The Biden Presidency

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Silly Green Monkey said:
Oh nonsense! I've heard, and possibly from the same person who said that Trump only wanted to restore the nation's faith in our election system, that Trump never took vacations! Sure, he may have gone golfing two or three times, but one of them was with a foreign leader he was negotiating with, so it counts as work!

This is the kind of no-information voter that forms the core of the GOP. They're not stupid, it's a question of trust. They trust their news sources, the same sources tell them to fear all others (and brown people, and 'the government', and probably the children too) so they don't accept any other sources.
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Well, who wouldn't trust Tucker Carlson to tell us the truth?

Oh, his own lawyers successfully argued in court that he is not 'stating actual facts' on his program. My bad.
 
Horatius said:
As a follow-up to this, I'll note this story I just saw:

Lawyers have found the parents of 105 separated migrant children in past month

Any attempt to make Biden look like Trump over this issue is entirely partisan ********.
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I expect Biden to do a much better job than Trump on this. Well, many, many things, but this too.

But, man, it's such a mess, like many, many things, and due to Trump's tendency to kick the can down the road, he's going to take some heat no matter what.
 
BREAKING via @laraseligman


The U.S. has carried out an airstrike on a structure connected to an Iran-backed militia in Syria, following three separate rocket attacks against U.S. forces in Iraq, according to a defense official.

President Biden ordered the strike.
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https://twitter.com/AndrewDesiderio/status/1365087377644007428

It's nice to know that, in these times of extreme division, the bipartisan desire to fight the forever wars is as strong as ever.
 
Neera Tanden fanatics are engaged in an online harassment campaign against a journalist that covered Tanden in an unflattering light, including a lot of openly racist abuse.

The Washington Post on Thursday denounced online abuse that targeted one of its reporters after a photo of her speaking with Sen. Lisa Murkowski (R-Alaska) was shared on Twitter.

The attacks on White House correspondent Seung Min Kim came after Huffington Post reporter Igor Bobic on Wednesday shared a photo of Kim showing Murkowski a tweet from Neera Tanden, President Biden's nominee for Office of Management and Budget director, in which Tanden criticized Murkowski.
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WAPO Editor said:
“What she did was basic journalism,” Steven Ginsberg, national editor for the newspaper, said in a statement shared by Kristine Coratti Kelly, the paper's vice president of communications.

“No one should have to deal with the hate that has been directed at Seung Min. She did her job and she did it well, like she always does. We could not be prouder that she is our colleague and a reporter for The Washington Post,” Ginsberg said.
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https://thehill.com/homenews/media/540583-washington-post-denounces-abuse-of-reporter

I recall the conduct of a politician's online mob was something of particular importance in the recent past. Surely Tanden won't get a pass for the awful conduct of her unhinged pack of freakish followers.

Tanden has a reputation as being particularly combative on social media and seems to have amassed a fan base that views such belligerency as a positive.

Tanden should be dumped from consideration, she's needlessly divisive.
 
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SuburbanTurkey said:
Neera Tanden fanatics are engaged in an online harassment campaign against a journalist that covered Tanden in an unflattering light, including a lot of openly racist abuse.





https://thehill.com/homenews/media/540583-washington-post-denounces-abuse-of-reporter

I recall the conduct of a politician's online mob was something of particular importance in the recent past. Surely Tanden won't get a pass for the awful conduct of her unhinged pack of freakish followers.

Tanden has a reputation as being particularly combative on social media and seems to have amassed a fan base that views such belligerency as a positive.

Tanden should be dumped from consideration, she's needlessly divisive.
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But she's the only nominee being held to that standard. I'm not okay with old white men holding a woman of color to a standard they don't follow themselves. It's sexist and racist and needs to stop.
 
gnome said:
Having a tough time with this one. I want to oppose war. What might be the appropriate response to rocket attacks, though?
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The President should not be unilaterally escalating conflict with Iran. I know it's been normalized that the President can arbitrarily wage war on his own authority, but this really is the kind of thing that Congress should have to sign off on.

Endless war in the middle east is not popular and I suspect there would be a more restrained approach if Congress had to publicly debate the issue.
 
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SuburbanTurkey said:
Neera Tanden fanatics...
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I find it difficult to believe she has them. I'd actually expect that they're really "a Democrat President can do no wrong no matter what he does" fanatics. There are plenty of those.

Delvo said:
Bizarre... Axios has a report that apparently Biden and his people thought they were doing what the left would want with the appointment of... Neera Tanden... because she's... female and not quite 100% white. :eek:

My immediate reaction is that there's no way that's true because they can't actually be that stupid and politically unaware. But then, what could they be trying to hide with that as the cover story?
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(old quote from the Long-Long-Ago, back when her name was first floated for this job)

SuburbanTurkey said:
Tanden should be dumped from consideration, she's needlessly divisive.
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I can reach no other conclusion but that the divisiveness is the point. Biden never misses an opportunity to demonstrate his disdain for the left. It's something he has in common with Trump, but he's just less boarish & uncouth about it.

SuburbanTurkey said:
I recall the conduct of a politician's online mob was something of particular importance in the recent past. Surely Tanden won't get a pass for the awful conduct of her unhinged pack of freakish followers.
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Craig4 said:
But she's the only nominee being held to that standard.
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The standard is unfair & irrational and I'd be happy if everybody dumped it, but I read that as not a serious suggestion but sarcasm highlighting how important some of Biden's defenders acted like it was, back when they were pretending Bernie's supporters acted this way (nevermind the fact that Biden was already the one with by far the worst average behavior from his supporters even back then, and this accusation was a part of it).

gnome said:
Having a tough time with this one. I want to oppose war. What might be the appropriate response to rocket attacks, though?
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Think bigger. What might be the appropriate response to the fact that even having our people in range of their rockets at all is entirely pointless for us, doing no good for them either, unwelcome over there, and unwanted by the voters here?

The only thing that letting them have the opportunity to shoot at us in the first place accomplishes is giving the pro-war people something to say we must refuse to "surrender to" by leaving.
 
Tim Kaine goes after Biden administration for the Syria strikes last night.

"Offensive military action without congressional approval is not constitutional absent extraordinary circumstances."
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https://twitter.com/samstein/status/1365317898730889218

Retaliatory attacks are an escalation that hasn't been approved by Congress. The decades of Presidents unilaterally waging war in the Middle East have been nothing but a disaster.
 
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...and they're shockingly not touching tax rates either now.

I don't think they're ineffective. I just don't believe their goals are what they've somehow gotten most off their voters to think they are.
 
Delvo said:
I find it difficult to believe she has them. I'd actually expect that they're really "a Democrat President can do no wrong no matter what he does" fanatics. There are plenty of those.

(old quote from the Long-Long-Ago, back when her name was first floated for this job)

I can reach no other conclusion but that the divisiveness is the point. Biden never misses an opportunity to demonstrate his disdain for the left. It's something he has in common with Trump, but he's just less boarish & uncouth about it.

The standard is unfair & irrational and I'd be happy if everybody dumped it, but I read that as not a serious suggestion but sarcasm highlighting how important some of Biden's defenders acted like it was, back when they were pretending Bernie's supporters acted this way (nevermind the fact that Biden was already the one with by far the worst average behavior from his supporters even back then, and this accusation was a part of it).

Think bigger. What might be the appropriate response to the fact that even having our people in range of their rockets at all is entirely pointless for us, doing no good for them either, unwelcome over there, and unwanted by the voters here?

The only thing that letting them have the opportunity to shoot at us in the first place accomplishes is giving the pro-war people something to say we must refuse to "surrender to" by leaving.
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I hate to say this and have no substantive proof of this. But I think it is possible that she is a pawn sacrifice. The GOP politicians want or need a scalp to justify their jobs. Show they are putting up the fight. So you give them a scalp.
 
Delvo said:
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I can reach no other conclusion but that the divisiveness is the point. Biden never misses an opportunity to demonstrate his disdain for the left. It's something he has in common with Trump, but he's just less boarish & uncouth about it.
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What's your idea of "left?" By any rational measure, Biden is far to the left of Obama or H. Clinton. The fact that he's not a Sanders acolyte reflects the basic fact that the voting public doesn't place itself very far to the left of center: the Republicans picked up House seats in 2020, and the Senate is split 50/50, and that's largely a fluke that could easily change in 2022. What do you think Biden should -- or could -- do?
 
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Delvo said:
Biden never misses an opportunity to demonstrate his disdain for the left.
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That's quite a claim. I've never seen him express such disdain but maybe I just don't have the right eyeballs. I'm sure you can give me a couple of examples for my enlightenment.
 
Silly Green Monkey said:
What, there were strikes in Syria recently? I didn't see anything in Current Events. What for?
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To poke at a link...

Biden orders airstrikes in Syria, retaliating against Iran-backed militias
Pentagon press secretary John Kirby said Friday the bombing caused “casualties” but said it was too early to say how many fighters were killed or wounded.

President Joe Biden on Thursday ordered airstrikes on buildings in Syria that the Pentagon said were used by Iranian-backed militias, in retaliation for rocket attacks on U.S. targets in neighboring Iraq.
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Bob001 said:
What's your idea of "left?" By any rational measure, Biden is far to the left of Obama or H. Clinton. The fact that he's not a Sanders acolyte reflects the basic fact that the voting public doesn't place itself very far to the left of center: the Republicans picked up House seats in 2020, and the Senate is split 50/50, and that's largely a fluke that could easily change in 2022. What do you think Biden should -- or could -- do?
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What are you basing this assessment of Biden as being further left than previous neoliberal democrats? What has he done as President, or in his prior political career, that supports this?

In the 2008, the selection of Biden as the VP was framed as a more conservative element to balance out Obama's perceived progressiveness.
 
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