Cont: The Biden Presidency (3)

[Skeptic Ginger]

It looks from that article that they had ceased that practice within a few years of 2014.

I do hope this doesn't turn out to be left-wing fear mongering or faux outrage in regards to the food industry.

 

[PitPat]

....
But he sounded good. The beginning of the speech seemed awkward and poorly written unless he ad-libbed parts. I'm glad I missed the drama from the Repubs, I can't actually watch most of them.

I don't think you need a political commentator to tell that the point about a minority of Republicans advocating for the sunsetting of Social Security and Medicare wasn't intentional to goad the crazies into yelling. Seemed to work.

I see Harris is his running mate. Anyone know medically/statistically what the odds are that she will be our next interim-President?

The Repubs prophecy will come true, although a bit late . Hmm it could still happen this term though.

What happens if Joe falls ill before the election? Who runs?

Shaky stuff in my opinion.

Yeah Harris is kind of the Achilles Heel for another run. Can't say it's entirely unjustified. This isn't VEEP.

 

[Stacyhs]

Biden led the Republicans straight into his Social Security/Medicare trap.

 

[Skeptic Ginger]

I don't think you need a political commentator to tell that the point about a minority of Republicans advocating for the sunsetting of Social Security and Medicare wasn't intentional to goad the crazies into yelling. Seemed to work....

I'm glad he did it because he got the Republicans to commit in a very public forum to not sunsetting or cutting those programs.

 

[Skeptic Ginger]

Biden led the Republicans straight into his Social Security/Medicare trap. ...

Yes, that ^

 

[thaiboxerken]

I'm glad he did it because he got the Republicans to commit in a very public forum to not sunsetting or cutting those programs.

Unfortunately, Republicans have no shame and will still push to gut those programs. What keeps those programs safe, though, is that they want to find a way to force it to happen under a Democratic POTUS so they can blame the Democrats for it.

 

[Skeptic Ginger]

Unfortunately, Republicans have no shame and will still push to gut those programs. What keeps those programs safe, though, is that they want to find a way to force it to happen under a Democratic POTUS so they can blame the Democrats for it.

Of course they have no shame and they are hypocrites. But this was different, this was the public square for all to see all at once.

 

[Aridas]

To poke at some results of the SOTU...

Multiple surveys show Biden's State of the Union speech helped his cause—by a lot

Example -

CNN's poll found that a 72% majority of Americans reacted positively to Biden's address, with the percentage of viewers who said Biden's policies would move the country in the right direction increasing from 52% before the speech to 71% after the speech.

Pretty much big jumps across the board, in short. Let's hope they're persistent.

Elsewhere...

Democrats have exposed the basis of the House hearing on Twitter as Republican disinformation

Not really news to any actually here, likely, but not a bad reminder. Also, a bit of new information to me -

Rep. Alexandria Ocasio-Cortez brought up the 2019 tweet in which Trump said that she and Reps. Ayanna Pressley, Ilhan Omar, and Rashida Tlaib should “go back and help fix the totally broken and crime-infested places from which they came.” She asked Anika Collier Navaroli, who was at the time the most senior member of Twitter’s content moderation team, how her team had assessed the tweet. The answer was that they found it in violation of Twitter policy—that, in fact, the moderation guidelines specifically prohibited saying that immigrants should “go back where they came from” and similar language. But Navaroli’s judgment was overruled by her supervisor, and not only that, the moderation guidelines were changed to allow that kind of attack against immigrants.

Highlighting mine, of course. Yeah, we've got Twitter bending over backwards and outright changing their rules for Trump on the one side and Republicans trying to claim some grand abuse of things when the Biden team notified Twitter of rule violating dick pics and requested that the appropriate action be taken on the other.

 

[Beelzebuddy]

To poke at some results of the SOTU...

Multiple surveys show Biden's State of the Union speech helped his cause—by a lot

Example -

Pretty much big jumps across the board, in short. Let's hope they're persistent.

Speeches that propose positive action and use rhetorical tricks to make opponents look like fools are better received than telling people to shut up unless they have any better ideas and gesturing vaguely at opponents with an it is what it is. We're really pushing the boundaries of political science here, aren't we?

Now imagine what people will think if he actually accomplishes any of these things, in defiance of those supporters who insist that what America really wants is to continue the Democratic tradition of getting nothing done in a dignified manner.

 

[wareyin]

That wasn’t what you claimed. You claimed she was forced to engage and defend herself from Sanders, which prevented her from addressing the neo-fascists in the hen house.
She could have campaigned in primary states as the presumptive candidate and ignored “sniping from the left.”
They were using Nerf bullets.

I don't recall making any claims about "neo-fascists in the hen house." Can you link them, please?

But, and try to stay with me because this is very very complicated: If Clinton didn't engage Sanders then the butt-hurt from the Bernie Bros about Clinton brushing past Sanders would have been much louder. Therefore, in an attempt to get the childish toy-throwers to not do what they did anyway (elect Trump, the worst Pres ever in case you can't recall) Clinton had to humor Sanders's windmill tilting campaign.

 

[sarge]

This thread is about the Biden Presidency. There are some interesting discussions that might make for threads in their own right but are completely off-topic for this thread. If you wish to continue discussing Clinton’s campaign or employment non-compete agreements and such in detail, start a new thread and I’ll move those posts over.

Replying to this modbox in thread will be off topic  Posted By: sarge

 

[lobosrul5]

Biden was on a roll when I turned it off but I could tell it was partially a campaign speech. "Ironworkers...manufacturing". Nuff said

But he sounded good. The beginning of the speech seemed awkward and poorly written unless he ad-libbed parts. I'm glad I missed the drama from the Repubs, I can't actually watch most of them.

I've been too distracted by the Republicans and other disasters to consider an alternate candidate. I'd expect the Democrats to maybe mention a few themselves. They could have tried.

Is it strange that nobody stepped up? Did anyone?

I think a good strategy would be to announce later and possibly limit some of the Republican bullcrap flung at them due to time constraints. It's not too late. Technically.

My friend's Mom slipped into full on dementia within the past two years and she's mid 70s. So did my step-Mom. We're taking a risk putting all our eggs in the Biden basket.

But if it's Biden he has my vote. Any Democrat would though, as with 2020.

I see Harris is his running mate. Anyone know medically/statistically what the odds are that she will be our next interim-President?
The Repubs prophecy will come true, although a bit late . Hmm it could still happen this term though.

What happens if Joe falls ill before the election? Who runs?

Shaky stuff in my opinion.

Circling back to this:

Actuarial tables show a male who is age 82* can expect to live another 7.4 years. So, the odds of him living another 4 years are about 46%. But, I would consider Biden to be in above average health for his age so that pushes his life expectancy up some. But, there's also the chance that he has a stroke or other serious illness but lives until his term is up, but cannot serve as president. IMO its more likely than not, that if Biden is elected in '24 his VP will serve as President at some point (that is not for certain to be Harris).

*Biden will turn 82 just after the 2024 election

https://www.ssa.gov/oact/STATS/table4c6.html#fn2 <-- from 2019 which is pre-COVID and for which COVID is not likely to be relevant here anyways.

 

[wareyin]

I've been too distracted by the Republicans and other disasters to consider an alternate candidate. I'd expect the Democrats to maybe mention a few themselves. They could have tried.

Is it strange that nobody stepped up? Did anyone?

I think a good strategy would be to announce later and possibly limit some of the Republican bullcrap flung at them due to time constraints. It's not too late. Technically.

Why would any Democratic contender step up at the halfway point of Biden's first term? With the R's running the House and the D's barely having the Senate but only if Manchin and Sinema behave, fracturing the party now will cripple all Dem chances at the Presidency next time.

Far better to let Biden keep on keeping on, and announce your candidacy in the actual campaign season.

 

[johnny karate]

It’s weird to see people still talking about potential replacements for Biden after how hard he dunked on Republicans in his State of the Union address. He quite masterfully made them look like the clowns that they are.

 

[lobosrul5]

It’s weird to see people still talking about potential replacements for Biden after how hard he dunked on Republicans in his State of the Union address. He quite masterfully made them look like the clowns that they are.

More importantly, I remember seeing CNN showing a bump in his support among independent voters after the SOTU. I still think he's too old, I'm still going to vote for him. At this point I don't expect any serious challengers to him in the primaries.

 

[johnny karate]

At this point, I’d be fine with a Weekend At Bernies’s situation for his next term. Maybe if Biden were actually dead, Republicans would stand a chance against him.

 

[Skeptic Ginger]

Speeches that propose positive action and use rhetorical tricks to make opponents look like fools are better received than telling people to shut up unless they have any better ideas and gesturing vaguely at opponents with an it is what it is. We're really pushing the boundaries of political science here, aren't we?

Now imagine what people will think if he actually accomplishes any of these things, in defiance of those supporters who insist that what America really wants is to continue the Democratic tradition of getting nothing done in a dignified manner.

Is this a sour grapes post?

He has already accomplished much of what he wants to continue to accomplish. The infrastructure bill passed and money in their states is being taken credit for by GOP legislators who voted against the bill.

 

[Beelzebuddy]

Is this a sour grapes post?

He has already accomplished much of what he wants to continue to accomplish. The infrastructure bill passed and money in their states is being taken credit for by GOP legislators who voted against the bill.

No, it's a Captain Obvious post.

 

[Skeptic Ginger]

No, it's a Captain Obvious post.

So you don't know about the infrastructure bill then?

Newsweek: Joe Biden's 7 Biggest Achievements During His First Year as President

1) $1.2 trillion bipartisan infrastructure package
One of Biden's flagship victories of the last year was the approval of a $1.2 trillion infrastructure package which drastically increased investment in the national network of bridges and roads, airports, public transport, national broadband internet, as well as waterways and energy systems.

The bipartisan bill was passed by the House in November by 228 votes to 206, with 13 Republicans breaking ranks to join the Democrats in support of the bill. Biden initially released the proposed bill in March, which was first approved by the Senate in August.

Also

2) The $1.9 trillion COVID relief deal
In March, the Biden administration passed a $1.9 trillion coronavirus relief package designed to help the country combat the ongoing COVID pandemic. ...

3) Highest appointment of federal judges since Reagan ...

4) Halt on Federal Executions ...

6) Support for Transgender Service Members ...

7) Reduced unemployment ...

I left out #5, a climate change commitment, because I didn't see a lot of action there. And he continues to fight in the courts for student loan forgiveness, not listed by Newsweek.


So what is your issue? It only matters what else he gets done that he talked about?

 

[Stacyhs]

More importantly, I remember seeing CNN showing a bump in his support among independent voters after the SOTU. I still think he's too old, I'm still going to vote for him. At this point I don't expect any serious challengers to him in the primaries.

That's also my position. Biden has good advisors to help him and he listens to them, unlike Trump who first had SOME decent advisors (albeit a minority) but didn't listen to them and later surrounded himself with nothing but sycophants.