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The case against Dr. Paul

Here is an in context quote without the use of semantics to make a point.

I will let your post stand for itself. You have zero understanding of the term deflation.

I know practically nothing about economics, but I think Jerome might have you on this one volatile. Are you sure you aren't talking about currency devaluation?

Like I said...clueless about economics I am. Can someone clear this up?
 
I know practically nothing about economics, but I think Jerome might have you on this one volatile. Are you sure you aren't talking about currency devaluation?

Like I said...clueless about economics I am. Can someone clear this up?

As I actually said later on in that thread, I was indeed talking about deflation and devaluation at the same time, in error. I admitted my mistake then, and I'll happily admit it now. How it's relevant to Jerome's buffoonery, I have no idea.

Just to clarify - a scarcity of hard currency reserves under a gold standard, the subject of that part of that thread, causes deflation followed by devaluation to keep up through its very nature. I was wrong, but only in not elaborating on my point clearly enough. That's a matter for that thread, though, and has no bearing on this one.

Note that JdG has to poison the well rather than actually address the points made or concede his error. Par for the course, really.

ETA: To fully clarify - in a gold-backed economy, as gold becomes scarcer, the purchasing power of your dollar increases in line with simple supply and demand economics. This is deflation, which whilst it increases the purchasing power of cash, decreases the value of illiquid assets such as property and discourages capital investment. As gold becomes scarcer still, and the government needs more cash to cope with, say, a growing population, it devalues the currency, meaning that everyone's holdings reduce in value. Both of these things are Bad Things.
 
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As I actually said later on in that thread, I was indeed talking about deflation and devaluation at the same time, in error. I admitted my mistake then, and I'll happily admit it now. How it's relevant to Jerome's buffoonery, I have no idea.

Just to clarify - a scarcity of hard currency reserves under a gold standard, the subject of that part of that thread, causes deflation followed by devaluation to keep up through its very nature. I was wrong, but only in not elaborating on my point clearly enough. That's a matter for that thread, though, and has no bearing on this one.

Note that JdG has to poison the well rather than actually address the points made or concede his error. Par for the course, really.

Ah, I see. Here is where you clarified your error:
http://www.internationalskeptics.com/forums/showthread.php?postid=3391035#post3391035

I missed it in the weeds of this thread.

So, you made an honest error, admitted it and clarified your point, yet Jerome is still trying to score points with your original post instead of admitting his own errors. Nice.
 
Ah, I see. Here is where you clarified your error:
http://www.internationalskeptics.com/forums/showthread.php?postid=3391035#post3391035

I missed it in the weeds of this thread.

So, you made an honest error, admitted it and clarified your point, yet Jerome is still trying to score points with your original post instead of admitting his own errors. Nice.

No I was trying to have a conversation.

He is trying to attack a straw-man because he does not what to converse.
 
They are circulated digitally as well. I do not know for certain, but I believe that the vast majority of transactions are done electronically today.

This is the post which initiated the out of context quote that is being presented as a straw-man. Please read the conversation to understand the context.

It is apparent from this post that I was attempting to tell the others that money was not just paper currency.

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It is apparent from this post that I was attempting to tell the others that money was not just paper currency.
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Thank you for that. That was a smile. :)
OK, now I have an honest question. If we go back to a gold standard, and gold is a global commodity, wouldn't our economy be adversely affected by metals traders?

For instance, the price of copper has gone up outrageously in the past couple of years. Pretend that we are on a copper standard... what would a price swing of 150% for the basis of our money within the space of 2 years do to our economy?
 
OK, now I have an honest question. If we go back to a gold standard, and gold is a global commodity, wouldn't our economy be adversely affected by metals traders?

For instance, the price of copper has gone up outrageously in the past couple of years. Pretend that we are on a copper standard... what would a price swing of 150% for the basis of our money within the space of 2 years do to our economy?

I am not against a fiat currency. A fiat currency which fluctuates up and down with the wealth in an economy if a reasonable solution. The colonist had such a money system and the economy was wonderful. The problem occurred when King George demanded that the colonies use Bank of England currency. The real reason behind the American Revolution.
 
I am not against a fiat currency. A fiat currency which fluctuates up and down with the wealth in an economy if a reasonable solution.
You have lost me, sorry. I tried reading the Wiki article on fiat currency and got even more lost.
The colonist had such a money system and the economy was wonderful. The problem occurred when King George demanded that the colonies use Bank of England currency. The real reason behind the American Revolution.
Has this not already been disputed and pretty much debunked on this forum? I think maybe even a few pages ago in this very thread. (No, Benjamin Franklin did not say so in his autobiography, the quote about "gladly borne the little tax on tea" is apocryphal)
 
I am not against a fiat currency. A fiat currency which fluctuates up and down with the wealth in an economy if a reasonable solution. The colonist had such a money system and the economy was wonderful. The problem occurred when King George demanded that the colonies use Bank of England currency. The real reason behind the American Revolution.

I'm sorry, who was your American History teacher?
 
I'm sorry, who was your American History teacher?

It doesn't matter. His personality is geared to resist all new information if absorbing it means losing face by admitting his previous information was inadequate.

He has built up a bristling, inpregnable defense against learning. It is my belief that no teacher could ever overcome it.
 
You have lost me, sorry. I tried reading the Wiki article on fiat currency and got even more lost. Has this not already been disputed and pretty much debunked on this forum? I think maybe even a few pages ago in this very thread. (No, Benjamin Franklin did not say so in his autobiography, the quote about "gladly borne the little tax on tea" is apocryphal)

Here is a good starting point:Colonial Scrip


Ohh, and the Ben Franklin debunking:

Franklin believed the shutting down of this paper money by Parliament in 1764 was the principal cause of the American Revolution, as did many other prominent Americans. Peter Cooper, founder of Cooper Union College, Vice-President of the New York Board of Currency, US Presidential Candidate in 1876, and one-time colleague of Secretary of the Treasury Albert Gallatin said in his 1883 book Ideas for a Science of Good Government:

After Franklin had explained…to the British Government as the real cause of prosperity, they immediately passed laws, forbidding the payment of taxes in that money. This produced such great inconvenience and misery to the people, that it was the principal cause of the Revolution. A far greater reason for a general uprising, than the Tea and Stamp Act, was the taking away of the paper money.
 
It doesn't matter. His personality is geared to resist all new information if absorbing it means losing face by admitting his previous information was inadequate.

He has built up a bristling, inpregnable defense against learning. It is my belief that no teacher could ever overcome it.

Tell me David, what do you know of Colonial Script?



Ohh, and try the spell check: inpregnable is spelled impregnable
 
Oh, I forgot to add the "scientific&democratic polling" in the US: :D

 

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