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The DeSantis gambit

sackett said:
●JoeMorgue! You're starting to scare me! You say DeSnazi has some little charisma?
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It's hard to put into words exactly, he just doesn't give off that "I'm literally a joke and if you have enough neurons to rub together to make a synapse not only will not take me seriously you will not be able to comprehend how any one could" quality that Trump has.

Now to be fair this could work against him. By the same token he doesn't have the "Flaming bag of dog poop to put on the Liberals doorstep, hate me or love me you will not ignore me" quality Trump did.

Trump very much started off as a "Are you listening to me know?" brick thrown through our windows by rural America. DeSantis can't start from that position as easily.
 
to be fair, he doesn't say which sides of civil rights cases he argues.
 
Can the Dems please demonstrate they've learned the lesson about Trump and start the character assassination of DeSantis now? Twitter and Facebook should be full of DeSantis as Hitler memes now. The guy is a Nazi so the attack posts practically write themselves.
 
Some might say Trumpt is DeSnottis Lite, some might say tother way round. I'd call DeSnottoid a sort of streamlined Trumpf. But it's not significant which is what, they both operate on the principal of making hateful sonsofbitches feel good about themselves. Power to the Prix!
 
Craig4 said:
Can the Dems please demonstrate they've learned the lesson about Trump and start the character assassination of DeSantis now? Twitter and Facebook should be full of DeSantis as Hitler memes now. The guy is a Nazi so the attack posts practically write themselves.
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He's playing far to the alt-right to beat out Trump in the primary. That is not an intelligent strategy at all. Maybe he doesn't have Trump's warped brain but I don't see him building up a cult following to any dangerous degree. I don't believe the majority of voters are white Christian nationalists pleased with all the nonsensical book and education banning going on in FL.

Seriously, is that playing well outside of his small circle of friends? People didn't elect Trump because he had policies they liked. They elected him because he spouted the BS they wanted to hear about Mexicans and Muslims and claimed to be a great businessman. That bubble has popped.
 
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DeSantis is probably going to find serious blowback from some of his silly political decisions. Only the raving fascists, cross-eyed christian nationalists (same??), and the gun-waving rightist Cubans actually support him. It appears the rest of Florida either could not be bothered with his nonsense because it doesn't affect them, or actively oppose him. I mean... How many doddery old retirees on their last legs in the sun are going to care if CRT is taught in pre-school or not? The only "woke" they care about is being "woke" for brunch cocktails.
 
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Skeptic Ginger said:
He's playing far to the alt-right to beat out Trump in the primary. That is not an intelligent strategy at all. Maybe he doesn't have Trump's warped brain but I don't see him building up a cult following to any dangerous degree. I don't believe the majority of voters are white Christian nationalists pleased with all the nonsensical book and education banning going on in FL.

Seriously, is that playing well outside of his small circle of friends? People didn't elect Trump because he had policies they liked. They elected him because he spouted the BS they wanted to hear about Mexicans and Muslims and claimed to be a great businessman. That bubble has popped.
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I agree with most of this, but Desantis' small circle of friends happens to be Florida
 
Norman Alexander said:
DeSantis is probably going to find serious blowback from some of his silly political decisions. Only the raving fascists, cross-eyed christian nationalists (same??), and the gun-waving rightist Cubans actually support him. It appears the rest of Florida either could not be bothered with his nonsense because it doesn't affect them, or actively oppose him. I mean... How many doddery old retirees on their last legs in the sun are going to care if CRT is taught in pre-school or not? The only "woke" they care about is being "woke" for brunch cocktails.
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he won 59.4% of that wang of a state
 
gabeygoat said:
I agree with most of this, but Desantis' small circle of friends happens to be Florida
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Part of FL and part of TX, there are 48 other states.

DeSantis and the lot of them are all competing for Trump's dwindling base. 2020 and 2022 showed us that base is not the voice of America. It's the GOP's fault their party is so screwed up that to get elected to their primary you sabotage your viability in the General.
 
Skeptic Ginger said:
Part of FL and part of TX, there are 48 other states.

DeSantis and the lot of them are all competing for Trump's dwindling base. 2020 and 2022 showed us that base is not the voice of America. It's the GOP's fault their party is so screwed up that to get elected to their primary you sabotage your viability in the General.
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totally, their base is shrinking from an already small start. but, Florida and Texas are a **** ton of EC votes. turnout is probably more important than candidate:see Georgia.
 
The GOPs problem is that DeSantis is the more boring version of Trump: an insider instead of a wildcard, an operative instead of a renegade.
Trump could rally the anti- establishment Vote in a way DeSantis never will.

The best way to character-assasinate DeSantis is to highlight his connections to the RNC and McConnell.
 
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I don't know if it's been said here, but I think of DeSantis less as Trump 2.0 and more like Santorum 2.0.
 
The Great Zaganza said:
The GOPs problem is that DeSantis is the more boring version of Trump: an insider instead of a wildcard, an operative instead of a renegade.
Trump could rally the anti- establishment Vote in a way DeSantis never will.
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Another problem for Ron DeathSantis...

His far-right credentials are open for anyone to see.

Usually, being a "moderate" gives a candidate an advantage in an election. (The most moderate candidate won't ALWAYS win, and there are exceptions. But it does give a statistical advantage.) And in the 2016 election one of the reasons Trump was able to win was he was actually able to appear more 'moderate' than Clinton. Yes, it may seem surprising in hindsight, but in 2016 Trump had no real political track record, and his promises were vague enough that people could read in almost any position. (He promised "cheap health care for everyone", held up a rainbow flag at a political rally, didn't touch the possibility of eliminating social security, etc.) And Clinton had been successfully portrayed as a "left winger" (or at least someone under their control).

But Meatball Ron has been in power in Florida for more than a term. We've seen "book bannings", attacks on LGBTQ rights, and people carrying swastika flags where he was giving speeches. With that type of background it is going to be hard if not impossible to appeal to moderates in the electorate.
 
Craig4 said:
Can the Dems please demonstrate they've learned the lesson about Trump and start the character assassination of DeSantis now? Twitter and Facebook should be full of DeSantis as Hitler memes now. The guy is a Nazi so the attack posts practically write themselves.
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Doing that only endears him to the far-right and gives centrist enablers an excuse to dismiss Democrats ("pointing out someone is acting like a Nazi is just as bad as acting like a Nazi").

If you really want to stop DeSantis, paint him as a weakling. Play his own ads of him debasing himself for trump. Run that stupid Top Gun ad he made. Show him shout whining at reporters. High light how all of his culture war nonsense burns out as soon as there is any pushback.

The thing about strongman authoritarians is that they are fake tough guys.
 
Norman Alexander said:
I always take US voting results with a beaker of salt. Voluntary voting means not all voters vote. Those that don't are either too old, don't care, or they have been gerrymandered. When only the fascists can vote, they vote for fascists.
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You need to take the voting results of most democracies with a ton of salt, since very few have mandatory voting.
 
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