Cont: The Biden Presidency (3)

[Stacyhs]

The complaints of 'attacks against progressives' from those who constantly disparage and attack centrists/moderates/Boomers has just forced me to order yet another irony meter. My irony meter insurance company is going to cancel me at this rate.

 

[lobosrul5]

Lad, some of what you consider "centrist" would have Adolf Hitler looking at you strangely and saying "I think you've gone a bit far".

Hey, as long as you indulge in baseless hyperbole, I think I should be allowed to use some that has some actual relation to reality.

Wow... now thats some nutty hyperbole... and I've been in an argument or 3 with dudalb over politics. But saying Hitler would judge him as being right of center is bizzaro-world crazy talk. Unless maybe its not being a vegetarian, or he thinks Jews should be allowed to own guns???

 

[dirtywick]

I feel like putting this here, after that last attempt to pretend victimhood over Hunter Biden's laptop.

Hunter Biden’s ‘laptop’ looks more and more like a politically motivated criminal scheme

The story is based on EmptyWheel's round up of a bunch of stuff. A pretty short summation, though, can be -

i agree, the media was very careful about saying some of the contents of the laptop were verified. personally i find the idea that he dropped all that off on a laptop with some maga dude that's friends with giuliani and they somehow found it on a shelf in the back of his shop it and just happened to check it out and find all these dick pics.

it's just too stupid

 

[Aridas]

Of relevance to this thread...

Biden widens war on junk fees, says US consumers tired of being treated as 'suckers'

Really short summation?

The White House on Wednesday expanded its war on junk fees to the rental housing market, announced a crackdown on price-fixing in food and agricultural markets, and unveiled draft merger guidelines as part of an ongoing push to aid U.S. consumers.

 

[Aridas]

Regarding the Supreme Court and Democratic Party efforts relating to it and Republican response...

The Senate Judiciary Committee considered Supreme Court ethics reform legislation Thursday, passing the bill in committee on a party-line vote. The legislation is bitterly opposed by Republicans even though it simply requires the Supreme Court to abide by the same ethics restrictions that every other federal judge—and all elected officials—have to live by. Republicans on the panel were so worked up about this you’d have thought the committee was considering impeaching all of the conservative justices rather than saying that they should probably disclose when a super-wealthy friend takes them around the world for free on his luxury yacht.

Even that relatively milquetoast effort, badly needed as it is, is pretty certain to get nowhere under Republican filibustering. Republicans, proving that the GOP is the party of brazen corruption, yet again. Much as I'd love stronger legislation to actually fix the Supreme Court, I don't see it having any chance of actually happening while the GOP has sufficient power to prevent it.

 

[Stacyhs]

I tried listening to some of the GOP senators on the SC ethics legislation but I could only take it for so long. Sen. J. Kennedy's high pitched voice and thick southern drawl made me wince like I was biting into tin foil.

 

[Suddenly]

Centrists are conservatives. Not big-C Conservatives, but conservatives. They long for their peak in the mid-nineties, when being vaguely anti-drug and anti-abortion was in vogue. When calling yourself "tough on crime" wasn't immediately recognized as racism. When neoliberalism still seemed like a pretty good idea. That was their time. They don't want to fix things now, they want to go back to the way things were then. They're still grasping for the middle, seeking bipartisan support with literal fascists, only because that's all they've ever done so why change now. That's conservatism. What remains is to argue where the line should be drawn. But that's haggling over price.

AKA "Blue MAGA"

 

[Beelzebuddy]

AKA "Blue MAGA"

I wouldn't go that far. Their hearts are still in the right place.

 

[Suddenly]

I wouldn't go that far. Their hearts are still in the right place.

At most it's not as stupid and destructive. It's still a fundamentally regressive mindset with the same problems. Just to a lesser degree.

MAGAs are for the most part convinced that things used to be better, just that their idea of when and why is extremely hazy. Something like what Leave it to Beaver would have looked like if the Confederacy won the civil war. A hodgepodge of 50's social revisionism, gilded age economic policy, and agrarian libertarianism.

Whereas Blue MAGA is a little more focused and a lot less dated.

 

[Stacyhs]

Originally Posted by Beelzebuddy View Post
Centrists are conservatives. Not big-C Conservatives, but conservatives. They long for their peak in the mid-nineties, when being vaguely anti-drug and anti-abortion was in vogue. When calling yourself "tough on crime" wasn't immediately recognized as racism. When neoliberalism still seemed like a pretty good idea. That was their time. They don't want to fix things now, they want to go back to the way things were then. They're still grasping for the middle, seeking bipartisan support with literal fascists, only because that's all they've ever done so why change now. That's conservatism. What remains is to argue where the line should be drawn. But that's haggling over price.

AKA "Blue MAGA"

At most it's not as stupid and destructive. It's still a fundamentally regressive mindset with the same problems. Just to a lesser degree.

MAGAs are for the most part convinced that things used to be better, just that their idea of when and why is extremely hazy. Something like what Leave it to Beaver would have looked like if the Confederacy won the civil war. A hodgepodge of 50's social revisionism, gilded age economic policy, and agrarian libertarianism.

Whereas Blue MAGA is a little more focused and a lot less dated.

Beelzebuddy's fascinating and fanciful description is not "AKA 'Blue MAGA' ", and neither is yours.

From the Urban Dictionary:

Blue MAGA
A pejorative term that attempts to create a false equivalency between Joe Biden’s and Donald Trump’s supporters and/or policies.

Often used by Green Party voters to shame Democratic voters for voting against the “lesser of two evils” instead of voting for a third party candidate that has exactly zero chance of winning in the general election and thereby benefits the Republican candidate.

'Blue MAGA' first appeared on blue baseball caps being sold before the 2020 election playing off Trump's red MAGA hats, only the blue ones said "Made America Great Already".

 

[Skeptic Ginger]

The GOP is protecting its SC advantage. They fear certain justices will be forced to recuse.

 

[theprestige]

Beelzebuddy's fascinating and fanciful description is not "AKA 'Blue MAGA' ", and neither is yours.

From the Urban Dictionary:



'Blue MAGA' first appeared on blue baseball caps being sold before the 2020 election playing off Trump's red MAGA hats, only the blue ones said "Made America Great Already".

LOL. Anyone can put anything they want on Urban Dictionary. You might as well cite reddit or 4chan or YouTube comments.

 

[Sherkeu]

i agree, the media was very careful about saying some of the contents of the laptop were verified. personally i find the idea that he dropped all that off on a laptop with some maga dude that's friends with giuliani and they somehow found it on a shelf in the back of his shop it and just happened to check it out and find all these dick pics.

it's just too stupid

I was also surprised he has the mind to even get to the place to fix it, or want to. Just get a new one!!
Drugs are bad but people get days of their brain back in between.
Then they forget again. And then hookers.
That is Hunter (at that time) it seems.

The FBI had it for a long time (a year?) before any of it was released. Did you not know that?

But those things arent Biden and this thread is about his presidency right? Anyone?

 

[Stacyhs]

LOL. Anyone can put anything they want on Urban Dictionary. You might as well cite reddit or 4chan or YouTube comments.

Then why don't you tell us what Blue MAGA 'really' means? Quote and cite your source. Good luck because I have found only the same or very similar definitions to what I post. On the other hand, I can't find anything even close to what Beelzbuddy and Suddenly wrote.

Here's what I can find:

What is Blue MAGA?

Now, a new term is circulating on social media that attempts to equate supporters of President Joe Biden to supporters of Donald Trump. Blue MAGA suggests that certain political sects on the left can be just as blindly faithful to their political leaders as some people on the right. This attempt to equate the two sides has left the internet bitterly divided, as some think the label is unfair or untrue.

Lots of "anti-Blue MAGA hats" tweets stating we don't need another "cult"...IOW: extremism similar to MAGA.

This also supports what I previously posted.

 

[shemp]

These filthy Commies must be puppets of George Soros! Everyone knows Biden is destroying the American economy!

Morgan Stanley credits Bidenomics for ‘much stronger’ than expected GDP growth

WASHINGTON — Morgan Stanley is crediting President Joe Biden’s economic policies with driving an unexpected surge in the U.S. economy that is so significant that the bank was forced to make a “sizable upward revision” to its estimates for U.S. gross domestic product.

Biden’s Infrastructure Investment and Jobs Act is “driving a boom in large-scale infrastructure,” wrote Ellen Zentner, chief U.S. economist for Morgan Stanley, in a research note released Thursday. In addition to infrastructure, “manufacturing construction has shown broad strength,” she wrote.

As a result of these unexpected swells, Morgan Stanley now projects 1.9% GDP growth for the first half of this year. That’s nearly four times higher than the bank’s previous forecast of 0.5%.

“The economy in the first half of the year is growing much stronger than we had anticipated, putting a more comfortable cushion under our long-held soft landing view,” Zentner wrote.

The analysts also doubled their original estimate for GDP growth in the fourth quarter, to 1.3% from 0.6%. Looking into next year, they raised their forecast for real GDP in 2024 by a tenth of a percent, to 1.4%.

“The narrative behind the numbers tells the story of industrial strength in the U.S,” Zentner wrote.

But of course, the idiot public still thinks the economy is ****.

The latest CNBC All-America Economic Survey, released Thursday, found that just 37% of respondents approved of Biden’s handling of the economy, while 58% disapproved. Only 20% of Americans agreed that the economy was excellent or good, while a whopping 79% said it was just fair or poor, CNBC’s poll found.

 

[Roger Ramjets]

These filthy Commies must be puppets of George Soros! Everyone knows Biden is destroying the American economy!

No, that's not it. You see, 'Blue MAGA' Biden is simply propping up an economy that favors the rich.

But of course, the idiot public still thinks the economy is ****.

Why would they think otherwise when the news media is constantly telling them the economy is ****?

The problem is that good news is generally not news. How often do hear a report of 4,500 aircraft flights today that didn't crash?

Hillary getting curbed stomped by a right wing carnival barker strikes me as pretty damning proof that milquetoast centrism just doesn't bring the voters to the polls like it used to.

Hillary didn't get 'curbed stomped'. Despite decades of smear campaigns, Russian interference, a corrupt FBI and facing a strong progressive challenge from her own party, she still managed to get more votes than Trump - who presented himself as a centrist populist.

But the news media had a big hand in that too. All the constant harping on about 'her emails' and 'baskets of deplorables' etc. took their toll. The biggest complaint against Hillary was that she was 'untrustworthy' and the sad thing is many liberals bought into that lie.

Then there was the theory that she was in thick with bankers and therefore not a true liberal. Well those of us who are not commies know that our economic system needs bankers, and our leaders should be working with them not against them. if you disagree then you are a commie.

 

[Delvo]

The oconomy is **** for the peasants. But they should rejoice in it anyway because it's great for the dukes/earls/barons/counts/princes/lords/whatever.

 

[Beelzebuddy]

Then there was the theory that she was in thick with bankers and therefore not a true liberal. Well those of us who are not commies know that our economic system needs bankers, and our leaders should be working with them not against them. if you disagree then you are a commie.

Well paint my ass red and call me comrade, then.

You remember the financial meltdown back in 2008, right? When all the banks' predatory lending schemes came back to bite them in the ass, and they were going to take the rest of the economy out with them unless we came up with a $800 billion ransom so they could keep their annual bonuses? That was how much our system needed them? You'd have to be downright deluded to come through that without at least an inkling of a notion that the relationship might actually be pretty damn adversarial. The finance industry will behave exactly as badly as they are permitted to, so any working with them beyond "good morning, here's the new list of awful **** you've been doing that you're not allowed to do anymore, have a nice day, go **** yourself" is working against the American public.

And yes, supporting my thesis above, the meltdown can be traced directly to the repeal of Glass-Steagall financial regulations in 1999, so I'm sure you're brimming with justifications for why it was actually the best thing ever and not a colossal mistake. What other bad ideas from that decade should we dredge back up again? The Macarena? Don't Copy That Floppy?

 

[Delphic Oracle]

No, that's not it. You see, 'Blue MAGA' Biden is simply propping up an economy that favors the rich.



Why would they think otherwise when the news media is constantly telling them the economy is ****?



The problem is that good news is generally not news. How often do hear a report of 4,500 aircraft flights today that didn't crash?



Hillary didn't get 'curbed stomped'. Despite decades of smear campaigns, Russian interference, a corrupt FBI and facing a strong progressive challenge from her own party, she still managed to get more votes than Trump - who presented himself as a centrist populist.



But the news media had a big hand in that too. All the constant harping on about 'her emails' and 'baskets of deplorables' etc. took their toll. The biggest complaint against Hillary was that she was 'untrustworthy' and the sad thing is many liberals bought into that lie.



Then there was the theory that she was in thick with bankers and therefore not a true liberal. Well those of us who are not commies know that our economic system needs bankers, and our leaders should be working with them not against them. if you disagree then you are a commie.

It started with the typical progressive irritation with neoliberals generally.

What put her 'beyond recovery' to a progressive mind, was her time as SoS. She had to go out and give full-throated support to many of the most egregious sins of our aggressive foreign policy (re: JSOC, drones, never-ending global war on terror, etc).

 

[Stacyhs]

There are members who constantly moan and groan about the 'horrible' Dem centrists and Biden in particular because they aren't as far to the left as these members want. They have the audacity to get things done by not taking the attitude of "It's 100% my way or the highway" which gets no one anywhere. It's criticize, criticize, criticize and paint the bleakest picture possible. Ignore what Biden and the Dems have accomplished and, rarely, when it is acknowledged, it's still somehow not quite good enough.

The oconomy is **** for the peasants. But they should rejoice in it anyway because it's great for the dukes/earls/barons/counts/princes/lords/whatever.

Once again, thanks for proving my point.