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The Boy Who Lived Before

seunosewa

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This boy claims to have a memory of his previous life, and the details he supplied have been matched with a real house and its dead occupants:
LITTLE Cameron Macaulay was a typical six-year-old, always talking about his mum and family. He liked to draw pictures of his home too — a long single-storey, white house standing in a bay.
But it sent shivers down his mum’s spine — because Cameron said it was somewhere they had never been, 160 miles away from where they lived.
And he said the mother he was talking about was his “old mum.”
www thesun co uk /article/0,,2001290023-2006410683.html

What do you think really happened? The only things I can think of are really wild - like the parents being the ones who gave their son the story.
 
Sure the parents may have somehow delivered this information to the child, but I don't think so. My son has had many things happen in his life and he is now 16 years old. My other children have had wierd unexplained things happen to them as well when they were very small, before the age of 4. I think if you look deeply into life you see alot more than just the surface.
 
Sure the parents may have somehow delivered this information to the child, but I don't think so. My son has had many things happen in his life and he is now 16 years old. My other children have had wierd unexplained things happen to them as well when they were very small, before the age of 4. I think if you look deeply into life you see alot more than just the surface.

Why don't you think the parents delivered the information to the child? Do you accept that it's more likely he got the information from TV, books, his parents etc than that he's the reincarnation of another person who has retained their memories?

And are you aware of similar cases where it has turned out that the parent has been telling the child what to say?
 
This boy claims to have a memory of his previous life, and the details he supplied have been matched with a real house and its dead occupants:

www thesun co uk /article/0,,2001290023-2006410683.html

What do you think really happened? The only things I can think of are really wild - like the parents being the ones who gave their son the story.

The review of Stevenson's book is useful. There are several cases recorded, and only a few have been well investigated. One was a case of incredible detailed knowledge about a girl who had died 60 years previously in a foreign country. I mean: it was impossible for this to be a coincidence.

It was eventually concluded that the babysitter who lived nextdoor had accidentally planted the idea, rather than the parents.

The story is that the babysitter had talked about her childhood friend who had passed away when the babysitter was a girl (the babysitter was in her 70s). The child then fantasized about being this girl, and the story got misinterpreted by the parents as a 'memory'.



Kids make up a lot of stuff for play-acting, and often, it's based on something they saw on TV. I agree that the TV-exposure explanation is consistent with this story.
 
I had a boyfriend once who was a hockey player (goalie) and played with Wayne Gretzkey here in Toronto years ago when Wayne came from Brantford, ONtario. I hadn't spoke of him much since I had got married and had children. I never spoke much of hockey after his passing either. We never watched hockey in my house, as to me every goalie was a reminder of the boyfriend I had lost. When I was pregnant with my second son Justin I had gotten out of my bed in the middle of the night because I felt a icy breeze blowing through my house as I slept on the second floor. I checked the front door it was closed. I went back to bed and had this dream I would never forget. I was in my nightgown in the dream, the same one as I went to bed in and I was with my dead boyfriend and he was driving me somewhere and it was fall. He was speaking and the whole time in my dream I was thinking I'm not making this up I don't know what he's going to say next. We got to this place and there hooded monks in brown robes (like a shrine) and a chruch on a hill, one of the monks said to me, "what are you doing here, your not supposed to be here." I was then called to the other side of the road by my boyfriend and he was up on a hill, I said, "how'd you get up there." He said, "think it and you will be up here". I did. He threw a blanket down on the ground and wanted me to stay with him. He said some things to me about what he could do and where he'd been and then he asked me to stay with him. I told him I couldn't that I was pregnant and that I had to go back. Something woke me and I was sweating and terrified and went into the bed that my husband had fallen asleep in with my oldest son while putting him to bed. I lay atop of his back and just lay there numb and scared. It was so weird that I remember it like it was yesterday. My son was born, three weeks early, and he was just beautiful. When he was 11 months old I found him infront of the full lenght mirror with an old skating helmet on, a hockey card in his hand, and a broken hockey stick my older son had found at the park. There was no reference to hockey in my house at all as no one spoke of it or watched it. This little baby was standing there in his diaper looking at the hockey card and looking at the mirror shaking his head "yes" up and down and the helmet three sizes too big going back and forth. He had put himself together. I just laughed. Then he started crawling up to the TV and changing it till he found hockey. I didn't think much of it. By the time he was 3 he was screaming at parks if there were boys playing hockey and pulling at me to take him there. Nope. So I began taking him to the rink and he wouldn't speak much before the age of 3 and he began to talk only at the rink. I started bringing him often. His speach improved. He was a natural, people started telling me and they kept saying that he had a gift and that he skated like the wind. When he was 7 I enrolled him (finally) in hockey. He became a new kid. He ate, slept and breathed hockey. He went from the lowest level house league to the "A" division REP level in one season. When he was 10 he heard some songs in the change room at hockey and one day asked me to record them for him....all of my dead boyfriends favorite songs from 1979-1980. My boyfriend had a mural of Jimmy Hendrix on the hood of the car that he tragically died in and my son phoned me at work and said, "mom there's this song..."excuse me while I kiss the sky (Hendrix-Purple Haze), get that for me" I almost fell off my chair, as that was the theme of the mural on the hook of the car. There were a bunch of these songs that just crushed me even listening to them, but I recorded them for him anyways. Well the last time I ever drempt of my boyfriend, since that time long ago, was once last year when my son, now 16 playing AA hockey in Mississauga, Ontario, CAnada (one of the most gifted skaters in his age group) was headed head first on his back toward the boards in a game and all the mom's including me gasped untill he turned himself suddenly. I went to sleep that night and drempt I was sitting with my son in a waiting room and my boyfriend came from around the corner and sat down beside him and looked at me and said, "did you think I would ever let something happen to "our son" on that ice. How creepy was that? I was freaked out and then I woke up. Now, that I can see me either conjuring up in my brain after the many similarities over the years, but there's always this...hmmmm....Well my son is the second born child of three boys, born in the month of June and a Gemini just like my boyfriend was, maybe birth order has alot to do with all of the similarities? I just discount the similarities but I have said to him just recently that, " I think you have a special gift given to you before you were even born." He agrees. How he got the way that he is beyond me but he is gifted and not "reincarnated" but purely driven and passionate. My two other sons are equally amazing at what they choose to do. This kid just in a reminder to me of a different time and space.
 

Please don't take this personally... I'm not one to pick on a person for their writing style... but that post was very difficult to read. Two hits of the "Return" key, and you can start a new paragraph.
 
I had a boyfriend once ...
Huge amount of detailed information there - you could save some effort.

So called 'coincidences' and 'strange things' are a surprisingly common natural part of life, and experiencing them does tend to make one feel 'special', but this is really just the brain doing its normal thing.
The 'coincidences' and 'strange things' can usually all be explained by normal (mundane) processes, but even for those that cannot easily be explained, it is still not nessesary to invent a supernatural cause.

You already have a plethoria of plausible possible causes - there is no need to invent some more less plausible ones.
Unfortunately it is true that the mundane cause is unlikely to make you feel so special.
 
I had a boyfriend once who was a hockey player (goalie) and played with Wayne Gretzkey...
Just so you know, a big mass of words without paragraph breaks is hard on the eyes. Many people - myself included - won't even bother trying to parse it out.
 
I too have an uncanny story like this.

When my daughter was little, her favorite way of wearing her hair was two pigtails high on her head. She always wanted her hair ties to be different colors.

She was always climbing and jumping around, so much so that we nicknamed her "our little monkey".

We used to have a cat named Dweezil. I often caught my daughter chasing this poor cat all around a small shrubbery* in our yard.

As a child, she always enjoyed playing in boxes. It was so weird. We would buy all these elaborate large toys for her for the holidays, and she almost *always* ended up enjoying playing in the box more.

I was playing house with my daughter once, and she got all dressed up in blue, red and orange and said ... "Call me Jack".

She *always* enjoyed hiding and then popping out and startling people. The more startled a person was, the more she would laugh.

She used to enjoy playing "store". When we played, I would ask her "How much for this spool of thread?" She would always quickly reply, "One penny!"

She once took a bite out of a cherry tomato and then put it on her nose. She thought it was funny and wore it that way for a long time.

Eventually I just could not ignore these freaky, unexplainable occurances any more, and I knew I had to admit what I knew was true.

The only possible answer that adequately explains this is that my daughter is the reincarnated soul of my favorite childhood playmate.

I've attached a picture..

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Meg




*it was a mulberry bush
 

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When he was 11 months old I found him infront of the full lenght mirror with an old skating helmet on, a hockey card in his hand, and a broken hockey stick my older son had found at the park. There was no reference to hockey in my house at all as no one spoke of it or watched it. This little baby was standing there in his diaper looking at the hockey card and looking at the mirror shaking his head "yes" up and down and the helmet three sizes too big going back and forth. He had put himself together. I just laughed. Then he started crawling up to the TV and changing it till he found hockey.
My bolding. Your child had an older brother, who would have been told that the broken stick he bought home was a hockey stick. The helmet and the hockey card were where both your sons could find them. It's obvious to me that both your sons could have played with the hockey stuff before, without you knowing (or remembering) it and that your eldest son would have talked about hockey within the hearing of his brother, at the very least. He could have even showed the hockey stuff to Little Brother and encouraged him to try it on.
You had a TV in the house. There is no way your son could have avoided hearing/seeing something about hockey - on the sports news, in the ads.

Your youngest child could only have avoided any exposure at all to the idea of hockey if you had lived hundreds of miles from a sports stadium in a house without TV, without radio, without magazines and newpapers, without any visitors who talked about hockey, without any friends who knew about hockey, and also if you had homeshooled him with strictly regulated hockeyless bookreading.
 
Your youngest child could only have avoided any exposure at all to the idea of hockey if you had lived hundreds of miles from a sports stadium in a house without TV, without radio, without magazines and newpapers, without any visitors who talked about hockey, without any friends who knew about hockey, and also if you had homeshooled him with strictly regulated hockeyless bookreading.

I would go further and say that if she'd moved to Europe for some reason, she wouldn't have given it a second thought if her youngest son had stood in front of the mirror wearing a soccer jersey and holding a deflated soccer ball the eldest son had found in the park. Had suddenly switched the channel until he found a soccer match on TV, had been found to be a "natural" at soccer, etc...

The only one giving it special significance in this case is the one who's experiencing the coincidence. To everyone else, that boy and his preference for hockey are probably considered as normal as would every other kid his age ...
 
When he was 11 months old I found him infront of the full lenght mirror with an old skating helmet on, a hockey card in his hand, and a broken hockey stick my older son had found at the park. There was no reference to hockey in my house at all as no one spoke of it or watched it.

As a Brit (hockey isn't big here), I don't know what a hockey card is. But it's clear you had one in the house. So it wasn't quite a hockey-free house.

Again, forgive my ignorance about what a hockey card is, but would it have on it a picture of a hockey-player?

I don't find it at all unusual that your son should have been gifted at hockey. Some children just turn out to be gifted at various things. Even if reincarnation were sometimes an explanation of being gifted at x, it couldn't always be so, otherwise how could anyone have been the first person to be gifted at x? And since reincarnation can't be used to explain such cases (that is, since some cases of giftedness must have another explanation), it seems to me that there's simply no warrant at all for appealing to it in any case.
 
IWhen he was 11 months old I found him infront of the full lenght mirror with an old skating helmet on, a hockey card in his hand, and a broken hockey stick my older son had found at the park. There was no reference to hockey in my house at all as no one spoke of it or watched it.

You live in Canada, you have a television, in your house was an old skating helmet, a hockey card and a hockey stick and you think that there were no references to hockey in your house?

I'm not trying to make fun of you, but it appears that the far more likely explanation is coincidence.

And, if you don't want to hear that over and over again, I would suggest that you are in the wrong forum.
 
If you look deeply into a bottle, things get even more interesting than that.

Anyway, I don't mean to make fun of Infinite like that, but I think she just experienced an amazing fluke of coincidence. And one that would never have registered if her ex-boyfriend had not been a hockey player for instance. Obviously the only one making this into more than it really is, is she herself. The only one (perhaps subconsciously) looking for meaning in things related to hockey is her. If it hadn't been for the ex-boyfriend, she'd never have given the events that took place in front of the mirror a second thought. So anything that can be tied into the ex-boyfriend suddenly becomes significant to her. It's coincidence, sure, but it's very selective memory. I wonder if she realizes this ...
 
Infinite, I'm a bit wierded out by your deciding to never watch hockey again because an ex-boyfriend who was a goalie passed away.
 
yes, infinite sounds like a very passionate person, so i wouldnt want to be cruel to her, but in addition to what others have pointed out, i would add a couple of other things. one, the fact that you had this vivid dream that you never forgot indicates such a strong mental attachment that i would expect you to look for connections to this person you lost- no offense, it is human nature. a highschool girlfriend gave me a cat and after we broke up, i would miss her occassionally and i would sort of think she was seeing me thru the cat's eyes. in other words, there was a longing and i filled it to some extent with this (seemingly plausible at the time) fantasy.
second, purple haze is one of the most staggeringly popular and familiar rock songs of all times. i was in high school in the early nineties and i loved it and asked my parents to buy me the cd it was on. if it had been some extremely obscure band that had a song that wasnt even considered a one-hit-wonder, i wouldve had a little more reason to consider something more than a simple coincidence (and even then, i would look for "contamination" first- for example, maybe he heard you humming the tune or you had looked longingly at the cover in a record store and he noticed it, if even subconsciously). we look for the most logical explanations and go from there.
on a final note- i have a personal account. i had a friend who moved back to germany and her favorite number is 222...she said i would think of her when i saw the number, and as soon as she said that- i twas freaky...i would see it all the time...2:22 pm, 222 miles on the odometer, etc. but i know this is because of the power of suggestion. i look at the clock probably 50 times a day, but i dont think much of it until i see that number.
 
I had a boyfriend once who was a hockey player (goalie) and played with Wayne Gretzkey here in Toronto years ago when Wayne came from Brantford, ONtario. I hadn't spoke of him much since I had got married and had children. I never spoke much of hockey after his passing either. We never watched hockey in my house, as to me every goalie was a reminder of the boyfriend I had lost. When I was pregnant with my second son Justin I had gotten out of my bed in the middle of the night because I felt a icy breeze blowing through my house as I slept on the second floor. I checked the front door it was closed. I went back to bed and had this dream I would never forget. I was in my nightgown in the dream, the same one as I went to bed in and I was with my dead boyfriend and he was driving me somewhere and it was fall. He was speaking and the whole time in my dream I was thinking I'm not making this up I don't know what he's going to say next. We got to this place and there hooded monks in brown robes (like a shrine) and a chruch on a hill, one of the monks said to me, "what are you doing here, your not supposed to be here." I was then called to the other side of the road by my boyfriend and he was up on a hill, I said, "how'd you get up there." He said, "think it and you will be up here". I did. He threw a blanket down on the ground and wanted me to stay with him. He said some things to me about what he could do and where he'd been and then he asked me to stay with him. I told him I couldn't that I was pregnant and that I had to go back. Something woke me and I was sweating and terrified and went into the bed that my husband had fallen asleep in with my oldest son while putting him to bed. I lay atop of his back and just lay there numb and scared. It was so weird that I remember it like it was yesterday. My son was born, three weeks early, and he was just beautiful. When he was 11 months old I found him infront of the full lenght mirror with an old skating helmet on, a hockey card in his hand, and a broken hockey stick my older son had found at the park. There was no reference to hockey in my house at all as no one spoke of it or watched it. This little baby was standing there in his diaper looking at the hockey card and looking at the mirror shaking his head "yes" up and down and the helmet three sizes too big going back and forth. He had put himself together. I just laughed. Then he started crawling up to the TV and changing it till he found hockey. I didn't think much of it. By the time he was 3 he was screaming at parks if there were boys playing hockey and pulling at me to take him there. Nope. So I began taking him to the rink and he wouldn't speak much before the age of 3 and he began to talk only at the rink. I started bringing him often. His speach improved. He was a natural, people started telling me and they kept saying that he had a gift and that he skated like the wind. When he was 7 I enrolled him (finally) in hockey. He became a new kid. He ate, slept and breathed hockey. He went from the lowest level house league to the "A" division REP level in one season. When he was 10 he heard some songs in the change room at hockey and one day asked me to record them for him....all of my dead boyfriends favorite songs from 1979-1980. My boyfriend had a mural of Jimmy Hendrix on the hood of the car that he tragically died in and my son phoned me at work and said, "mom there's this song..."excuse me while I kiss the sky (Hendrix-Purple Haze), get that for me" I almost fell off my chair, as that was the theme of the mural on the hook of the car. There were a bunch of these songs that just crushed me even listening to them, but I recorded them for him anyways. Well the last time I ever drempt of my boyfriend, since that time long ago, was once last year when my son, now 16 playing AA hockey in Mississauga, Ontario, CAnada (one of the most gifted skaters in his age group) was headed head first on his back toward the boards in a game and all the mom's including me gasped untill he turned himself suddenly. I went to sleep that night and drempt I was sitting with my son in a waiting room and my boyfriend came from around the corner and sat down beside him and looked at me and said, "did you think I would ever let something happen to "our son" on that ice. How creepy was that? I was freaked out and then I woke up. Now, that I can see me either conjuring up in my brain after the many similarities over the years, but there's always this...hmmmm....Well my son is the second born child of three boys, born in the month of June and a Gemini just like my boyfriend was, maybe birth order has alot to do with all of the similarities? I just discount the similarities but I have said to him just recently that, " I think you have a special gift given to you before you were even born." He agrees. How he got the way that he is beyond me but he is gifted and not "reincarnated" but purely driven and passionate. My two other sons are equally amazing at what they choose to do. This kid just in a reminder to me of a different time and space.

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