Cont: The Biden Presidency (3)

[Gulliver Foyle]

If Sanders is such a great candidate how come he couldn't even win the primary?

Because the democrats aren't even remotely close to being a left wing party, despite being heavily dependent on left wing voters.

 

[Skeptic Ginger]

Because the democrats aren't even remotely close to being a left wing party, despite being heavily dependent on left wing voters.

The thread is about Biden. We've discussed Sanders ad nauseum in other threads. Bump one if you want to go over it all again.

 

[Stacyhs]

Most people stopped believing the talking points that Media parrots some time ago.

A lot of people stopped believing the media just about the time Trump declared in 2016 and began his "Fake News" campaign. Do you remember why he did that? I do: When Lesley Stahl asked him why he attacks the press and calls it 'Fake News' he replied, "You know why I do it? I do it to discredit you all and demean you all so when you write negative stories about me no one will believe you."

And it worked beautifully on the none too bright.

I can say with complete confidence, most judge the Economy according to how far their paycheck goes.

And I can say with equally complete confidence that most people blame whichever party is in power at the time regardless of their actual responsibility. Inflation hit in March 2021, just a couple months after Biden took office so his policies had no time to cause it. The major cause was the massive interruption in supply chains during the pandemic at the same time that consumer spending increased and unemployment fell. It was the Biden admin's action that curbed the inflation which is now down to less than 3%.

Consumer Confidence is increasing:

US Index of Consumer Sentiment is at a current level of 64.40, up from 59.20 last month and up from 50.00 one year ago. This is a change of 8.78% from last month and 28.80% from one year ago.

Noting increases in inflation is a simple trick, stating that we're better off because the rate of increase has declined does not restore consumer prices to pre-Biden costs prior to the record highs.

I noted decreases, not increases. But we ARE better off than we were a year and two years ago and things are still improving. Biden didn't cause the massive inflation, but he IS doing very well at bringing it down to normal rates and that is what his admin should be judged for. But most people are too ignorant and short-sighted to either see that or too partisan to admit it.

I see you just skip right over the very low unemployment rate.

Most everyone is suffering in this economy and though you'll never admit it, you know it.

They would likely have suffered even more if Donald "massive tax cuts to the rich" and "don't raise interest rates because it will hurt the rich" Trump had been re-elected, and though you'll never admit it, you know it.

 

[Stacyhs]

I suppose to some it's best to just bury things that may be seen as questionable by the public.

LOL! No one is 'burying' anything and it has nothing to do with what I wrote regarding who is driving and riding your 'conspiracy train'. But nice try at LOOK, SQUIRREL!

Again, I merely quoted the differing locations of the White House Cocaine being reported by Media outlets. I did not invent these reports or locations, just commented on them. I tend to ask questions when something seems improper. I realize full well the Media lies a bit.

No, you didn't "merely quote the differing locations". You were attempting to push by none too subtle innuendo that it was being covered up because of Hunter Biden. Give me a break.

 

[Stacyhs]

I would argue that when you are spoon fed your news by any Media outlet, you're going to be misinformed. It's strange that US Media has reached a point where one must investigate any story they cover, or don't cover, to be well informed. It wasn't always that way.

I agree. But some media sources are more reliable and trustworthy than others. The least reliable? Right wing sources like Fox, OAN, Newsmax, etc. It wasn't CNN, MSN or other more liberal media sources that were pushing the "rigged, stolen election" lies.

 

[Stacyhs]

1800 people work at the White House and on average 6,000 people visit the White House every day. But the coke has to belong to an Angelino who lives 3,000 miles away?

Yeah, that makes sense.

And wasn't at the WH the weekend it was found or someone who uses the Executive Entrance and made to put his cell phone, etc in tourist cubbies. But, hey, according to one member, Hunter sure looked 'strung out' on the balcony days after it was found!

 

[Stacyhs]

1800 people work at the White House and on average 6,000 people visit the White House every day. But the coke has to belong to an Angelino who lives 3,000 miles away?

Yeah, that makes sense.

And wasn't at the WH the weekend it was found or someone who uses the Executive Entrance and made to put his cell phone, etc in tourist cubbies. But, hey, according to one member, Hunter sure looked 'strung out' on the balcony days after it was found!

I wouldn't be surprised if Hunter has to take drug tests.

 

[Stacyhs]

Because the democrats aren't even remotely close to being a left wing party, despite being heavily dependent on left wing voters.

It depends on what you mean by 'left-wing'; your 'left-wing' appears considerably more left than what most Americans consider 'left'. However, Democrats, as a party, have moved farther left than right as some in this forum have claimed. And as younger Dems tend to be more liberal than older Dems, this trend is expected to continue.

The Democratic Party’s Transformation: More Diverse, Educated, and Liberal but Less Religious

 

[lobosrul5]

That's not what I said at all. I'll simplify it in case it's my fault for not being clear enough:

Biden is doing a great job as POTUS
The Democrats are doing their usual poor job of marketing
Too many people on the left (including left of center) have bought into the promoted narrative Biden is too old and I wish those 'libruls' would recognize when they are buying a false narrative being amplified by the GOP
We have time to market Biden's successes.

As for no better candidate is in the wings, one never knows when the next Obama is going to turn up. Were that the case then I'd evaluate said candidates at that time. Doesn't mean I don't think Biden is a good candidate.

The Democrats have always been bad at selling their candidates. I keep hoping that will change but it's not all Biden's fault.

If this is paraphrasing words you imagine I'm saying, you'd be wrong. I think it goes with the false assumption you posted that I think Biden is only OK.

People in this discussion just can't let go of that 'he's too old' narrative and project it onto people who don't think it's true.



There's plenty of time.

By "summation", I meant a summation of my views. Reading back I see how that looked like me summing up your post. Mea culpa.

And I meant, at present, the odds of there being a candidate I'd prefer over Biden is vanishingly small. Politically, I'm pretty atypical, no one will be a perfect fit, or even close likely. But, Biden has grown on me. Hes much much better than just "not the orange turd".

 

[Galaxie]

If Joe and Hunter are doing lines of coke on the Resolute desk*, that just makes me want to vote for him more. Sorry, not sorry.

*They're not though

 

[Galaxie]

Dupe

 

[acbytesla]

Inflation and the economic success of the Biden administration. Watch Pete Buttigeig deal with the GOP dishonest narrative.

 

[johnny karate]

Inflation and the economic success of the Biden administration. Watch Pete Buttigeig deal with the GOP dishonest narrative.

The logic the interviewer in that clip uses that says you can only accept credit for solving a problem if you created the problem makes him look like a complete moron.

Conservatives are always so weirdly smug while saying some of the dumbest crap.

 

[Stacyhs]

The interviewer was trying desperately to score a partisan "gotcha" but came across as an idiot, instead.

I love Pete B. I hope he eventually runs for Congress and then, possibly, the WH. The screeching of the homophobes would be deafening.

 

[Aridas]

The logic the interviewer in that clip uses that says you can only accept credit for solving a problem if you created the problem makes him look like a complete moron.

Conservatives are always so weirdly smug while saying some of the dumbest crap.

Ehh. I didn't see the interviewer's logic working that way. Rather, it looked like the interviewer was simply bringing up cherry picking misrepresentations of what was being pointed out in the big picture of reality defense and trying to treat the misrepresentations as the actual case that was being made. It looked like a strategy to try to paint the Democrats as acting in exactly the way that the Republicans do and to try to keep the focus on that portrayal, thus both normalizing and minimizing how bad the Republican strategy is, while also keeping the focus on the Democratic Party's supposed dishonesty. Keeping the focus on the Democratic Party then messes with unconscious biases, of course.

 

[Aridas]

The interviewer was trying desperately to score a partisan "gotcha" but came across as an idiot, instead.

I love Pete B. I hope he eventually runs for Congress and then, possibly, the WH. The screeching of the homophobes would be deafening.

Hard to disagree with that. My main objection to Pete when he was running for President was simply his lack of relevant experience, the way that Republicans likely would have exploited that, and the extra problems that would arise from having to deal with the aftermath of their large scale sabotage of the government without relevant experience to fall back upon. He's pretty consistently shown that he's amazing in interviews.

 

[acbytesla]

The interviewer was trying desperately to score a partisan "gotcha" but came across as an idiot, instead.

I love Pete B. I hope he eventually runs for Congress and then, possibly, the WH. The screeching of the homophobes would be deafening.

I would vote for him in a minute.

If he was heterosexual he could easily be elected POTUS. But I'm convinced that a homosexual can not be elected President. Congressman in some districts certainly. Even possibly in his home district. But him winning state wide in Indiana would be impossible.

 

[Stacyhs]

Hard to disagree with that. My main objection to Pete when he was running for President was simply his lack of relevant experience, the way that Republicans likely would have exploited that, and the extra problems that would arise from having to deal with the aftermath of their large scale sabotage of the government without relevant experience to fall back upon. He's pretty consistently shown that he's amazing in interviews.

That was my concern, too. I said I'd prefer he ran for Congress first and get some experience in the Federal government. He's brilliant and always manages to destroy GOP interviewers with facts while remaining polite and unflappable.

 

[Stacyhs]

I would vote for him in a minute.

If he was heterosexual he could easily be elected POTUS. But I'm convinced that a homosexual can not be elected President. Congressman in some districts certainly. Even possibly in his home district. But him winning state wide in Indiana would be impossible.

No red state would vote for him, gay or not. Swing states? He could if the LGBTQ+ community came out for him (pardon the pun) like the Black community did for Obama.

 

[acbytesla]

No red state would vote for him, gay or not. Swing states? He could if the LGBTQ+ community came out for him (pardon the pun) like the Black community did for Obama.

It depends on how red the state is. I'm thoroughly convinced if he wasn’t gay, Pete would be an excellent candidate for President. Sure, it might be better if he had experience in Congress. But I don't think that experience is necessarily all that important. I think it helps if he understands how to deal with Congress. But having to have been one is debatable.

But no Democrat is better at dealing with right wing media.