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The CIA and Cocaine...

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Malachi151

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How deep were they invovled? Furthermore to what degree, if any did policy changes by the Reagan administration facilitate the "alleged" cooperation cooperation between the CIA and Contras in the sale of cocaine and crack to Americans? And, why doesn't the public know more about all this and where are the people today that were involved?
 
Is there any real evidence supporting the claim that the CIA was involved in coke trafficking? I understand that a drug dealing gunrunner languishing in jail has made some wild accusations... is there anything more reliable?
 
Oh come on, 44 views and only 3 votes, what is the matter, are people afraid to vote? ;)

Its one of the first things I talk about in my paper :p

The CIA Drug connection under Reagan

Under President Ronald Reagan America not only increased its involvement in the Middle East by supplying arms to both Iraq and Iran in their war against each other, but America stepped up its involvement in conflicts around the world, especially South America.

The “War on Drugs” really started with President Nixon and his attack on marijuana, but Reagan is known as the “Just Say No” president for his campaign against recreational drugs in America and a strong policy of international drug eradication. Under Reagan’s policy, at a time when Americans were being presented with strong anti-drug propaganda, the CIA was in fact an accomplice to the largest narcotics smuggling ring in the United States. It was in fact Reagan’s policies that led to the cooperation between the CIA and the Contras, a radical right-wing rebel group operating in Nicaragua and beholden to American interests.

In 1998 the CIA finally admitted to its involvement in drug trafficking in the United States after years of federal investigation by the Kerry Congressional Committee. What the CIA admitted to was facilitating the import and sale of cocaine and the development of crack cocaine in the 1980s through American military bases. This was done because funds for the support of militant groups in South America had been withdrawn by Congress so the CIA allowed the Contras to engage in the drug trade in the United States in order to make money to fund their military operations.

These are hard facts. The CIA was forced to publish the information by the Congressional Committee when they were found of wrongdoing. You can find the official CIA version of the story here:

http://www.cia.gov/cia/publications/cocaine/

The truth is that the major motivation behind the “War on Drugs” is to support funding for programs to fight against left-wing and independence movements around the world. Drugs have been a major factor in the funding of revolutions for centuries. This is because drugs are a very high profit product that can be grown by even the most primitive people, and thus it’s very hard to control. In fact the American Revolution was funded by “drugs”. The main “drug” in the funding of the American Revolution was tobacco, but opium played a role as well. Tobacco was regulated by the King of England not only for health reasons but also because he knew that it was funding American colonial “terrorism”. America was able to pay for French support in the war against England only through tobacco money. In fact at the time the war was not even called the American Revolution, it was called "The Tobacco Wars", and the area of Massachusetts Bay was known as "The Tobacco Coast".

Likewise opium and cocaine have also been products that have funded many wars and revolutions over the past few hundred years. In fact a common strategy of entities that wish to quickly gain large amounts of money is to sell drugs to their local population. This was done by the British from the 1600s through the 1800s, selling not only to their own citizens, but to all of the people within their empire as well as China. It is estimated that the opium trade was the largest single source of revenue for the British Crown during this time and was one of the major trades that enabled British Imperialism. In addition during WWII the Japanese began heavy opium production and sales, selling both to their own people and to the Chinese. This opium trade raised significant amounts of money to fund the Japanese military.

The reason why the Reagan administration began the War on Drugs was to cut off the money supply to revolutionary groups in South America, the Middle East, and Asia that were using drug money to fund wars for national independence from foreign intervention. By taking control of the international drug trade the CIA was able to use the drug trade to promote its own causes.

CIA admits it overlooked Contras' links to drugs:
http://www.cnn.com/US/9811/03/cia.drugs/

This was after years of denying it of course and years of CNN headniles saying otherwise. If you search CNN they only have this one article on the truth of the drug connection, and dozens of earlier ones about it not being true.

Selections from the Senate Committee Report on Drugs, Law Enforcement and Foreign Policy chaired by Senator John F. Kerry
http://www.whatreallyhappened.com/RANCHO/POLITICS/ARCHIVE/KERRY.html

Testimony of Rep. Maxine Waters
Before the House Permanent Select Committee on Intelligence
On the CIA OIG Report of Investigation
"Allegations of Connections Between CIA and Contras in Cocaine Trafficking
to the US" "Volume I: The California Story"
March 16, 1998

http://www.house.gov/waters/31698pr.htm

The CIA Agents Who Moved the Coke
http://rwor.org/a/firstvol/885/cia3.htm

CIA Admits Tolerating Contra-Cocaine Trafficking in 1980s
http://www.thirdworldtraveler.com/CIA/Contra_Cocaine_Trafficking.html

Archive - Contra Crack Series
http://www.consortiumnews.com/archive/crack.html

CRACK AND THE CONTRAS
Gary Webb, San Jose Mercury News

http://www.pbs.org/newshour/forum/october96/crack_contra_11-1.html

National Security Archive Electronic Briefing Book No. 2
The Contras, Cocaine, and Covert Operations

http://www.gwu.edu/~nsarchiv/NSAEBB/NSAEBB2/nsaebb2.htm

CIA, Contras and Cocaine
http://www.webcom.com/~lpease/collections/denied/contracocaine.htm

Anyone care to change their vote? ;)
 
It's one of those things that I wonder, how bad can things get? If it is true, which it appears to be, then why did a blow job get such headlines, and a fraudulent president get the guernsey of 'Greatest American President of the Century'?

All I can think of, in light of the latest fraud perpetrated on the American public in respect of WMD, is that those on the right don't care, and those on the left have given up.

It is a clear indication that Americans should be deeply concerned about the state of democracy in their country. The idea that it is a 'constitutionally limited republic' appears to have had no bearing whatsoever on defending the country from abuse.
 
LOL. So the CIA failed to cathc or investigate Contras were involved with cocain. Hardly a CIA cocain connection. More like an oversight or fumble. These exagerations are becoming more and more interesting with you Malochi.

Also not proof at all that the CIA uses the money to fund anti-left wing movements. Like a typical conspiracy theory proponent you take something with grain of truth and blow it out ot proportion.

i.e. there was a crash in Roswell= government is covering up alien abductions.
 
a_unique_person said:
It's one of those things that I wonder, how bad can things get? If it is true, which it appears to be, then why did a blow job get such headlines, and a fraudulent president get the guernsey of 'Greatest American President of the Century'?

All I can think of, in light of the latest fraud perpetrated on the American public in respect of WMD, is that those on the right don't care, and those on the left have given up.

It is a clear indication that Americans should be deeply concerned about the state of democracy in their country. The idea that it is a 'constitutionally limited republic' appears to have had no bearing whatsoever on defending the country from abuse.

Not only that, but:

In a sense, those attacks continue to this day, with reporter Gary Webb excoriated for alleged overstatements in the Mercury News stories. As a result of those attacks, Webb was forced to resign from the Mercury News and leave daily journalism. No member of the Reagan administration has received any punishment or even public rebuke for concealing evidence of contra-cocaine trafficking. [For details on the CIA's internal report, see Robert Parry's Lost History.]

So, the guy that helped make this a public issue and bring it to light, has been fired and his reputation destroyed. The reason is that he overstated the information, especially in teh crack-CIA connection.

First of all, the guy was just a reporter so its not like he had full access to every detail in the 1980s when he wrote on the issue and the CIA was still fully denying everything, but more importantly, there is always a case to be made for overstatement just to get attention. Did the guy really do a disservice by overstating? No way, he did a service by making the cry loud enough to be heard. Had he not gone out on a limb and made the crack connection allegations maybe nothing would have come of all this. Obviously there was a serious effort to simply ignore the issue and let it blow over, this guy yelling and screaming is one of the main people that brought an honest resolution to all this. Then, he get's persecuted for things he wrote when the CIA was still ltotally denying any involvement, and for the most part the issue has faded from public notice.
 
Malachi, what is the point you are trying to make? So what, the CIA (allegedly) sold cocaine. Do you have a moral objection?
 
CIA involvement in drugs is the greatest urban legend ever. Go to CIA's website. I remember reading an article they posted about it, sanctioned by Congress. CIA was never involved in narco-trafficking.

How this urban legend got started in reality is from inner city NAACP folks who claimed the government was allowing huge flows of drugs into inner city neighborhoods. It is a conspiracy theory of the same proportions as the moon hoax conspiracy theory.

I think it all boils down to CIA's covert existence. All that cloak and dagger stuff. When people aren't informed about what really goes on in government agencies like that, it becomes conspiracy theory central.

The same can be said about Area 51 holding aliens lol. Well, that could be possible. :D

JK
 
DialecticMaterialist said:
LOL. So the CIA failed to cathc or investigate Contras were involved with cocain. Hardly a CIA cocain connection. More like an oversight or fumble. These exagerations are becoming more and more interesting with you Malochi.

Also not proof at all that the CIA uses the money to fund anti-left wing movements. Like a typical conspiracy theory proponent you take something with grain of truth and blow it out ot proportion.

i.e. there was a crash in Roswell= government is covering up alien abductions.

LOL, ever the apologist. Its amazing to me how so many people, when exposed to information that they were previously unaware of and would have thought could never be true, immediately attempt to justify it.

Of course people voted that it was just a crazy conspiracy theory, but oh wait, its not, there is truth to it, well, no matter, its really not important then. LOL, give me a break.

Actually the biggest issue here is the lack of public knowledge of this despite it having been proven to be true.

The facts are that:

Public funds were given to people known to be or have been drug traffickers.

Known drug trafficking was overlooked and not prevented.

The infrastructure for trafficking was supplied by the US government, the US paid for the transporation and paid companies that were involved.

The CIA and members of the Reagan administration intentionally witheld information from the DEA so that action would not be taken.

You call that insignificant?

At the same time money was being allocated to counter drug programs. Those programs were used to attack drug production and traffickers in other countries. The issue with counter-drug is that counter-drug is just an excuse to get funds to military programs that have a poltical agenda. Under the guise of counter drug select revolutionary groups are targted.

They were selectively allowing some drug trade to take place if it was "for the good guys", and taking action when it was against the "bad guys". Of course the real problem with the Contras was that they were the bad guys. They had very little domestic support, they had hardly any domestic funding except for drug money, the majority of the people in their countries were against them. They were being used by the US to try and overthrow popularly supported Socialist governments. In the fascist CIA's reasoning it was okay to allow "their guys" to sell drugs in teh US if it helped support thier military goals of the overthrow of the Socialsit governments. So tell me again, who are the good guys here?

Its not a case of not bieng aware, that is the point, htey were aware and the facilitated becuase they supplied the transporation, knowing that it was bieng used for such.

Actually I saw a special on this issue on the Discocvery Channel and they were interviewing a guy from the Carter administration that said that under Carter this would have been impossible because despite the requests from the CIA to get involved in South America the Carter administrton did not approve funds for such action. Reagan came in and approved the programs.

The State Department selected four companies owned and operated by narcotics traffickers to supply humanitarian assistance to the Contras. The companies were:--SETCO Air, a company established by Honduran drug trafficker Ramon Matta Ballesteros;

In each case, prior to the time that the State Department entered into contracts with the company, federal law enforcement had received information that the individuals controlling these companies were involved in narcotics.

Lotz said that Contra operations on the Southern Front were in fact funded by drug operations. He testified that weapons for the Contras came from Panama on small planes carrying mixed loads which included drugs. The pilots unloaded the weapons, refueled, and headed north toward the U.S. with drugs.[26] The pilots included Americans, Panamanians, and Colombians, and occasionally, uniformed members of the Panamanian Defense Forces.[27] Drugpilots soon began to use the Contra airstrips to refuel even when there were no weapons to unload. They knew that the authorities would not check the airstrips because the war was "protected".[28]

Payments to drug traffickers by the U.S. State Department of funds authorized by the Congress for humanitarian assistance to the Contras, in some cases after the traffickers had been indicted by federal law enforcement agencies on drug charges, in others while traffickers were under active investigation by these same agencies.

The report details cases where the CIA dissuaded other federal agencies, notably the Drug Enforcement Administration (DEA), from probing the activities of Contra groups and their contractors. In one instance, the CIA discouraged the DEA from examining Oliver North's efforts to evade legal restrictions on Contra aid through a secret supply operation in El Salvador, according to the report.

And that's just a few selected bits of info from offical reports.

I find this to be a good analysis:

http://www.thirdworldtraveler.com/CIA/Contra_Cocaine_Trafficking.html

In other words, the internal government investigations found that CIA officers in Central America were informing CIA headquarters at Langley, Va., about the contra-drug problem, but the evidence went no farther. It was kept from law enforcement agencies, from Congress and from the American public. Beyond withholding the evidence, the Reagan administration mounted public relations attacks on members of Congress, journalists and witnesses who were exposing the crimes in the 1980s.
 
the CIA was in fact an accomplice to the largest narcotics smuggling ring in the United States.

Is there a source other then Webb who can confirm that "tons of cocaine" was involved? Also, do you have evidence that no other smuggling ring was larger?
I am not trying to downplay the nefariousness of this criminal activity nor the CIA's involvement (by the legal definition of conspiracy, they are criminally accountable). I'm only questioning the phrase "largest."

I didn't vote because I didn't think the options were clear enough. I believe some people in the CIA were aware of the activity, but I am unsure if the knowledge went all the way to the top.
 
Its amazing to me how so many people, when exposed to information that they were previously unaware of and would have thought could never be true, immediately attempt to justify it.

Your allegations still aren't true. Just confused.


Public funds were given to people known to be or have been drug traffickers.

Known drug trafficking was overlooked and not prevented.

Overlooking drug trafficking is not drug trafficking itself. The US likewise gave funds to the Soviet Union during world war 2, that doesn't mean the US supported Stalinism.

The infrastructure for trafficking was supplied by the US government, the US paid for the transporation and paid companies that were involved.

The CIA and members of the Reagan administration intentionally witheld information from the DEA so that action would not be taken.

You call that insignificant?

No, I call it pigheaded and misguided but not drug trafficking.

The issue with counter-drug is that counter-drug is just an excuse to get funds to military programs that have a poltical agenda. Under the guise of counter drug select revolutionary groups are targted.

What a leap....

Ok what you have so far is the fact that the CIA overlooked some drug traficking for tactical reasons. Fine, that was silly. In fact I think the whole Contra operation was fubar.

But then you go to unwarranted leaps now, saying that anti-drug programs really finance anti-left wing operations , stop Marxist movements and that the CIA was actually drug trafficking for profit.

That to me is exagerating the events.

Also your sources are always a mix of credible and extremely dubious. For example, the latest one "Third World Travelor" and before "World Workers Web", both known anti-american, or socialist movements. I mean that's like quoting the CATO institute on the enviroment, welfare programs or the FDA.
 
Malachi151 said:
How deep were they invovled? Furthermore to what degree, if any did policy changes by the Reagan administration facilitate the "alleged" cooperation cooperation between the CIA and Contras in the sale of cocaine and crack to Americans? And, why doesn't the public know more about all this and where are the people today that were involved?

It sounds to me as if you have discovered that the CIA not be an organization that is run by the highly intelligent, highly skilled, and highly moral individuals that are often shown in movies.

While this discovery may be shocking to you, it is hardly new information.

To put it simply, the actual CIA Case Officers who work for the CIA are real professionals who would almost never do anything illegal themselves. In all fairness, there have been very few of them who have gotten involved with embezzling (even though they are sometimes responsible for millions of dollars), turned into double-agents (in spite of the fast money they could earn), taken bribes (in units of money, women, etc. even though they could demand large sums, and probably get it since they know just valuable the data actually is), and so on. However, in order to quickly and quietly do the job that is being asked of them (gathering very sensitive information, secretly supplying large quantities of materials, organizing coups, broadcasting propaganda, covertly supporting armies, etc.) they sometimes have to deal with individuals who are unsavory but have the data, connections, and other tools that are needed to get the job done.

So while the actual Case Officers themselves may be beyond approach, the same cannot be said for many of their contacts.

- When Noriega of Panama was on the CIA payroll, the CIA knew he was involved in narcotics trafficking, but the US, and thus the CIA, looked the other way because he helping with other things.
- When the US helped Iraq in its war with Iran in the 1980's, the CIA knew about many of Saddam's purges and human rights abuses, but he was an enemy of a US enemy, so the US, and thus the CIA, looked the other way.
- When the US was helping the Afghans fight the USSR in the 1980's, the CIA knew that they were selling raising and selling opium in order to finance their war. But the US, and thus the CIA, looked the other way because they were fighting an enemy of the US.
- When the US was secretly helping Vietnamese tribesmen fight the NVA in the 1960's, the CIA knew that the number one cash crop of these people was marijuana, but the US, and thus the CIA, looked the other way because they were fighting an enemy of the US.
- One could go on and on, but I think the point has been made.

I hope this helps!
 
Re: Re: The CIA and Cocaine...

I voted, "knew about it, but looked the other way". In fact, this is basically what the executive summary of the CIA report says. When I read the original article, this was also the impression I got.

The interesting part is that the summary also states that, at the time, the CIA was not required to do anything about the knowledge.

Which is worse, turning a blind eye, or having a regulation that allows you?

Crossbow said:

(snip)

So while the actual Case Officers themselves may be beyond approach, the same cannot be said for many of their contacts.

- When Noriega of Panama was on the CIA payroll, the CIA knew he was involved in narcotics trafficking, but the US, and thus the CIA, looked the other way because he helping with other things.
- When the US helped Iraq in its war with Iran in the 1980's, the CIA knew about many of Saddam's purges and human rights abuses, but he was an enemy of a US enemy, so the US, and thus the CIA, looked the other way.
- When the US was helping the Afghans fight the USSR in the 1980's, the CIA knew that they were selling raising and selling opium in order to finance their war. But the US, and thus the CIA, looked the other way because they were fighting an enemy of the US.
- When the US was secretly helping Vietnamese tribesmen fight the NVA in the 1960's, the CIA knew that the number one cash crop of these people was marijuana, but the US, and thus the CIA, looked the other way because they were fighting an enemy of the US.
- One could go on and on, but I think the point has been made.

I hope this helps!

I wonder about this list: How much did "helping the enemy of our enemy" benfit us? I don't see a lot of value in the CIA's policy. Admittedly, hindsight is 20/20.
 
CIA was actually drug trafficking for profit.

I never said the CIA wsa drug trafficking for profit. I said the CIA was allowing the Contras to drug traffic for profit, and supporting their drug trafficking abilities. The fact is that the Contras used funds given to them by the US government to support their drug trafficking, and government officials were aware fo that. The Contras used air bases supplied to them by the US to traffic drugs, and members of the government were aware of that. The Contras were responsible for a large influx of cocaine into the west coast area, but despite knowledge of that the CIA didn't nothing to stop it and prevented others from stopping it.

The reason all that was done was because the money from the drug sales was supporting the Contra effort. The CIA never received any of that money, btu it did help to support their agenda.

And yes, the War on Drugs is about putting down Marxist groups and groups fighitng ot expel foreign businessmen around he world. Those group use drugs to raise money because its a easiest way to raise money, so in order to cut off the money supply to those groups the US is attacking the drug trade, and has been for 20 years.

Here we go:

http://www.pbs.org/wgbh/pages/frontline/shows/drugs/special/cia.html

Since its creation in 1947 under President Harry Truman, the CIA has been credited with a number of far-fetched operations. While some were proven - the infamous LSD mind-control experiments of the 1950s.
;)

The War on Communism

When the Marxist Sandinistas overthrew the government of longtime dictator Anastasio Somoza in 1979, U.S. approval soured when it became clear that the new regime saw itself as a satellite of Cuba, if not the Soviet Union. When Ronald Reagan became president soon after, he quietly began sending aid to those fighting the Marxist government. They were known as the Nicaraguan Resistance, or more simply, the Contras.

As with Burma, Laos and Afghanistan before it -- where the U.S. had helped fight wars -- Nicaragua had a narcotics trade--a fact which was brought to the CIA's attention while the Contra effort was barely off the ground. In 1981 members of the Nicaraguan Revolutionary Democratic Alliance (ADREN) were working alongside CIA officers to overthrow the new Sandinista government.. As noted in the Hitz report, a cable to CIA headquarters stated that ADREN leadership had decided to "engage in drug smuggling to the United States in order to finance its anti-Sandinista operations." The cable stated that an "initial trial run" had taken place in July 1981, when drugs were transported via plane to Miami.

In what would prove common during the Contra war, the CIA never followed up on the allegations, or bothered to verify whether the "initial run" had taken place, according to the Hitz report. ADREN disbanded in 1982. But some members joined the Nicaraguan Democratic Force (FDN), which worked with the CIA.

In another instance, the CIA received allegations that five members of the Democratic Revolutionary Alliance (ADREN) -- those fighting along the border of Nicaragua and Costa Rica - were involved in drug trafficking. The five were allegedly working with known drug trafficker Jorge Morales.

Although the CIA broke off contact with the ARDE in 1984, it continued to have contact with four of the five members who associated with Sr. Morales until 1987.

"In the context of this struggle between the Contras and the Sandinistas, there were accusations flying left and right, some of which were probably meritorious, and a good many of which were part of the battle they were involved in," Hitz said. The question for the CIA officer in the field was, how do you deal with those accusations?

"And what they did was, for the most part, attempt to track them down," Hitz said. "But on several cases, no action appears to have been taken. And that's the part that we find in our report."

Around the same time--the early 1980s--a letter between Attorney General Smith and CIA Director Casey was made official, creating what some considered a convenient loophole for the CIA
 
I sure wouldnt put it past the CIA. Our own government couldve easily taken out the Afganistan poppy fields when we bombed out the taliban. They chose not too cause they wanted to play nice with the Afgan warlords. Well now they have a bummper crop! I guess war on drugs and war on terror are unable to co-inside.

Intsead we get commericals about pot funding terrorists.
 
Of course the bigger issue is why teh US was supporting the Contras in the first place.

The Sandinistas were good for Nicoragua, the worste part about Sandinista rule the fighting with the Contras.

The US supports corrupt dictators all over the world, this is just one more case.

This is a very fair accessment of the situaiton:

http://www.jorian.com/san.html

The junta did, though, set out to educate their people in a way the Somoza regime had never attempted. The National Literacy Campaign of 1980 affected one in every two Nicaraguans . The literacy rate rose from 45% to 86% in one of the largest literacy campaigns ever, and the Sandinista government drew international acclaim. In September, 1980, the Minister of National Education, Carlos Tunnermann received the UNESCO Prize. Critics accused the Sandinistas of educating their people with propaganda and attempting to win over the rural proletariat in this way. This was undeniably true in part, but the outcome of this mass campaign was indeed positive.

American call teaching Marxism propiganda, so of course they called it propiganda. Look at who was educating though. socialism depends on people being educated and informed and knowing how to read.

Here is another:

http://www.workmall.com/wfb2001/nicaragua/nicaragua_history_the_sandinista_years_1979_90.html

The new government inherited a country in ruins, with a stagnant economy and a debt of about US$1.6 billion. An estimated 50,000 Nicaraguans were dead, 120,000 were exiles in neighboring countries, and 600,000 were homeless. Food and fuel supplies were exhausted, and international relief organizations were trying to deal with disease caused by lack of health supplies. Yet the attitude of the vast majority of Nicaraguans toward the revolution was decidedly hopeful. Most Nicaraguans saw the Sandinista victory as an opportunity to create a system free of the political, social, and economic inequalities of the almost universally hated Somoza regime.

This is who the Reagan administration was fighting to support and put backin power, an almost universally hated regime.

The second goal of the Sandinistas was a change in the old government's pattern of repression and brutality toward the general populace. Many of the Sandinista leaders were victims of torture themselves, and the new minister of interior, Tomás Borge Martínez, tried to keep human rights violations low. Most prisoners accused of injustices under the Somoza regime were given a trial, and the Ministry of Interior forbade cruelty to prisoners. In their first two years in power, Amnesty International and other human rights groups found the human rights situation in Nicaragua greatly improved.

Gee, yeah good thing we suported the drug running Contras to get those horrble guys out.
 
Has anyone ever read the Bob Woodward book about Bill Casey (the CIA Director under Regan)?

The pivotal moment was when Regan said at a meeting that he wanted to "win one back" meaning that he wanted to reverse a Communist Revolution. Anyway, for some reason Argentina was involved with the Contras at first and the CIA knew about this connection, but did nothing more than monitor it. And when Argentina got too bogged down with the Falklands War to follow-up on this operation, the CIA essentially jumped up and said, "Lookie here Mr President! There is already a network in place, we just have to take it over."

Regan quickly agreed.
 
Subverting the constitution was the greatest sin of R. Reagan, it is not okay, it was not pkay, it will not be okay.

Casey admitted he would lie to get the job done, why would we trust the CIA?

The cocaine thing is that we did turn a blind eye to the evil that our 'friends' did. There are better ways to gather intelligence and thank goodness there are operatives who do the right thing. there are better ways, and more reliable. We can get information from high level members of the corporate structures and we don't have to use the mafia in every country we go to.

It was Hitler who said "the ends justify the means" so lets support cleaning up the means.

The operatives are very cool people, the work is really tedious and boring and then gets real dangerous real fast. The culture at the top has subverted the work of the operatives.
 
Dancing David said:
Subverting the constitution was the greatest sin of R. Reagan, it is not okay, it was not pkay, it will not be okay.

Casey admitted he would lie to get the job done, why would we trust the CIA?

The cocaine thing is that we did turn a blind eye to the evil that our 'friends' did. There are better ways to gather intelligence and thank goodness there are operatives who do the right thing. there are better ways, and more reliable. We can get information from high level members of the corporate structures and we don't have to use the mafia in every country we go to.

It was Hitler who said "the ends justify the means" so lets support cleaning up the means.

The operatives are very cool people, the work is really tedious and boring and then gets real dangerous real fast. The culture at the top has subverted the work of the operatives.

This thread is hilarious. I don't want to hear any of you ever ridicule me again for my ruins on Mars speeches lol.

Listen to what you guys are saying. You mean to tell me that with all the thousands of tons, hundreds of thousands of tons even, of drugs being carried, flown, sailed, tunneled, trucked and trained into the United States and no one has ever mentioned CIA involvement in it, that we are now to believe that the CIA is running the show? That is the truth too. Not a single incident involving the CIA in narcotics has ever been brought up--not by a single shady character or drug cartel....ever. Why? Because the CIA was never involved in that crap.

Think about it. You guys are making the CIA folks look like omnipotent Gods. Not one single person, beside conspiracy theorists, has ever come forward with any evidence that the CIA was ever involved in narcotics trafficking into the United States.

Then the debate devolves into chatter which says the CIA "assisted the Contras" in drug activity. That is another laughable lie.

You think the handful of CIA folks south of the border could have any impact on narcotic activity involving the United States? You have got to be kidding me.

You all should start your own psychic television network lol. Better yet, write movies for Hollywood.

JK
 

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