The case against Dr. Paul

ZenFountain said:
Studies show I too have seen this movie before and frankly don't want to watch it again. The Ron Paul campaign is over.
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And you're deadly wrong about that. I didn't suspect any chance
for him in an US-race, but he did better than I suspected despite
the "Fair&Balanced" Media you trust in. But for me it doesn't even
matter if he wins or not, the word is out and there is no way to
reverse that unless the final president is able to actually lead
America towards a bright future.
 
Pope Guilty said:
Ron Paul wants to define life as starting at conception, build a fence along the US-Mexico border, prevent the Supreme Court from hearing Establishment Clause cases or the right to privacy (a bill which he has repeatedly re-introduced), pull out of the UN, disband NATO, end birthright citizenship, deny federal funding to any organisation which "which presents male or female homosexuality as an acceptable alternative life style or which suggest that it can be an acceptable life style", and abolish the Federal Reserve in order to put America back on the gold standard. He was also the sole vote against divesting US federal government investments in corporations doing business with the genocidal government of the Sudan.

Oh, and he believes that the Left is waging a war on religion and Christmas, he's against gay marriage, is against the popular vote, wants the estate tax repealed, is STILL making racist remarks, believes that the Panama Canal should be the property of the United States, and believes in New World Order conspiracy theories, not to mention his belief that the International Baccalaureate program is UN mind control.

That about cover it?
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From the SA forums. A pretty good case. By the way, voting against civil rights does make you a racist. And not believing gays should have the same benefits is homophobic. The bastard is as much a collectivist as anyone else.
 
Drudgewire said:
Hey great, so you support the mass murder of a sizeable percentage of the country simply because they have different ideals than you?

I'm sorry, where does that fall into the definition of a "free society?" Oh right, it doesn't. But thanks for helping validate my opiinions about RP supporters.
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If those Nut's are supporting a president who is willing to kill
innocent people for a non-threat, hell yeah, they deserve the
same fate as well in their religious "rightdoers"-paranoia.

Same rights for all. That's my philosophy since I actually believe
that I'm ab evildoer for myself from time to time instead blaming
other people/religions instead to please "my God".

And if you think the Bible-Belt is an insignificant factor in the
elections, think again.

But I see:

"100,000 innocent Japanese rats in Nagasaki and Hiroshima was gooooooooooood,
3,000 honest Americans in New York was baaaaaaaaaaaaad".

I see your stance, no reason to explain it to me.
 
rtalman said:
Oliver said:
I did indeed read about where the allegations came from - and that
was a newsletter called "Ron Paul Political Report". I don't see how
Rockwell's words portray Paul's stance in any way.

Point it out. In his own words - for the sake of critical thinking, please.
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So, you then believe that bills authored by Ron Paul are not "his own words"?:confused:
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Oliver?
 
Oliver said:
But all the people are
able to show are News-letters not even written by Ron Paul.
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Then why does this letter which states this...:
Ron Paul said:
I've been told not to talk, but these stooges don't scare me. Threats or no threats, I've laid bare the coming race war in our big cities. The federal-homosexual cover-up on AIDS (my training as a physician helps me see through this one.) The Bohemian Grove--perverted, pagan playground of the powerful. Skull & Bones: the demonic fraternity that includes George Bush and leftist Senator John Kerry, Congress's Mr. New Money. The Israeli lobby, which plays Congress like a cheap harmonica.
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...end with "Sincerely, Ron Paul"?

Your hero of democracy, the Constitution and "we, the people" Oliver. :rolleyes:
 
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American elections are about Hair-Cut's and the race&female card...
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God, Oliver,you really do not understand that your withering contempt for all Americans...except for Ron Paul and his few supporters...sort of makes people not take you seriously when you comment on American Politics (of which you know very,very,little).
 
...You did not just compare The Manhattan Project to 9/11...seriously? Oh man.

By the way, in regards to the Bible belt and elections...the southern states have WAY less delegates then the rest of the country. They don't carry as much weight as you'd expect. TX is the only delegate heavy evangelical state, and money means much more to these people.
 
Oliver said:
I'm wondering about that as well. Paul's voting record should
show his supposed racism in some way. But all the people are
able to show are News-letters not even written by Ron Paul.

Personally I don't believe it until I hear it from his own mouth.
Everything else has nothing to do with skepticism or critical
thinking.
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In case you missed it:

...The race-baiting newsletter passages do not sound like anything else Paul has said or written in his public life. People who were familiar with the newsletters' production confirm that they were largely ghostwritten and that Paul often did not review them prior to publication.

Yet the fact remains that Paul earned money and built his fund-raising list with newsletters that seemed to be aimed at bigots. Given his association with "paleolibertarians" such as Lew Rockwell who sought to construct an anti-statist coalition partly by appealing to racial resentments, he owes his supporters more than accepting "moral responsibility" for inadequately overseeing the newsletters to which he lent his name.
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Of course, you did miss it though since you have consistently cast a blind at the people Paul has chosen to affiliate with over the years. The Mises Institute (Lew Rockewell), John Birch Society, Alex Jones and Gary North to name a few. Please review Gary North and then tell me that the employment of him alone should not disqualify Paul as a serious candidate. Paul's a naive kook who has a history of associating with conspiracy theorist, neo-confederates, survivalist and the "wrong end" of the southern states' right crowd. 'Nuff said. It would be very difficult for a non-American to understand these movements.
 
I've been told not to talk, but these stooges don't scare me. Threats or no threats, I've laid bare the coming race war in our big cities. The federal-homosexual cover-up on AIDS (my training as a physician helps me see through this one.) The Bohemian Grove--perverted, pagan playground of the powerful. Skull & Bones: the demonic fraternity that includes George Bush and leftist Senator John Kerry, Congress's Mr. New Money. The Israeli lobby, which plays Congress like a cheap harmonica.
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God,that whole letter sounds as if it was written by somebody who was about a minute away from going to a rooftop and becoming the next Mad Sniper.
And if Paul wrote it or not is kind of irrevelent: It went out under Paul's name and one has to assume he agrees with everything in it.
Oliver's total lack of logic and understand staggers the imigination.
 
Oliver said:
If those Nut's are supporting a president who is willing to kill
innocent people for a non-threat, hell yeah, they deserve the
same fate as well in their religious "rightdoers"-paranoia.

Same rights for all. That's my philosophy since I actually believe
that I'm ab evildoer for myself from time to time instead blaming
other people/religions instead to please "my God".

And if you think the Bible-Belt is an insignificant factor in the
elections, think again.

But I see:

"100,000 innocent Japanese rats in Nagasaki and Hiroshima was gooooooooooood,
3,000 honest Americans in New York was baaaaaaaaaaaaad".

I see your stance, no reason to explain it to me.
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Who said they were an insignificant factor? I said that in a free society they have just as much of a right to vote their heart as anyone else.

And you're talking about the murder of MILLIONS of people who don't follow the Bible Belt mantra simply because they live near people that do.

I see your stance, and I've never seen a more ass-backwards stance of what freedom means.

Upside? You can't vote. Just like the bulk of the diprule10s singing RP's praises, trying to manipulate online polls, and interrupting events they have no business being at in order to make general asses of themselves in the name of a candidate who, in the grand scheme of things, has every bit as much of a chance of becoming president as they do.
 
Undesired Walrus said:
Well how about his outright homophobia Oliver?

http://thomas.loc.gov/cgi-bin/bdquery/z?d096:HR07955:@@@L&summ2=m&
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I don't know how to jump from racism to homosexuality - which
is a no-brainer unless you think that colored people are automatically
gay, but the reason Paul didn't endorse it was:

"Prohibits the expenditure of Federal funds".

Paul's point is that no one should be preferred nor excluded. A federal
fund is against his stance of personal responsibility and pretty much
conform with his harsh but realistic view of equality.

Or do you think that sponsoring funds for a group of people is in any
way opposing Paul's view???

And where does racism come to play here? In your dreams?
 
Guliani was the perfect example of a media that doesn't realize people exist outside of New York City and Los Angeles.
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He was actually leading in the polls for a while,but he threw his advantage away in one of the stupidest election strategies we have seen in a long time.
I think he could have been a very viable candidate,but his dumbass "wait for the big state primaries" strategy doomed him.
 
My favorite bit was the one about the new money (the 10- and 20-dollar bills), and about how it was all some kind of government plot and they were going to throw you in jail if you had any of the old bills. I had forgotten that particular bit of lunacy.
 
ZenFountain said:
In case you missed it:

Of course, you did miss it though since you have consistently cast a blind at the people Paul has chosen to affiliate with over the years. The Mises Institute (Lew Rockewell), John Birch Society, Alex Jones and Gary North to name a few. Please review Gary North and then tell me that the employment of him alone should not disqualify Paul as a serious candidate. Paul's a naive kook who has a history of associating with conspiracy theorist, neo-confederates, survivalist and the "wrong end" of the southern states' right crowd. 'Nuff said. It would be very difficult for a non-American to understand these movements.
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You miss my point here. Fact is: An alcoholic, lying, deserting Idiot is
the current American President. That's a sad - but still a fact. If you're
able to point out how Paul is less credible than Bush, then you may have
a point.

Until then, a supposed, alcoholic, lying, twisting, flip-flopping, distorting,
deserting Front-Runner is the actual President.

You think that Paul is worse? ;)
 
Oliver said:
I don't know how to jump from racism to homosexuality - which
is a no-brainer unless you think that colored people
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I didn't know you were as archaic as your hero.

"Prohibits the expenditure of Federal funds".

Paul's point is that no one should be preferred nor excluded. A federal
fund is against his stance of personal responsibility and pretty much
conform with his harsh but realistic view of equality.
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The title is 'Strengthening America's Families'.

Rinse, and repeat.

as an acceptable alternative life style or which suggest that it can be an acceptable life style.
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