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The Cross In Space
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Darth Rotor
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As should people who harbor such sentiments.
Good for the goose, good for the gander.
DR
Funny. I read that comment and then I turned on the TV later that day and the South Park about atheists being at war and bastardly was on. It made me think of the comment.
I tend to think that these sort of beliefs are fair game for laughing at, but not really what Mark is proposing.
Achán hiNidráne
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As should people who harbor such sentiments.
Good for the goose, good for the gander.
DR
I dare you to try, Christer.
alfaniner
Penultimate Amazing
I would be surprised if one of the space shuttle or station crew, or any previous astronaut, hasn't already carried one up around his/her neck.
I'm sure of that too. I do know that one of the first acts performed on the
moon was a Catholic "holy communion". Buzz Aldrin brought along a
miniature "communion" kit with a little chalice and wine and other requisites.
No explicit mention of a cross on that occasion though. He'd wanted to
broadcast it but a complaint by Madalyn Murray O'Hare (sp?) after Apollo 8
had broadcast readings from "Genesis" put paid to that idea.
Temporal Renegade
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godless dave
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Don't the Christians have some commandment prohibiting the worship of graven images?
Yes, well. that's... ahem... a rather strange thing there. Um they do, as they inherited it from the jews but they don't seem to be that much of a stickler for it. They cut you a lot of slack for worshiping relics and images as long as it's some sort of indirect worship of god. Or something...
Anyways, they don't really talk about that one much. Seems to be a technicality. Also the whole thing of nut cutting one's sideburns. And not eating pork... they decided that was only for before the massiah and now it's okay. And being circumcises... no longer required. Of course, being gay is still a big no no as "man shall not lie with man" and they spend a lot of time on that one and the adultry one. Also spilling sperm. But the worship of images? No... they kinda turn a blind eye to that one. Along with having your wife stay in a special shed while she's menstrating. Well... most don't pay attention to that one. I think a few do.
Meadmaker
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Only the Protestants.
(Look it up if you don't understand this, but the section in Deuteronomy and/or Exodus that has "the ten commandments" doesn't have a list labelled 1-10. It has quite a few more sentences. Catholics, Protestants, and Jews all break it out differently to get to 10. Only in the Protestant version does "Thou shalt make no graven images" get its own number.)
rsaavedra
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Hmm, let's see, isn't an upside-down cross allegedly a satanic symbol? That little satellite cross better orient itself properly all along its orbit with respect to all humans viewing it from the surface of the earth...
PS. A fish is also a Christinity symbol. Hopefully noone will get any perverted ideas sending poor fish into orbit.
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kmortis
Biomechanoid, Director of IDIOCY (Region 13)
SHHHHHHHHH!!!!!!! You'll upset Piscivore!
Nogbad, I'm with you. I thought that the Crazy World of Arthur Blessit would have burnt itself out by now.
I also thought that the therapy I had to do to recover from all the TBN I watched to SEE Blessit would have taken....
Kopji
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The site's animation of a cross orbiting the Earth is priceless.
The thing I really hate most is that with sites like these it makes weeding out the hoaxes very difficult. When the serious subject matter is sillier than a hoax it's pretty tough on us.
The thing I really hate most is that with sites like these it makes weeding out the hoaxes very difficult. When the serious subject matter is sillier than a hoax it's pretty tough on us.
godless dave
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I knew there were different versions of the 10 Commandments (and that most "Christian" Americans are only familiar with the Charlton Heston version), but I didn't know the Catholic version didn't include the prohibition against graven images. Thanks!
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Father Dagon
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Did Arthur Blessitt really carry the cross around the world in every nation? And when is it supposed to be launched? Spring 2007 or 2006?
The cross will be over You personally! The Cross will be over every Nation on earth! Over Afghanistan! Saudi Arabia! Jerusalem!
More like Jewrusalem, amirite?
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Halcyon Dayz
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Iconoclasm vs Iconodulism
Actualy it does, but the phrase Thou shalt not make for thyself an idol is coupled to the preceding phrase Thou shalt have no other gods before me.
Which leaves lots of room for interpretation.
So you can't have golden calves but you can have a crucifix. Which is definitely a graven image.
In the Byzantine Empire in the early Middle Ages there were two periods during which iconoclasm was official policy.
In both cases as a response to military defeats, interpreted by the emperor as punishments from god over the 'graven images' issue.
It led to strong resistance and sometime violence.
Ironically in both cases iconodulism was restored by women, emperor Irene and empress-regent Theodora, who were both later glorified as saints by the Eastern Orthodox Church.
(Byzantine history is fascinating.
)
Actualy it does, but the phrase Thou shalt not make for thyself an idol is coupled to the preceding phrase Thou shalt have no other gods before me.
Which leaves lots of room for interpretation.
So you can't have golden calves but you can have a crucifix. Which is definitely a graven image.
In the Byzantine Empire in the early Middle Ages there were two periods during which iconoclasm was official policy.
In both cases as a response to military defeats, interpreted by the emperor as punishments from god over the 'graven images' issue.
It led to strong resistance and sometime violence.
Ironically in both cases iconodulism was restored by women, emperor Irene and empress-regent Theodora, who were both later glorified as saints by the Eastern Orthodox Church.
(Byzantine history is fascinating.
)Arthur Blessit! Gosh, that takes me back. He came to Scotland with his cross when I was in High School in the early 1970s. As I recall, it was more half size than full size- and it was on wheels. I don't think he carried it very far.
He had quite the effect on various religious types at my school. I recall wondering if "Blessit" was his real name.
He had quite the effect on various religious types at my school. I recall wondering if "Blessit" was his real name.
Tanstaafl
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Sooo... if it doesn't get its own number, you don't have to follow it?
Seems to me it's still a commandment even if it's not (by itself) one of the ten commandments.
kmortis
Biomechanoid, Director of IDIOCY (Region 13)
Well, there are 217 laws listed in Leviticus. Take your pick.