The case against Dr. Paul

Absolutely nothing, nothing at all...except, of course, that I'm able to use my brain, all by myself, and form my own opinions. I don't need them spoon fed to me by "experts". What do the words, "Question authority" mean to you?
Let me rebut your point with the following:

You start experiencing heart problems. You seek medical treatment. Which of the following would you rate as likely offering you the best diagnosis of your condition? 1) a dentist; 2) a podiatrist; 3) a cardiologist.

You are boarding an aircraft for the start of your vacation. Which of the following would you prefer to see in the cockpit of said aircraft getting ready to fly it? 1) a plumber; 2) an accountant; 3) a pilot.

You find yourself embroiled in a legal proceeding. Which of the following would likely best represent you during your court case? 1) a chef; 2) a graphic designer; 3) a lawyer.

Expert knowledge is relevant and useful. The time it takes for an expert in a given field to become an expert involves years of training, learning, and experience. And yet you seem content to dismiss it all on the basis that you can figure it all out yourself.
 
Expert knowledge is relevant and useful. The time it takes for an expert in a given field to become an expert involves years of training, learning, and experience. And yet you seem content to dismiss it all on the basis that you can figure it all out yourself.

Did you ever think you'd find yourself in a conversation where you actually have to explain this to a person?
 
Expert knowledge is relevant and useful. The time it takes for an expert in a given field to become an expert involves years of training, learning, and experience. And yet you seem content to dismiss it all on the basis that you can figure it all out yourself.

Good heavens your argument is weak. Ever hear this one? Get 6 economists in a room and you'll get 7 theories of the economy.

Experts? There are no experts in economics. It's all theory.

Didn't I mention we're speaking of economics? Not doctors, lawyers, and whatever other irrelevant experts you mentioned.

And while we're on the subject, you mustn't trust doctors blindly either. Get 2nd opinion, read up on stuff, check up on their diagnosis.

-Dave
 
Did you ever think you'd find yourself in a conversation where you actually have to explain this to a person?

I'm surprised I have to introduce the concept of "Question Authority" to you children...

Oh well...Maybe you'll all grow up someday. Learn not to trust experts so blindly. Sure, get their opinion...but also it's a good idea to become knowledgeable yourself.

I'm constantly shocked at how people love to delegate their thinking to others, and so seem to cherish their ignorance. Life is a survival of the fittest situation. Maybe this sort of attitude won't survive much longer.

-Dave
 
I follow Ted Butler's advice, which is to buy silver and hold it long, long, long. I don't try to ride the short term ups and downs. I've bought a lot with my own money. I've invested in silver in my kids' trust funds (in part). They'll inherit in like 12 years. In that timescale the ups and downs are irrelevant.

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I'm constantly shocked at how people love to delegate their thinking to others, and so seem to cherish their ignorance. Life is a survival of the fittest situation. Maybe this sort of attitude won't survive much longer.

-Dave

Take a deep breath, Dave. :spjimlad:
 
Good heavens your argument is weak. Ever hear this one? Get 6 economists in a room and you'll get 7 theories of the economy.

Experts? There are no experts in economics. It's all theory.
So I guess Warren Buffett made his fortune doing what then?

Absolutely nothing, nothing at all...except, of course, that I'm able to use my brain, all by myself, and form my own opinions. I don't need them spoon fed to me by "experts". What do the words, "Question authority" mean to you?
I forgot to point this out previously, but the mentality depicted in the quote above is one that is often espoused by 9/11 conspiracists.

The self-avowed expert trumps the knowledge of actual experts.
 
I'm surprised I have to introduce the concept of "Question Authority" to you children...

You should do it only with an informed opinion.
Regretfully, you do not appear to have one.

Oh well...Maybe you'll all grow up someday. Learn not to trust experts so blindly. Sure, get their opinion...but also it's a good idea to become knowledgeable yourself.

I'm constantly shocked at how people love to delegate their thinking to others, and so seem to cherish their ignorance. Life is a survival of the fittest situation. Maybe this sort of attitude won't survive much longer.

-Dave

Because... they spend years studying this? Would you want to have to defuse a nuclear bomb or have someone who actually knows how to do it?
 
Questioning Authority is one thing.
Blindly rejecting expert evidence just to follow any stray theory that you happen to buy into is another.
I love his comment about doctors. But then we are dealing with somebody who rejects modern physics in favor of theories some wackjob claims was channeled to him by an Egyptian Sun God.......
 
forgot to point this out previously, but the mentality depicted in the quote above is one that is often espoused by 9/11 conspiracists.

I freely admit this is just a wild guess without evidence but something tells me the individual we are talking about is a beleiver in 9/11 Conspircy theories. I would in fact be surprised if he is not.
 
Hah!

I've been busy + away for a while.

Wow the responses are pretty predictable + lame, lately. Let's see...instead of actually refuting anything, people have tried:

1) "Hmmm. You sound like the 9/11 conspiracy theorists. Those people are idiots. Therefore you must be an idiot!" Laughable style of arguing.
2) Imply that I advocate blindly rejecting expert opinion. Horse***t, I've never suggested blindly rejecting it. I recommend not blindly following it. Big difference. Worth trying to understand.
3) Implication that I blindly follow Ted Butler's advice. Nonsense! I did a great deal of due diligence on Butler's advice. I even spoke to the man himself on the phone. His work just happens to be the most concise collection that matches my own conclusions. There's no problem with some of my conclusions having originated with him.

What is so scary about thinking for yourself? That in order to avoid it and in order to justify blindly following the so-called experts, you jump on any irrelevant point to try to discredit anyone who disagrees with the experts.

Unable to attack the idea, you resort to attacking the messenger.

-Dave
 
What is so scary about thinking for yourself? That in order to avoid it and in order to justify blindly following the so-called experts, you jump on any irrelevant point to try to discredit anyone who disagrees with the experts.
How's gold doing dash? Is it at $40,000/oz yet?
 
How's gold doing dash? Is it at $40,000/oz yet?

Gold -- glad you asked. Dropped down from a peak over $1000 to about $870, where it found support and it's now at $903/ounce, seems to be creeping back up.

Silver's at $17.31, peaked around $21 and fell back, it's creeping up as well.

Canadian dollar was stronger, about .98 CDN for 1 USD, now it's down to about 1.015 to 1 USD, and rising again.

The public seems to have responded to a number of recent actions by the Fed and Paulson -- granting the Fed huge new powers. Scary stuff -- road to socialism and all. Fed is bailing out banks right and left. 93 anonymous banks bid for bailout funds from the Fed, using SIV's and other garbage as collateral. 93! Watch out for bank failures and runs on banks, the reserve requirements have been really reduced. A lot of banks are insolvent.

Fed's actions are designed not to solve anything, but to delay systemic collapse. My personal theory as that the hope is to delay economic collapse until after the 2008 elections. Special interests are afraid of Obama because he might capture the hearts of the public, and receive a voter mandate. In that case he won't be controllable. Powers that be behind the political arena love it when candidates are 50% popular -- ideal is 50% love 'em and 50% hate 'em. Then they need the support of the special interests to stay in office.

If they get too popular, they don't need such support, and they're wildcards -- out of control. Who knows what they might do then? Maybe really change how things work? Fix it so the system can't be gamed so easily? That's what the special interests fear.

I think this situation was a joke that backfired. A sort of Hobson's choice. Ok, you've got the white guy who represents the status quo -- endless trouble in Iraq, probable bombing of Iran -- more of the same old hash. And you've got a woman, first in history there. And you've got a black guy -- another first. What a joke played on the public! And all three are controlled by the same behind-the-scenes special interests.

Clinton & McCain are perfect, they're both loved + hated -- more 50/50. But Obama? He might become another Kennedy. Too well liked. I figure that's why Clinton can't throw in the towel -- her masters demand she keep trying while they assist from behind the scenes.

And on the other side, these people are pressuring the Fed + Poulson to keep the economy together until after the elections -- just in case. If the economy tanks, they lose a McCain victory because everyone will blame Bush/Republicans for the mess. If they can just hold out long enough, McCain can win.

If the economy tanks, the democrat wins. Ok, so that had better be Clinton (according to their thinking) because she'll be controllable, and maybe Obama won't be.

Meanwhile to ensure a Republican victory, Bush really wants to bomb Iran and embroil the US in another disasterous middle east situation -- "Can't change horses in mid stream, can we?" Scary stuff.

Me? I'm voting for Ron Paul, as crazy as that sounds.As far as I'm concerned all three "viable" candidates are identical, puppets under the control of the same anti-American forces. Voting for Ron Paul isn't throwing away my vote, because I don't really care which of the other three win. I'd be trhowing away my vote if I didn't vote for Ron Paul.

Yeah, I'm spouting woo alright. We're watching history unfold before our eyes. Current events are unprecedented, but it's so easy to just turn a blind eye to them. Nevermind, just get back to World Of Warcraft.

-Dave
 
Canadian dollar was stronger, about .98 CDN for 1 USD, now it's down to about 1.015 to 1 USD, and rising again.
Most financial analysts are expecting the Canadian dollar to trade in the $0.98 to $1.03 US range, which is pretty much what it's been doing since coming off the historic high last November.
 
Most financial analysts are expecting the Canadian dollar to trade in the $0.98 to $1.03 US range, which is pretty much what it's been doing since coming off the historic high last November.

We'll have to see, I expect the dollar to fall more though.

I want to share something. I bought the book "The Black Swan" by Taleb, it's a pleasure reading it. This fellow is really down on established academia, does a very good job of poking holes in it. He really criticizes economists, their infatuation with the bell curve when there is no proof, and enormous counter evidence, that the application of the bell curve to real stuff is completely inappropriate. The bell curve can't predict Black Swans -- which are completely unexpected major events that reshape reality.

Now I read this book and get confirmation of my personal distaste for a lot of degreed experts. The author speaks a lot about confirmation bias, which I might be suffering from when I read his own book because it jibes with so much of my own philosophy.

I recommend taking a look at it.

-Dave
 
Ah ,yes, the untutored genius is always superior to somebody who has spents years studying a topic.
 
Did you ever think you'd find yourself in a conversation where you actually have to explain this to a person?
You obviously never had to deal with conspiracy theorists. A surprisingly high number of their claims are based on their systematic mistrust of expertise.

Dash said:
Good heavens your argument is weak. Ever hear this one? Get 6 economists in a room and you'll get 7 theories of the economy.

Experts? There are no experts in economics. It's all theory.
You are dangerously flirting with special pleading. How is economy any different from other sciences? Do you think experts have to always be 100% in accordance with each others, or their expertise is worthless?

And while we're on the subject, you mustn't trust doctors blindly either. Get 2nd opinion, read up on stuff, check up on their diagnosis.
And who are you going to consult for this second opinion? A plumber or another doctor?
 
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Ah ,yes, the untutored genius is always superior to somebody who has spents years studying a topic.

You place too much faith on the state of human knowledge.

There is a joke where the graduating class at a college is going through their graduation ceremony, and the dean runs up and shouts, "Hang on! We just found out half of everything we taught you is wrong. Only we don't know which half!"

Big leaps and bounds in understanding happen when whole branches of existing theory are chopped off. Knowledge is not always a matter of tiny, incremental changes from what has gone before.

Again I recommend reading The Black Swan book. It might change your opinion a bit on the knowledge of experts.

Little by little if you seek knowledge you will come to the conclusion that you yourself are pretty smart, and you can start trusting your own instincts on matters. Or conversely you can bask in your ignorance and ridicule anyone else who even the tiniest bit implies experts are fallable.

-Dave
 
Guys, is there a name for the personality disorder or neurosis that causes a person to declare that all opinions that are not their own are completely invalid, only because they're not their own? Regardless of subject area?

Like if I had a hypothetical subject, who continually asserted that humanity didn't really know all that much about the world, while simultaneously excluding themselves from that assessment?
 
Guys, is there a name for the personality disorder or neurosis that causes a person to declare that all opinions that are not their own are completely invalid, only because they're not their own? Regardless of subject area?

Like if I had a hypothetical subject, who continually asserted that humanity didn't really know all that much about the world, while simultaneously excluding themselves from that assessment?

Cliff Clavenitis.
 

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