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The "Carlos Swett affair"
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subgenius said:
The ones who looked the profesional 3/4 video tape at the tv stations , yes.
The persons that had access to the real unfaked video , yes.
The people that focus in the facts that show the video , yes.
But I never went to "ufologists" or yellow media. I don't trust those cults or any cult.
I presented to Randi. And he is still on silence, about their own answer (Harter's answer).
There are more than 9000 links and different interpretations of the phenomenon and Randi is still on silence.
But he always write about "similar" interpretations, pictures or videos. Not about this one.
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S&S
So if people in power have seen and agreed with your findings why aren't they doing anything about it?
This forum isn't as powerful as them.
Are you pursuing them to do something as much as you are harassing everyone here? If not, why not?
This forum isn't as powerful as them.
Are you pursuing them to do something as much as you are harassing everyone here? If not, why not?
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subgenius said:
I guess I'll have to post them again but there are like a zillion shots of the same event from different angles, many very clear and close-up at the hole the object is supposed to be passing through and of course there is nothing there.
Why would anyone make a fuss over something that is so incredibly easy to disprove.
I sure would miss hearing Carlos whine about it though, hehe. Makes my day.
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subgenius said:
Hi subgenius:
Why should I ?
But on the other hand I recurred to JREF, and all I got is a poor answer based in a poor method. And The silence of Randi about their own answer (Harter's word).
This forum was the one who named me in the first post of this thread. Is even in the title of the thread.
That's the reason I am giving you your own medicine.
What evidence do you have that I am wrong?
A digitized version of a charlatan?
The poor answer of Harter?
The silence of Randi?
Or the insults of a cult?
Or just because "most" of the members say so?
Thanks,
S&S
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It's better than the evidence you've provided to back up your assertion that the pictures are faked - which is exactly none.
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davidhorman said:
You are the one who "beleives " in that faked version.
Is your problem , not mine.
I just did it different, also Harter.
Thanks,
S&S
Since you have made a very important discovery and there are those who could do something about it, as opposed to this forum which can do nothing except give you attention.S&S said:
Care to provide the evidence of all these important people that agree with you?
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subgenius said:
Hi subgenius:
First I must recognize that you changed your just insulting attitude , that's good for the entire forum. I appreciate that from you.
I did what I had to do according to my possibilities.
If you can define what is for you "important people" I will help you.
If you think Randi is an important people (I did to) , well I gave him the evidences too.
But Harter in his name did a poor analysis based in a poor method (viewing an unknow link on the internet) and gave me a poor answer with mistakes on it and with not a single word that my application was not according to the rules or invalid.
And you know Randi is still on silence and refuses to put (as Bidlack wrote) Harter's answer in his week's commentaries.
Thanks,
S&S
Since you continue to refuse to answer this simple question, and you are the insulting one guilty of everything you accuse others of, you now have the distinction of being the only one on my ignore list.S&S said:
Too bad you don't know when you're not welcome, or when to leave.
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subgenius said:
A simple question where is not a definition of your own of what important people is?
Comon, you can put that definition.
I told you I send it to Randi . He is still on silence.
Giving up?
Thanks,
S&S
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Carlos,
I actually do think I understand your frustration. Certainly continue to post here as often as you like. But in addition, you might consider taking this important story to the larger world, if it is as significant as you believe.
As we seemingly refuse to give your position a fair hearing, and as you believe it to be worldly in its importance, I can only assume that you will immediately provide the global media listed below with your evidence. If you are correct, we will soon look very, very foolish on a global scale. Go for it.
I provide the following direct contacts for you:
New York Times:
e-mail [email protected] or leave a message at 1-888-NYT-NEWS.
Washington Post
writers and editors
Newsweek
http://www.msnbc.com/modules/newsweek/info/nwinfo_contactus.asp
National Enquirer
homepage with contacts
Art Bell
According to the website, Bell retired, but this link will get you the new guy doing his show.
http://www.coasttocoastam.com/info/contactus.html
Ecuadorian Newspapers
http://www.thelocalpapers.com/global/31/Ecuador.html
60 Minutes
Click the "feedback" link at the bottom of: http://www.cbsnews.com/sections/60minutes/main3415.shtml
The BBC
http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/shared/bsp/hi/services/feedback/html/default.stm
Univision
Spanish language network http://www.univision.com/content/content.jhtml?cid=72228
El Comercio
- Ecuador's daily news source for over 90+ years. http://www.elcomercio.com/
I actually do think I understand your frustration. Certainly continue to post here as often as you like. But in addition, you might consider taking this important story to the larger world, if it is as significant as you believe.
As we seemingly refuse to give your position a fair hearing, and as you believe it to be worldly in its importance, I can only assume that you will immediately provide the global media listed below with your evidence. If you are correct, we will soon look very, very foolish on a global scale. Go for it.
I provide the following direct contacts for you:
New York Times:
e-mail [email protected] or leave a message at 1-888-NYT-NEWS.
Washington Post
writers and editors
Newsweek
http://www.msnbc.com/modules/newsweek/info/nwinfo_contactus.asp
National Enquirer
homepage with contacts
Art Bell
According to the website, Bell retired, but this link will get you the new guy doing his show.
http://www.coasttocoastam.com/info/contactus.html
Ecuadorian Newspapers
http://www.thelocalpapers.com/global/31/Ecuador.html
60 Minutes
Click the "feedback" link at the bottom of: http://www.cbsnews.com/sections/60minutes/main3415.shtml
The BBC
http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/shared/bsp/hi/services/feedback/html/default.stm
Univision
Spanish language network http://www.univision.com/content/content.jhtml?cid=72228
El Comercio
- Ecuador's daily news source for over 90+ years. http://www.elcomercio.com/
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hal bidlack said:
Hi Bidlack :
I undersatnd your frustration to face a simple fact.
You made (JREF) a terrible mistake in your answer to my application.
You gave me a poor excuse why Randi refuses to put Harter's answer in his week's commentaries (is he ashame of that answer?)
Your foundation is the one who should debunk charlatans.
The media is open to charlatans as Sylvia and Uri. You go and trust them.
Face the truth Bidlack. You are the ones (JREF) that are on silence.
Just put Harter's answer and will see who lied or made the mistakes.
Are you following me? You are welcome.
Thanks,
S&S
Edited to put my sig.
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S&S said:
JREF's response was correct. There is no large dark object passing through or even near either tower and the evidence of the fact is overwheliming.
Anyone wishing to view the video in question can visit my website Creeps who exploit tragedies.
S&S said:
Now we get to the real motive. You want your name in the commentary and you will say or do anything to get it. Check out my video of the day.
There is no large dark object passing through or even near either tower.
S&S said:
Creeps who exploit tragedies.
S&S said:
Now go to Creeps who exploit tragedies. and view the frames one by one and judge for yourself.
I will make a copy of the video available for any who wish to verify it's authenticity. Carlos refuses to make his available.
To order a copy yourself the information in on my site.
I will be posting addition versions I have collect via the web for your comparisons.
<font size="+1">Video Clip of the Day</font>
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<A HREF="http://home.austin.rr.com/bluemonk/movies/secondcrash010911.ram">
secondcrash010911.ram</A> streaming
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This is a very clear shot of the hole this object is supposedly exiting. It is very clear that there is nothing passing through
this building when the second plane hits.
I'll be posting new videos daily.
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Be sure to check out my new web-site Creeps who exploit tragedies.
The Blue Monk Adopt a Video Program: Since I have recently lost access to my free server space I am looking for homes for some of my videos so I can make them available online. I now have over 60 from various angles and broadcasts and they all show that there is no large dark object passing through or even near either tower. I am scrounging up bits and pieces of server space for this project but any help would be appreciated.
Face it, a couple of megs in donated web space can greatly enhance your laughing at Carlos experience.
Blue Monk:
"Now we get to the real motive. You want your name in the commentary and you will say or do anything to get it."
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Nice job on the website, you're doing a great service to us all.
Its hard to respond to some of that crap without giving them credence.
JK does the same thing when he takes every tragedy (DC snipers, Uniz of Ariz mass murder, Shuttle crash, etc.) and uses it to "prove" his delusional theories.
You should attempt to avoid giving our friend any publicity if at all possible.
There are only two possibilities at the point: he's trying to destroy the forum/he's mentally ill. They are not mutually exclusive.
Edited to add:
I wouldn't waste too much bandwidth on the vids, as no one agrees with him. I support your effort to expose those who exploit tragedy.
"Now we get to the real motive. You want your name in the commentary and you will say or do anything to get it."
________________
Nice job on the website, you're doing a great service to us all.
Its hard to respond to some of that crap without giving them credence.
JK does the same thing when he takes every tragedy (DC snipers, Uniz of Ariz mass murder, Shuttle crash, etc.) and uses it to "prove" his delusional theories.
You should attempt to avoid giving our friend any publicity if at all possible.
There are only two possibilities at the point: he's trying to destroy the forum/he's mentally ill. They are not mutually exclusive.
Edited to add:
I wouldn't waste too much bandwidth on the vids, as no one agrees with him. I support your effort to expose those who exploit tragedy.
Again with the Blue Monk Tricked Videos (TM)
Blue Monk you are too motivated for the likes of Carlos who really only wants to complain about how mean old Harter did him dirt and how Randi is ignoring him. Such a sad pathetic existence. Why Carlos doesn't say to hell with all this and resume his art career is beyond me. There are bridges to decorate, with birds I noticed, and pools to mosaic. Still Carlos languishes here in Woo woo hell. Somehow he thinks he will accomplish something but everytime he comes close he shoots himself in the foot with his arrogant patois.
What can possibly be the motives of Mr Swett? He has a career. He has a family which appears to be quite a nice one. He has at least one friend a lawyer who seems to be devoted to him. He seems to be quite charming with the ladies, the ones that don't view him as a total kook anyway. With all this going he insteads spends his time trying to pretend he has arguments that no one can refute despite being repeatedly trounced and pretending that he never started insulting anyone (that liar Harter doesn't count) before they insulted him.
He also seems keen to point out that here is a thread with his name on it as if that gives a special reason for belonging here. He never seems to pay any mind to the fact that his friend Latinijral, also known as Is_James_Randi_a_Liar is the one who brought up his case in a very detrimental manner during a chat session. How was Patricio to know that by mentioning his name he would stick around like an evil spirit haunting JREF?
Well it's just too friggin bad cause he ain't a gettin what's here for. And all the complaining and bitchin and moaning in the world isn't going to gain him anything. But it's his life and his time and if he wants to spend it tilting at windmills like some virtual Cyberspace Don Quixote who are we to say nay?
Blue Monk you are too motivated for the likes of Carlos who really only wants to complain about how mean old Harter did him dirt and how Randi is ignoring him. Such a sad pathetic existence. Why Carlos doesn't say to hell with all this and resume his art career is beyond me. There are bridges to decorate, with birds I noticed, and pools to mosaic. Still Carlos languishes here in Woo woo hell. Somehow he thinks he will accomplish something but everytime he comes close he shoots himself in the foot with his arrogant patois.
What can possibly be the motives of Mr Swett? He has a career. He has a family which appears to be quite a nice one. He has at least one friend a lawyer who seems to be devoted to him. He seems to be quite charming with the ladies, the ones that don't view him as a total kook anyway. With all this going he insteads spends his time trying to pretend he has arguments that no one can refute despite being repeatedly trounced and pretending that he never started insulting anyone (that liar Harter doesn't count) before they insulted him.
He also seems keen to point out that here is a thread with his name on it as if that gives a special reason for belonging here. He never seems to pay any mind to the fact that his friend Latinijral, also known as Is_James_Randi_a_Liar is the one who brought up his case in a very detrimental manner during a chat session. How was Patricio to know that by mentioning his name he would stick around like an evil spirit haunting JREF?
Well it's just too friggin bad cause he ain't a gettin what's here for. And all the complaining and bitchin and moaning in the world isn't going to gain him anything. But it's his life and his time and if he wants to spend it tilting at windmills like some virtual Cyberspace Don Quixote who are we to say nay?
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subgenius said:
Evidence of an absence of arguments. The Cult's style.
Thanks,
S&S
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