his radar set to. I have been unable to find what scale settings the SAGE radar operated at.

But to move at 17,000 mph, the craft would have to move at 4.722222 miles per second.

In 15 seconds (one radar sweep), they would have had to move 70.83333 miles.

Roughly 12 miles of ground clutter plus roughly 71 miles of movement gives 83 miles from the transmitter.

83 is 2/3 of 124.5. So his range must have been set at 125 miles.

The pulse repetition frequency (PRF) of a radar determines its range. According to my source document, the SAGE radar that operated at 425-450 Mhz (FPS-35), had a PRF of 333.

The PRF will tell you the maximum detectable range of a radar, but I'm out of time. I'll have to get back to that.

Anwya, I think it is important that he did not note their movement until a few minutes after marking his screen.
 
Ok, requirements for posting in this thread (accordingly)

You must be serious, as you should at all parts of this site, you must watch at least the first video.

Now, if anyone would like comment, please go ahead, remember, only intelligent posts from now on.

Sad fact beanie-boy - you are currently free to post here - but we get to decide the value of your little sideshow. And like the previous that popped up, there is no good backing for whatever your assumptions are. You can post anybody/any video you want on ufoos and we have no reason to take them seriously, too much fakery and lunacy in the field and 0 (that is like in NONE) evidence for it outside of some (to be nice) mentally questionable souls who would have "took me to a witches meeting where Satans' fingers thrice entered my fundament and the witches together applied curious devices and appurtenances to the most of my Body until the pain made me seek surcease in the balm of lethe . From that I awoke in a clearing clean of life and found my way to my house where I knelt and prayed at my release. Now brethren, I pray that thee can remove from me the curious tablet they have caused to be placed in the rear part of my head." in earlier days.:D :D :jaw-dropp :jaw-dropp :jaw-dropp :rolleyes: :rolleyes:
 
Can we get someone offensive in here please!!!!!

This UFO garbage is the most retarded bull@#$% I have ever seen! Just how @#$%ing demented are you?

Do the world a favor; ram that greasy, undersized noggin of yours just a few inches further up your hershey highway and wait for the blackness to come. :mad:

/fnord
How was that? Was it good? I can push harder if you like?
/unfnord

Dumbass.
 

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