Cont: The behaviour of US police officers - part 2

[Babbylonian]

There is a recent trend of police sharing, on social media, phone videos of incidents in which fellow officers handle a small amount of fentanyl during an arrest or investigation and then moments later appear to suffer a seizure of a type known to be suffered by fentanyl users who have overdosed.

It has been pointed out by many sources however that actual possibility of overdosing on fentanyl because of incidental contact like this is highly negligible - to be generous. As the above-linked article points out, this leaves police faking these incidents or a psychogenic origin as the most likely cause of these incidents.

There's even an episode of "Blue Bloods" that included this nonsense. At the end of the day the videos are probably half fakes (cameras on, let's put on a show) and half gullible morons (cops are generally stupid) having panic attacks because their training is garbage.

 

[jimbob]

Quoting from the mass shooting thread, where it also belongs

Shooting in Denver last night. One dead and five injured.

The kicker?

It was the Denver Police Department. They shot and killed the suspect - but also wounded five bystanders.

DPD officers shoot man in LoDo; 5 others in crowd injured

 

[Darat]

Quoting from the mass shooting thread, where it also belongs

I'm sure those bystanders could have been about to pull a gun on the police so they had no choice.

 

[Suddenly]

... having panic attacks because their training is garbage.

This is the rock upon which the entire church of police misconduct is built.

 

[JoeMorgue]

Here's the kicker and for me where the honest discourse sort of ends.

Which of the two scenarios does police behavior in the United States make more sense?

1. Overall cop culture is based on actually protecting the citizenry
2. Overall cop culture is based on wanting to be in a position of authority and power over the citizenry?

Very little what cops, even "good" cops, do really makes sense under #1 but it makes a LOT of sense under #2.

 

[Suddenly]

Here's the kicker and for me where the honest discourse sort of ends.

Which of the two scenarios does police behavior in the United States make more sense?

1. Overall cop culture is based on actually protecting the citizenry
2. Overall cop culture is based on wanting to be in a position of authority and power over the citizenry?

Very little what cops, even "good" cops, do really makes sense under #1 but it makes a LOT of sense under #2.

It's almost always ultimately #2. The only catch is that a lot of cops think #2 is a necessary condition for #1. Which is a combination of hubris and a natural reaction to the sad fact that when you are in a position of authority you are going to far more often encounter hostility than graciousness. That can work on people who lack the skills to cope. They develop a sense of persecution, a contempt for those they are supposed to serve, etc.

Completely natural thing, really. It's like gravity, except we have a political atmosphere that sees safety rails and parachutes as liberal plots to give away America to the sorry people.

 

[JoeMorgue]

Well yeah at the best, most honest way to define the "problem" is that we are the end of a 40-50 year cycle of the police transforming for law enforcement officers who's job it is to protect a citizenry they are a part of to the idea of cops as pulp novel soldiers on mission behind enemy lines every moment kill or be killed despite as has been point out numerous times "Cop" isn't that statistically dangerous.

 

[Andy_Ross]

Well yeah at the best, most honest way to define the "problem" is that we are the end of a 40-50 year cycle of the police transforming for law enforcement officers who's job it is to protect a citizenry they are a part of to the idea of cops as pulp novel soldiers on mission behind enemy lines every moment kill or be killed despite as has been point out numerous times "Cop" isn't that statistically dangerous.

There's a reason cops don't patrol the areas they live in themselves.

 

[Suddenly]

There's a reason cops don't patrol the areas they live in themselves.

They do here.

Which makes a massive difference. I've been in both and the difference it makes is astounding. We just don't have the scale to "other" people, and the cops are not all that well paid so they really are for the most part policing their peers and their own neighborhoods.

I mean, we have our problems. Most of them are a pretty direct result from the police academy being an absolute dumpster fire.

Community policing is a necessary condition for reasonable law enforcement.

 

[Matthew Best]

Man shot and killed by police while running away.

https://www.cbsnews.com/losangeles/...hile-running-away-from-san-bernardino-police/

Here's the video:

 

[Darat]

"And the police are now working with a public information company to release information..." presumably the tax payers are paying for the PR company?

 

[Suddenly]

"And the police are now working with a public information company to release information..." presumably the tax payers are paying for the PR company?

Of course.

Honestly, I don't have a problem with the police having spokespersons skilled in PR, but that stuff needs to be in house as hiring out creates a layer of plausible deniability when the PR firm starts presenting false or at least massively misleading information.

 

[shemp]

Not quite police but...

Black man awaiting kidney transplant beaten by hospital security

The daughter of a late Black kidney patient wants justice against the security guards who attacked and wrongly detained him, according to the St. Louis Post-Dispatch.

The shocking incident begins with Hughie Robinson heading back to the Barnes-Jewish Hospital in St. Louis after staff told him he left his wallet there. Just a few days before, the patient, who has stage four renal failure, got the good news: he was second in line for a possible kidney transplant.

After retrieving his wallet, Robinson came back to the Kingshighway garage and couldn’t find his Buick. He asked the front desk and even a security guard for help as he continued looking for his vehicle. This reportedly caught the attention of other security guards, who started suspecting he was looking for cars to steal, reporters learned.

That’s when the guards start approaching Robinson and forcefully grabbed his arm, which was tender from a procedure, according to a lawsuit filed last year against Barnes-Jewish. The then 52-year-old man allegedly asked them, ‘What did I do?’ before one of the guards tackled him, the filing claims. Then security allegedly started beating him up — including the guard tasked with helping Robinson search for his Buick.

“Hughie cried out that the guards were hurting him. At least one of the guards responded, ‘Good.’ The guards then forced Hughie into a pair of handcuffs. All of this was on video,” the lawsuit alleges.

The document says Robinson was taken to an interrogation room, where hospital security asked him what he was doing in the garage. The lawsuit also claims an officer used “his forearm to smash Hughie’s head into the wall” while another threatened the kidney patient.

“If one of my officers, or WashU officers see you back on this property again, we’re going to do this whole thing again, cause you ain’t supposed to be here. You cool with that? … Don’t come back.”

Robinson just finished a four-day stay at the hospital when the vicious assault happened, according to reporters, adding that he was drugged and “in a weakened state” when security allegedly beat him up.

Jesus H. ******* Christ on a pogo stick! Who in their right ******* mind would think this is an acceptable thing to do? Oh, that's right, I forgot, half the people in this ******** country of the U.S. of A. are out of their ******* minds!

 

[JoeMorgue]

Who in their right ******* mind would think this is an acceptable thing to do?

Contrarian trolls, that's your cue.

 

[tyr_13]

Of course.

Honestly, I don't have a problem with the police having spokespersons skilled in PR, but that stuff needs to be in house as hiring out creates a layer of plausible deniability when the PR firm starts presenting false or at least massively misleading information.

The 'in house' PR departments of US police have their own problems. Spending millions on copaganda. (The writing of the article isn't the best but at least it has sources, but it's still funny anyone wrote the line 'what I like to call copaganda' as if they came up with the pun.)

 

[bluesjnr]

Contrarian trolls, that's your cue.

Let's wait and see what they say when they turn up. I'm betting that's not gonna happen and you're just, what is it they call it?

 

[Matthew Best]

In a recording obtained by MCIR, a Mississippi law enforcement officer can be heard bragging about killing 13 people in the line of duty, saying, “I shot that n----- 119 times, OK?”

https://www.mississippicir.org/news/mississippi-police-chief-linked-to-racist-recording

 

[Blue Mountain]

In a recording obtained by MCIR, a Mississippi law enforcement officer can be heard bragging about killing 13 people in the line of duty, saying, “I shot that n----- 119 times, OK?”

Mississippi police chief linked to racist recording

As the headline points out, this wasn't just any law enforcement officer; he was the Chief of Police. I say "was," because he was fired yesterday and an interim chief has been appointed.

They guy is white, and was the chief of police for a community that's 85% black.

 

[Planigale]

In a recording obtained by MCIR, a Mississippi law enforcement officer can be heard bragging about killing 13 people in the line of duty, saying, “I shot that n----- 119 times, OK?”

https://www.mississippicir.org/news/mississippi-police-chief-linked-to-racist-recording

But if he had been at Uvalde he would have been a hero!

He described a shootout in a cornfield. “Justified, bro’,” he said. “I shot that n----- 119 times, OK? I saved 67 kids in a school.”

“I chased this motherf---er across the field. I got him. He was DRT [dead right there] in the field. The vehicle was shot 319 times, but he was hit 119 times by me.”

Not the sort of cop to have a school shooter in his sights but do nothing pending permission to open fire!

My guess is all the number are exaggerated.

 

[Aridas]

There's not enough information available in this article to truly form an opinion about actual cause here, but it is quite suspicious.

A North Carolina city hired a Black town manager. Then its entire police force resigned.

I'm not going to just assume racism or hating accountability triggered this mass resignation, but I do think that such is reasonably likely. That's likely also combined with more legitimate underlying grievances, of course, with all that that entails.