The Biden Presidency

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bruto said:
Long post snipped here, but, though I wish Joe well, and hope he has a peaceful and successful term, I would not be very upset if we ended up with President Kamala Harris.
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Personally I'm curious about what will happen in 2024 (assuming Biden makes it through the first term).

Will he be a 1-and-done president (after defeating Stubby McBonespurs in 2020, deciding that its time for someone younger to take over)? Or given the fact that the democrats NEED to put together back-to-back terms in the white house (to continue undoing Republican damage), will he think that it is too risky to give up the presidency and risk losing the advantage that comes along with being an incumbent?

(Yeah, I know its way too early to be worrying about such things when we haven't even reached the mid-terms yet.)
 
Segnosaur said:
Personally I'm curious about what will happen in 2024 (assuming Biden makes it through the first term).

Will he be a 1-and-done president (after defeating Stubby McBonespurs in 2020, deciding that its time for someone younger to take over)? Or given the fact that the democrats NEED to put together back-to-back terms in the white house (to continue undoing Republican damage), will he think that it is too risky to give up the presidency and risk losing the advantage that comes along with being an incumbent?

(Yeah, I know its way too early to be worrying about such things when we haven't even reached the mid-terms yet.)
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My own guess is that he won't run again owing to age, and that Harris is being groomed as the successor, her current position close to incumbency. But who knows?
 
bruto said:
Personally I'm curious about what will happen in 2024 (assuming Biden makes it through the first term).

Will he be a 1-and-done president (after defeating Stubby McBonespurs in 2020, deciding that its time for someone younger to take over)? Or given the fact that the democrats NEED to put together back-to-back terms in the white house (to continue undoing Republican damage), will he think that it is too risky to give up the presidency and risk losing the advantage that comes along with being an incumbent?
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My own guess is that he won't run again owing to age, and that Harris is being groomed as the successor, her current position close to incumbency. But who knows?
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Unfortunately we don't really have much in the way of recent history with 1-term presidents, since the only examples we have in recent history were ones that actually ran for a second term and failed, as opposed to voluntarily dropping out of politics.

Being Vice President does certainly boost a politician's profile. I would like to think it would give Harris an edge in a potential 2024 election, but admittedly it does make me nervous that she would be seen as "not an incumbent".
 
wareyin said:
Right, we're less than 2 months into Biden's presidency so why hasn't he solved the yuge humanitarian crisis Trump left him at the border, overhauled the entire DHS manual down to which way their shoes should be laced, vaccinated the entire population of the US willing or not, gotten a $50/hr minimum wage, and cured cancer yet?
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You left off closing Gitmo and withdrawing all US troops from Iraq and Afghanistan.
 
wareyin said:
Right, we're less than 2 months into Biden's presidency so why hasn't he solved the yuge humanitarian crisis Trump left him at the border, overhauled the entire DHS manual down to which way their shoes should be laced, vaccinated the entire population of the US willing or not, gotten a $50/hr minimum wage, and cured cancer yet?
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These crises happen on their own time. It sucks that Biden has these problems so early in his term, but failing to deal with them in a timely manner is a failure.

DHS agents are using known poison gas on protest crowds. Children are being imprisoned under inhumane conditions, and, ready or not, it's happening right now and demands a solution.

What are you suggesting should be the response? "Sorry kids, I know you're getting stacked like sardines in disgusting ICE prisons, but this isn't a great time for us to deal with that whole mess. Try again in 6 months."
 
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It makes sense if either new facilities are being built or something is being done to prevent so many from entering the USA in the first place so we wouldn't need to have some place to house them. But that hasn't been reported and Biden hasn't said so. Maybe it is already happening for all I know, but Biden should tell us so instead of just counting on the principle of "it's OK if you're a Democrat".
 
Segnosaur said:
Unfortunately we don't really have much in the way of recent history with 1-term presidents, since the only examples we have in recent history were ones that actually ran for a second term and failed, as opposed to voluntarily dropping out of politics.

Being Vice President does certainly boost a politician's profile. I would like to think it would give Harris an edge in a potential 2024 election, but admittedly it does make me nervous that she would be seen as "not an incumbent".
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LBJ served out the final year of JFK's term and served one full term. He was eligible to serve and chose not to run for a second.
 
SuburbanTurkey said:
These crises happen on their own time. It sucks that Biden has these problems so early in his term, but failing to deal with them in a timely manner is a failure.

DHS agents are using known poison gas on protest crowds. Children are being imprisoned under inhumane conditions, and, ready or not, it's happening right now and demands a solution.

What are you suggesting should be the response? "Sorry kids, I know you're getting stacked like sardines in disgusting ICE prisons, but this isn't a great time for us to deal with that whole mess. Try again in 6 months."
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What do you propose the Biden administration do to deal with the backlog of locked up children Trump left him that they aren't currently doing?

I know there is some animosity towards the man, but you have to realize that big projects take time to do. Biden can't wave a magic wand and just fix everything, and complaining every 2 days that he hasn't solved a mess that Trump spent the last 4 years making as bad as he possibly could can't be good for your blood pressure.
 
acbytesla said:
Unfortunately we don't really have much in the way of recent history with 1-term presidents, since the only examples we have in recent history were ones that actually ran for a second term and failed, as opposed to voluntarily dropping out of politics.

Being Vice President does certainly boost a politician's profile. I would like to think it would give Harris an edge in a potential 2024 election, but admittedly it does make me nervous that she would be seen as "not an incumbent".
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LBJ served out the final year of JFK's term and served one full term. He was eligible to serve and chose not to run for a second.
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Well, I did use the fudge term "recent history". I was thinking of cases post-nixon (when our current political alignments started to take shape.)

And it is true... LBJ could have run for a second term... But, he didn't, and Nixon took the white house. Which doesn't exactly bode well for Biden dropping out and Harris taking over.

Although admittedly there are a lot of other factors... it might have been seen (incorrectly) as LBJs 3rd term, his personal popularity seemed to be low, etc.
 
wareyin said:
What do you propose the Biden administration do to deal with the backlog of locked up children Trump left him that they aren't currently doing?

I know there is some animosity towards the man, but you have to realize that big projects take time to do. Biden can't wave a magic wand and just fix everything, and complaining every 2 days that he hasn't solved a mess that Trump spent the last 4 years making as bad as he possibly could can't be good for your blood pressure.
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Not only does Biden have to deal with a backlog of separated children (thanks to Stubby McBonespurs), but they also have to deal with things like Covid-19 (which reduces capacity in existing shelters for housing separated children) and an influx of cases from liberalized immigration policies.

It really seems to be a perfect storm of sorts.
 
Letting in that influx of new cases was probably a mistake. A camp on the Mexican side where they wait to come in might not be much better, but it wouldn't be ours.

(...Well, that plus the fact that I'm against immigration in general just for the sake of controlling population growth, but, even for those who think letting everybody in is just fine, any change in that direction could have waited until we were better prepared.)
 
Delvo said:
Letting in that influx of new cases was probably a mistake. A camp on the Mexican side where they wait to come in might not be much better, but it wouldn't be ours.

(...Well, that plus the fact that I'm against immigration in general just for the sake of controlling population growth, but, even for those who think letting everybody in is just fine, any change in that direction could have waited until we were better prepared.)
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Ah so sending the jews aboard the St Loius back to Hitler was the right decision, because it wasn't our fault if they got sent to the gas chambers.

There has been a surge of unaccompanied minors again, but who cares if they die as a result of American policy as long as it does not happen on American soil. Just like with the St Loius.
 
Delvo said:
Letting in that influx of new cases was probably a mistake. A camp on the Mexican side where they wait to come in might not be much better, but it wouldn't be ours.

(...Well, that plus the fact that I'm against immigration in general just for the sake of controlling population growth, but, even for those who think letting everybody in is just fine, any change in that direction could have waited until we were better prepared.)
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Unless you want to sentence old people to starve to death, the nation requires an influx of young workers to support retirees. Population growth equals economic growth. The countries that limit immigration, especially including Japan and Russia, are facing economic stagnation, if not decline, as their populations age. Despite right-wing claims, nobody supports open borders. Obama deported more people than any of his predecessors. But generally speaking, immigration is not only good, but essential.
 
Segnosaur said:
Well, I did use the fudge term "recent history". I was thinking of cases post-nixon (when our current political alignments started to take shape.)

And it is true... LBJ could have run for a second term... But, he didn't, and Nixon took the white house. Which doesn't exactly bode well for Biden dropping out and Harris taking over.

Although admittedly there are a lot of other factors... it might have been seen (incorrectly) as LBJs 3rd term, his personal popularity seemed to be low, etc.
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And yet a 43% approval rating in March doesn't necessarily equal a losing election in November. I don't believe you can't learn anything from the political situation. The analogy to today just doesn't work. This was in the middle of the Vietnam war. And LBJ couldn't have timed his announcement any worse. Humphrey was likely to lose the nomination until Bobby was killed.
 
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Bob001 said:
Unless you want to sentence old people to starve to death, the nation requires an influx of young workers to support retirees. Population growth equals economic growth. The countries that limit immigration, especially including Japan and Russia, are facing economic stagnation, if not decline, as their populations age. Despite right-wing claims, nobody supports open borders. Obama deported more people than any of his predecessors. But generally speaking, immigration is not only good, but essential.
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SuburbanTurkey said:
These crises happen on their own time. It sucks that Biden has these problems so early in his term, but failing to deal with them in a timely manner is a failure.

DHS agents are using known poison gas on protest crowds. Children are being imprisoned under inhumane conditions, and, ready or not, it's happening right now and demands a solution.

What are you suggesting should be the response? "Sorry kids, I know you're getting stacked like sardines in disgusting ICE prisons, but this isn't a great time for us to deal with that whole mess. Try again in 6 months."
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What do you call "a timely manner"?

Crooks and Liars: Psaki Bomb: Peter Doocy's Racist Migrant Fixation Smacked Down Hard
"You've been telling migrants from right there for a month now -- all the way back to Feb. 10 -- that now is not the time to come," Doocy said. "But they are coming in bigger numbers every day so do you have a messaging problem?"

"I would say that in the last administration we had a morality problem," Psaki observed, "and children were being pulled from the arms of their parents and kids were being sent back on a treacherous journey and that's not the approach of this administration."
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You go girl!
 
Delvo said:
It makes sense if either new facilities are being built or something is being done to prevent so many from entering the USA in the first place so we wouldn't need to have some place to house them. But that hasn't been reported and Biden hasn't said so. Maybe it is already happening for all I know, but Biden should tell us so instead of just counting on the principle of "it's OK if you're a Democrat".
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I recommend you watch a rerun of the relevant press conference last week. Or peruse the news media's reporting on the WH response (minus Fox News of course).
 
Delvo said:
Letting in that influx of new cases was probably a mistake. A camp on the Mexican side where they wait to come in might not be much better, but it wouldn't be ours.

(...Well, that plus the fact that I'm against immigration in general just for the sake of controlling population growth, but, even for those who think letting everybody in is just fine, any change in that direction could have waited until we were better prepared.)
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Where's your source on this so we can see the details?
 
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