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The DeSantis gambit

I think DeSantis's success is more a case of Florida's weird demographics not giving the Democrats the same "in" they have in other places more than anything he's doing.

I think DeSantis is giving himself WAY too much credit for living in a state that's just a tough nut for the Democrat's to crack.

The Dems find a way to sell "Okay we're for abortion, but we're still worth voting for" to Florida's ultrareligious but otherwise left leaning Hispanic population and DeSantis will be selling pencils on the street corner.
 
JoeMorgue said:
I think DeSantis's success is more a case of Florida's weird demographics not giving the Democrats the same "in" they have in other places more than anything he's doing.

I think DeSantis is giving himself WAY too much credit for living in a state that's just a tough nut for the Democrat's to crack.

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Plus remember 2 points:

- while Deathsantis had a very strong showing in 2022, in the previous election he won by less than 1%. It's possible that this one election was an abbreviation

- his opponent this time was a former Republican. I wonder if that might have impacted the election at all. i.e.potential democratic voters decided to sit out rather than decide between a republican and Republican-lite (one calorie... Not fascist enough)

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Segnosaur said:
Plus remember 2 points:

- while Deathsantis had a very strong showing in 2022, in the previous election he won by less than 1%. It's possible that this one election was an abbreviation
- his opponent this time was a former Republican. I wonder if that might have impacted the election at all. i.e.potential democratic voters decided to sit out rather than decide between a republican and Republican-lite (one calorie... Not fascist enough)

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I'm guessing you meant aberration.

No idea, but I suppose if you look at the Senate race, you can see that Rubio also won by about the same amount. DeSantis beat the margin by a couple of percentage points.

Here is one possibility...

...one of my co-workers here in Japan voted in his home state of Arizona but was only able to vote for federal posts such as Senator, but NOT for Governor.

Could it be that Florida does the same for those voting from outside the state only allowing them to vote Senate hence the wider gap?

This could perhaps say more about the anti-Trump turn of the GOP (possibly?). Relatively non-Trumpers did better than pro-Trumpers?
 
Brainster said:
Why would you think he would shake hands with radical leftists?
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Well it would include you, unless you have personally bowed before him and sucked his weird dick.

All honesty, can you look at Reagan”s fiscal policies and separate them from what Clinton proposed?
It’s a cult, and it needs to stop.
 
Venom said:
If you regard Donald Trump as a uniquely toxic and dangerous threat to the nation,
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I regard him as a culmination, perhaps an acceleration of what the GOP has been doing for 40+ years. Thi is why I don't believe in "sensible Republicans".

should we starting considering backing Ron DeSantis?
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no. Trump was a symptom. The GQP is the disease.

He's currently gaining approval among establishment Republicans and major media outlets,
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The media has been talking him up for years.

provoking the ire of Trump and much of his base. I've also seen many other MAGA people sharply criticize the former president after he introduced DeSantis' new nickname at a Pennsylvania rally last week.
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Remember how all the Republicans hated Trump early on? Ya, they'll get back in line.


I regard DeSantis as another shameless buffoon. He's done three things that have caught my eye recently though. He's put in work to protect the environment and natural resources of Florida, raised minimum teacher pay, and backed candidates not aligned with Trump. These are things the rightwing base do not normally crusade for. And IMO they provide an opening for liberals and Never-Trumpers to ingratiate themselves with the DeSantis coalition as it may turn out to be.
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Never Trumpers will totally jump on this bandwagon. Just give them an excuse. Plenty of white middle-class "moderates" as well.

This I think could backfire if DeSantis decides not to run and backs Trump; he's 44 and he may feel he has plenty of time.
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The general thought is to strike while the iron is hot. It doesn't matter if it is someone else's "turn". You never know what will happen or who will be the next big thing. There's going to be stiff competition now. Waiting another 4 years will only make it tougher.

It could also backfire if the establishment cannot or will not reign him in and he goes full Trumpist once in power.
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The only problem they had with Trump was keeping him on message.

But I think if there's any opportunity to create a wedge within the Republican power structure, if only to take away a single-digit slice of the general election numbers in 2024, it's now.
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I just want to see Trump make him cry at the first debate. People forget how badly Gillam trounced him and damn near got himself and Bill Nelson's boomer ass elected.
 
zorro99 said:
DeSantis appeared with Biden just a few weeks ago following the hurricane. Bipartisanship is not such a bad thing.

And why would he want to wait six years to run? He’s got the momentum right now. Six years is too far away to keep momentum. He should run in 2024.
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Biden should have refused to let him appear. Desantis is a scumbag fascist **** and needs to be shown what Americans did to his ilk in the 40s.

ETA: The Americans, i.e., non-republicans, are three parties. The main of it is rightist, a bunch are center-left, and about a dozen people at the state or federal level are progressives.

The republicans are dedicated to a theocratic plutocracy.
 
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Donal said:
I just want to see Trump make him cry at the first debate. People forget how badly Gillam trounced him and damn near got himself and Bill Nelson's boomer ass elected.
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I think Trump would son him in live debate regardless of material. I think about the optics advantages of Trump being taller and DeSantis' "whiny" voice, etc.
 
All this shows is Garrison is a raging coward prepared to suck up to the latest "strongman" in order to push his comics. Just watch. When DeSantis crashes and burns, he will pick some other wannabe fascist to latch onto.
 
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I don't know if it is symptomatic of anything bigger, but I wonder if Ben Garrison is a bellwether.
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Garrison's former superman certainly has lost weight fast.
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Maybe he thinks Jesus only allows one character with muscles to be shown in any comic at any time


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Venom said:
I think Trump would son him in live debate regardless of material. I think about the optics advantages of Trump being taller and DeSantis' "whiny" voice, etc.
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Unless DeSantis is prepared to go nuclear and say, “Donald let’s compare our heights - we’ll take our shoes off and stand next to each other.”

Or he could challenge him to race down a ramp.
 
DeSantis is scarily good at selling the "You want freedom, I want the freedom to oppress you, so we're on even ground" message. He's a poster child for how the Right has blinders on about the Paradox of Tolerance.

His entire campaign was about how Florida is "freedom state" but it's all the same "The only freedom I care about is the freedom to hurt other people or be factually wrong about something" the Republicans love so much.
 
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Duh Santas worries me. He has more to offer the corrupt big timers of the rethuglican Partei than Trumpf: real estate, casinos, banking (the laundromat kind), smuggling, public contracts -- hell, outright slavery for all I can see.

Trumpf can service the emotional needs of the hooligan vote and that's about it.
 
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Also I've seen the dude in person a couple/few times (He's a not uncommon presence on military based in Florida) and he does have more like... street level charisma than Trump does. He's harder to "hate" on a raw, personal emotional level then Trump.

Again I'm not AS worried about DeSantis for reasons I outlined before, he's much more a case of Florida's weird demographics being a tough nut to crack for Democrats and I don't think (hope) that would translate to national level success that easily, but I'm still a little worried. He COULD be that "Trump but not so cartoonish about it" problem.
 
●JoeMorgue! You're starting to scare me! You say DeSnazi has some little charisma? Jesus, if the professionals could sell a wierd creep like Nixon, with his rancid-dishrag personality, they could turn DeSmutty into a new Huey Long. "Every WHITE man a king! Muh!"

But let's hope that Peak Fascism has passed. We just saw what happens when the rightie tighties overreach themselves -- and they always do, because their doctrine of Perpetual Struggle forces them to.
 
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