The case against Dr. Paul

Tokorona said:
I don't honestly care if it was the word of God. :| I just want him to make it in his own words.
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Okay, let me try to portray it in words instead videos:

Todays News (besides Mr. Spitzer :rolleyes:) :
All those News today actually proof once again what Dr. Ron "Nut" is nationally saying since he's in the presidential Race.

What I don't understand is that despite Dr. Pauls rational assumptions about the economy (for years), the Polls never confirmed what the Mainstream Media is blabbering about since some months now: "Teh Economy" is "teh voters" biggest concern. Ha ha: Sure it is! :D

Which leads me to 3 questions:

A: If the Economy is a concern for Americans, how in the world is it possible that "McWar" and the "Healthcarer" are still running? :confused:

B: Why isn't there a much broader discussion about the costs of War and Universal Healthcare in light of the financial situation?

C: Why isn't the Media actually asking the Candidates for detailed solutions regarding the upcoming economical challenges - despite the fact that they don't have solutions and don't want to talk about it specifically anyway? (I know, what could be more important than the race issue and Spitzer? :rolleyes:)

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So I guess I found the answer in Bill Maher's latest "New Rules". The irrationality of American elections and politics in general is indeed based on the fact that people literally live in a woo-world.

This might be a sad conclusion, but it surely explains the whole situation. Which -by the way- isn't an insult, it's just the best and most plausible explanation I heard so far. But of course I'm willing to listen to a better one ... if there is one.
 
Well,I see that Oliver has moved from disliking American foreign Policy to disliking Americans in general.
I can't say I am surprised.
And Oliver, what part of Paul's economic policy would you like to see Germany adapt?
We are still waiting.
Oliver just be honest and admit you don't give a damn about Paul economic policies: The only reason you support him is you like his policy of a total US withdrawal from the world.
You ain't fooling nobody.
And in case you have not heard,Paul is no longer in the Presendential race.
Of course you have no real knowledge of American Domestic Issues,just what you pick from Ron Paul sites.
 
Oliver said:
This might be a sad conclusion, but it surely explains the whole situation. Which -by the way- isn't an insult, it's just the best and most plausible explanation I heard so far. But of course I'm willing to listen to a better one ... if there is one.
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That's the conclusion you have had from day one, since the very first post you have made here two years ago. :rolleyes:
 
I think someone shoud point out to Oliver, that his Great Idol Paul is a Fundamentalist Christian,which means is a advocate of Woo,which Oliver blames for America's problems.
And BIll Maher,though at times funny, has never struck me as a particularly astute critic of America.
 
Pardalis said:
How's Germany doing?
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Quite frankly - I have no Idea, besides a lot of fuss about a women called Ypsilanti. I probably should read more local news - if there is some meaning to it. :o

dudalb said:
Well,I see that Oliver has moved from disliking American foreign Policy to disliking Americans in general.
I can't say I am surprised.
And Oliver, what part of Paul's economic policy would you like to see Germany adapt?
We are still waiting.
Oliver just be honest and admit you don't give a damn about Paul economic policies: The only reason you support him is you like his policy of a total US withdrawal from the world.
You ain't fooling nobody.
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I didn't know that there are some major economic issues over here - other than the usual burden of (and as a result of) a Welfare state in combination with a slowed growth and the consequences to the employment market.

So I guess there isn't much that Paul could do over here - could he?

Anyway - the American people are pretty comparable to all other western people. But the way they choose their President worries we - especially the tertiary arguments many hold as a result of a Media that doesn't show much responsibillity for the future of the country by adressing the important issues while dropping all the BS-News concerning all the Spitzer's and Geraldine's out there.

So no bad feelings here. Just worries.
 
Pardalis said:
That's the conclusion you have had from day one, since the very first post you have made here two years ago. :rolleyes:
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As you might remember, I started off in the conspiracy world. There probably is no better place to feel more alienated about what some people think than there. Plus I still didn't find a better explanation. Do you have an answer why Paul's Issue weren't pushed much more since the economy isn't an issue that could be ignored any longer - especially concerning the candidates.

But unfortunately, the Candidates aren't pressed to lay out their plans. That's a major lack within the MSMedia. And a big disadvantage for the voters - or the American people in general to get the necessary information to make a wise decision for their countries future.

But for some reasons it doesn't seem to matter. Another irrationality.
 
Oliver said:
Do you have an answer why Paul's Issue weren't pushed much more since the economy isn't an issue that could be ignored any longer - especially concerning the candidates.
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He's an insignificant candidate.

But unfortunately, the Candidates aren't pressed to lay out their plans.
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They each have their own websites, and countless blogs. Feel free to check them out.

That's a major lack within the MSMedia. And a big disadvantage for the voters - or the American people in general to get the necessary information to make a wise decision for their countries future.

But for some reasons it doesn't seem to matter. Another irrationality.
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What's irrational is that you don't apply this to your own country, you don't even vote.
 
What's irrational is that you don't apply this to your own country, you don't even vote.
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Which is a major reason why I have no respect for Oliver whatsoever.
He seems obssesed with the United States,but ignores the politics of his own country.
It is really ironic that he is telling America all the time to clean up it's own back yard.......
 
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Oliver said:
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All those News today actually proof once again what Dr. Ron "Nut" is nationally saying since he's in the presidential Race.
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Nonsense, he may agree with sane economists about the diagnoses of the current problems with the US economy (or at least agree with them that there is one), but that in no way validates his cure, in the same way that a homeopath agreeing that a cancer patient has cancer in no way supports the theory or practise of homeopathic oncology.
 
Foolmewunz said:
Give it up, please OneShot.

Topic is closed.

Time to move on.
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If you are done making up arguments with me inside your head. Then trying to explain to me how the claims i never made are wrong i will gladly move on.

P.S. Stop saying things to save face..."Give it up, please OneShot."

That quote should have read a little more along the lines of....
"Im sorry OneShot, I leaped into a discussion assuming you were saying something you werent and totally blew things out of proportion. I misread and misquoted and i apologize"
 
brodski said:
Nonsense, he may agree with sane economists about the diagnoses of the current problems with the US economy (or at least agree with them that there is one), but that in no way validates his cure, in the same way that a homeopath agreeing that a cancer patient has cancer in no way supports the theory or practise of homeopathic oncology.
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Since i am pretty sure you will get this wrong i must ask.
What is Ron Pauls supposed cure for this Economic problem?

Im guessing by your post you clearly know what it is.

I know WildCat thought he knew what he was talking about, but clearly was wrong.
 
brodski said:
Nonsense, he may agree with sane economists about the diagnoses of the current problems with the US economy (or at least agree with them that there is one), but that in no way validates his cure, in the same way that a homeopath agreeing that a cancer patient has cancer in no way supports the theory or practise of homeopathic oncology.
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Well, if you're pointing towards the "return to the gold-standard" here, I have to admit that it initially sounded pretty outlandish to me as well. But listening a little bit closer about this topic of him, he actually is in favor of backing the currency by gold, not replacing the dollar with gold. And funny enough: It makes sense in light of the declining dollar and the Fed's senseless efforts to cure the "cancer" by printing more money and cutting interes rates - which seems to be one major source of the cancer:

Fed bailout makes matters worse

So what do you think about the other Candidates successfully avoiding to address the cancer and presenting at least something for it's cure - other than worsing it by absurd financial projects like staying in Iraq for decades and universal Healthcare for everyone.

We have universal healthcare over here - and I can tell you that it requires a balanced budget to keep it running. According to what I read about the economy, either there have to be drastic cuts or the economy will suffer even faster and more.

So while Dr. Paul is "nutting" about cut spending all the time, what is your favorite Candidates plan to do anything? Or for that matter, any other Candidate than Paul ... and no, pretending that "I will safe the Economy, period", isn't really convincing in any way - especially taking their pet-projects into account.

And while we're at it: Where the heck is the Media flaming the Candidates with questions regarding those issues? (I guess the Media knows that it would be embarrassing for everyone to confront those three Candidates with such questions - or is there a reason to be confident in any of them nevertheless? :confused:).
 
Why is there a "Ron Paul" thread at this point in the proceedings? Perhaps Oliver could just start his own thread, to focus on his own ideas of what the US should do.

I'm considering supporting a Kwame Kilpatrick + Elliot Spitzer ticket (or perhaps Spitzer and Kilpatrick; take your pick). If it doesn't work we'll export them to Germany.

ETA: purpose: liven up German politics. They sound really booooooooooooooring.
 
Or better still, a thread in which we comment on German politics being very careful not to actually to learn anything about them.
 
Oliver said:
Well, if you're pointing towards the "return to the gold-standard" here, I have to admit that it initially sounded pretty outlandish to me as well. But listening a little bit closer about this topic of him, he actually is in favor of backing the currency by gold, not replacing the dollar with gold. And funny enough: It makes sense in light of the declining dollar and the Fed's senseless efforts to cure the "cancer" by printing more money and cutting interes rates - which seems to be one major source of the cancer:
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First of all, there simply isn't enough gold in the entire world to back every dollar in existence. And the government itself has only about $235 billion in gold. So the gold standard simply isn't going to happen and cannot happen.

Secondly, the Fed does not print money.
 
dudalb said:
Or better still, a thread in which we comment on German politics being very careful not to actually to learn anything about them.
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What a funny remark. Are you watching the House debate about the budget right now?

I am:

us.cnn.com >>> Video [Livestream] >>> House discusses budget
 
Oliver said:
And while we're at it: Where the heck is the Media flaming the Candidates with questions regarding those issues? (I guess the Media knows that it would be embarrassing for everyone to confront those three Candidates with such questions - or is there a reason to be confident in any of them nevertheless? :confused:).
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The "Media" is not one entity with one single mind, Oliver.
 
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